Posted on 01/15/2010 9:27:13 AM PST by Hostage
What you told me is what is known to everyonie already. Your info is not appreeciated because it is not relevant to this particular request.
Your opinion about ‘discussion’ is also not needed. The first response in the thread is more of what is needed.
The ambulances at auction will be “bare” not equipped .. I would think a well equipped local clinic to stabilize a patient would be far more beneficial , transport could be by private car or van ,, plenty of Toyota and Mitsu taxi/vans in the cities of Haiti..
IV fluids and antibiotics, trauma care and heart attack drugs and such should be the number one priorities .. for stroke you take a 50/50 chance and give the patient strong coffee and a big glass of rum .. if the stroke is from bleeding they die (no real change in outcome) , if it’s from a blockage they are helped immensely and you buy them time to get to a hospital. Heart rate/by/o2 monitors can be bought cheaply as refurbs ... In US hospitals EVERYTHING has an expiration date on it ,, even things that don’t go bad like bandages and plaster ... your friend should be able to hook up with a hospital chain to get their expired supplies.
This whole thread is absurd. Hostage and his/her friend are being duped by a scammer. Haitian cabinet ministers don't need to chase down random do-gooders by e-mails from yahoo addresses to tap into the supply lines for expired medicines/medical supplies and used ambulances. There are lots of ambulances in Haiti. What the *real* officials are asking for is heavy equipment and fuel, and they're getting it quickly from the US government, UN agencies, and other major donors.
Hostage must think we were born yesterday! ;)
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One ambulance won't help ,, you must use what you have ,, "Godzilla" is right , heavy lift (forklift , loader or dozer , maybe a crane) would help right now ,, ambulances are for next month or next year when the infrastructure is there.. Used ambulances are not equipped and are no more useful than a standard passenger van and there are THOUSANDS OF THEM in Port au Prince RIGHT NOW being used as taxi cabs .. a US made ambulance (usually on Ford or Chevy chassis) would be very difficult for the people there to maintain ... a simple broken accessory belt would leave it sidelined for months.
“even old ones would help to alert and clear traffic in a rush to get a life that hangs in the balance. “
Ambulances can clear traffic? Like the mounds of bodies angry Haitians are blocking the roads with?
Who knew??
Consulate General Of Haiti(407) 897-1262
1616 E Colonial Dr
Orlando, FL 32803
Dear Hostage. Please give this up. Republicans HATE charity. It's the old tale of the grasshopper and the ant. They brought about their own miseable existence, and this is God's punishment on them. Indeed, sitting here in the US We will decide what is best for them. That is what WE CONSERVATIVES do best, is tell other people what is for their own moral good, unlike those liberals who go around just telling everyone else how to live their lives. Moreover we all know about these scammers going around the world wanting old ambulances. I get 100 of these emails every day. You can hide them in Swiss banks, trade them for yachts, and girls love them. Nazis have retired to Uraguay with their own stash of old ambulances. /s/
The response you have gotten here is really quite sick. I keep telling folks that if they want to know how conservatives lost the last election, just look in a mirror. The image staring back here is pretty ugly.
We don’t hate charity, we hate scammers taking advantage of well-intentioned people. The scammer doesn’t want old ambulances, he wants personal information, credit card numbers, bank account numbers, etc, which will be requested as soon as the scammer is sure he has gained his victims’ trust.
Haiti does not have a need for old ambulances scrounged up by individuals who have no clue how to get them there. Right now, Haiti has got large amounts of equipment and supplies waiting to get into the country, but transport logistics are preventing much of it from getting in. The sea port is unusable. Yesterday there were planes circling the Port-au-Prince airport with medical supplies and search dogs teams, and giving up and going back because they weren’t being allowed to land — the runways are crowded with planes full of supplies that can’t be offloaded because there’s no way to transport them to their next destination, because of impassable roads and lack of fuel. Refueling airplanes to get them off the ground again is also a problem, so incoming flights can’t stay in a holding pattern as long as they would at a normally functioning airport, because they need to retain enough to fuel to take off again and get to another airport for refueling for the flight home.
Thanks, that is very helpful. But an ambulance is equipped better than a taxi for stretchers and IV equipment, plus the sirens for clearing foot and vehicle traffic.
Medicine and medical equipment is enroute to Haiti from many sources. But ambulances are also requested.
Thanks again.
I repeat, this thread is for knowledge of old functioning ambulances that can be donated. Nothing more. We don’t need opinions on what someone thinks is important. Everyone knows these things anyways. This is a SPECIFIC request for a SPECIFIC type of medical equipment.
Actually I think some of you smartmouth quippers haven’t been ‘born’ at all.
This is a thread that is requesting specific knowledge of a specific type of medical equipment available for donation.
It looks as if I will have to start a new thread to make that clear, and get rid of the opinionated clutter that you and others have oh so much time to throw at this one.
What a stupid and ugly post! And wrong, to boot.
I’m very conservative, and I’ve given, and will continue to give, generously to relief efforts.
It’s just stupid to waste time and money on something that won’t work.
What you undoubtedly meant to say is that conservatives aren’t into throwing money away but rather into making it do good.
You insulted all of us who have big hearts, open pocketbooks, and good sense.
Shame on you.
Our military will be showing up with vehicles (including ambulances) designed to operate under these conditions. The long term need is sincere, the short term reality is preemptive.
you nailed it! remember the famine in ethiopia in the '80's? at the time the ethiopian foreign minister said, "thank you for all the food, but WHAT WE REALLY NEED is irrigation, and agricultural technology."
sometimes, when you think you are helping someone, you are doing the exact opposite!
hostage should remember the old conservative story about giving a man a fish, or TEACHING him to fish.
The need may be real, but is not practical except on a longer term basis.
The hospital is collapsed
Medical people to man/drive it
Parts and money to maintain it
An ambulance is something needed when rebuilding - just like they will need a lot of other medical equipment to replace that which was lost. As I posted before, this is a worthy project, but the need is in the process of being met by our military and other relief organizations. Haiti will need efforts for longer term recovery which this would fit hand in glove.
“Recently she was approached by the Haitian Minister of Education who desperately pleaded to her for Ambulances of all things. They have only 3 ambulances in all of Haiti.”
It doesn’t smell right.
I knew I smelled something in that “only three ambulances” claim.
“The Haitian Red Cross provides the only ambulance services on Haitian territory.
The ambulance service operates in four departments in the country and has trained 126 ambulance workers, 70 of whom work in Port-au-Prince. In June/July 2005, the Haitian Red Cross worked together with the French Red Cross to retrain the first aid workers. Around 86 first aid workers in Gonaives, Saint Marc, Cite Soleil and Mirebalais and 40 from Port-au-Prince benefited from this training. Today, the ambulance service is functioning thanks to the dedication of Haitian Red Cross volunteers. “
http://www.ifrc.org/docs/news/05/05110103/
126 Ambulance workers for 3 ambulances? Yes, there is a need for ambulances but the claim of only three is disingenuous.
Your response is not appreciated and is entirely false. Please take it somewhere else.
The request was made by a minister on behalf of a region of large population that had only 3 ambulances. I may have misspoke by saying all of Haiti. It does not matter, ambulances are needed, enough said.
Why would you spend the time and waste everyone else’s time on this crap that you think you’re trying to ‘uncover’.
Your opinion and suspicions are out of place here. If you have knowledge of someone or someplace where an old functioning ambulance is not being used and may be available for donation, then please contact me.
Everything else keep it out here.
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