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Ukrainian Genocide by Famine- Glenn Beck Show
Glenn Beck Show ^ | Jan 18,2010 | Glenn Beck

Posted on 01/22/2010 9:49:55 AM PST by toshut

Today, Friday January 22, 2010, at 5 pm, Glenn Beck will be airing a documentary with a significant segment dedicated to highlighting the Ukrainian Famine/Genocide of 1933, also known as The Holodomor. It was planned and carried out by Stalin and the Communist Party of the USSR. An estimated 8-10 million people died as a result of this little known catastrophe because it has been covered up by Communists and their supporters in the media.

This is a must see documentary that will inform you about the horrors of Communism that few Americans are aware of.

A good source of historical information on this tragedy is the book "The Harvest of Sorrow" by Robert Conquest.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: famine; genocide; glennbeck; ukraine

1 posted on 01/22/2010 9:49:56 AM PST by toshut
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To: toshut

About time the rest of history starts to be told.


2 posted on 01/22/2010 9:54:14 AM PST by Borax Queen
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To: toshut

That can’t be right!

Stalin was a GREAT guy!

Just read some of Pulitzer Prize winner Walter Duranty’s articles in the New York Times from that era. You’ll see!

;-)


3 posted on 01/22/2010 9:56:42 AM PST by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: Borax Queen

If you only got your history from television and the movies, you would grow up thinking the only villains who ever existed in world history were the NAZIs and the WW2 Japanese.

Its about time that the view of America was expanded to include other odious tyrannies.


4 posted on 01/22/2010 9:58:49 AM PST by ZULU (God guts and guns made America great. Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam.)
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To: ZULU

With the fall of the Soviet Union, many records of the former KGB have been discovered by the current Ukrainian government and made public. As a result, there is irrefutable evidence as to the scope and cause of this atrocity, and who the responsible parties were, starting from Stalin, on down. The result of this historical documentation, is that the Ukrainian government recently brought the matter to court in Ukraine successfully, and there are calls from the current President of Ukraine for a Nuremburg 2, to deal with all the crimes of the Communist era in Eastern Europe, so that they see the light of day, and are not forgotten.

More info is available at:

http://www.sbu.gov.ua/sbu/control/en/publish/article;jsessionid=835EFD3144300BA5C921488A32A7BBF6?art_id=96783&cat_id=35317

http://ssu.kmu.gov.ua/sbu/control/en/publish/article?art_id=89112&cat_id=89111


5 posted on 01/22/2010 10:00:41 AM PST by toshut
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To: toshut

Join us today on the Glenn Beck TV Thread - live. Posted at 4:30 Eastern everyday.


6 posted on 01/22/2010 10:02:00 AM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: toshut

I am so glad beck is doing this. People need to know this.


7 posted on 01/22/2010 10:02:35 AM PST by riri (Resistance-It's the New Black)
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To: ZULU

That’s exactly right. As a first-generation American whose parents escaped the Communists, and with relatives who died in or en-route to Siberia (their crimes, being too middle-class) — I often feel like I am the lone voice in the crowd who knows of the horrors.

No mainstream movies, no documentaries, nothing about Stalin, Lenin, not to mention Mao and the other bastards. All the Communist sympathizers and full-fledged Communists in Hollywood/Sundance/etc. wouldn’t go for it....

This special Beck is having is the first time in my life I can recall someone on tv bringing this up.


8 posted on 01/22/2010 10:03:17 AM PST by Borax Queen
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To: toshut

Having family that remained in Ukraine when my grandparents were sent over as children, I haven’t forgotten this.

But it doesn’t get much coverage.


9 posted on 01/22/2010 10:05:21 AM PST by ReneeLynn (Socialism is SO yesterday. Fascism, it*s the new black. Mmm Mmm Mmm.)
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To: Borax Queen

My paternal grandmother was from the Ukraine but left prior to the Bolshevik revolution, my dad was born in 1917 in the US. I grew up hearing how horrible the Bolsheviks were and that’s what they were called in our house. I, too, am glad this story will be told.


10 posted on 01/22/2010 10:06:37 AM PST by xsmommy
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To: Borax Queen
There was a mainstream movie made about communism, but of course it romanticized it. Reds was a huge hit.
11 posted on 01/22/2010 10:08:47 AM PST by xsmommy
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To: toshut; ZULU

I know I’m preaching to the choir, but sometimes it’s such a relief to be heard...

I heard Beck talking yesterday -— he said something like that “Uncle Joe” and “Chairman Mao” are seen as cuddly, almost teddy-bear-like because of all the propaganda from the Left.

That is SOO true! For most people/Americans?, chills don’t radiate up their spines, alarm bells going off, such as when they certain other tyrants’ photos. If nothing else, Stalin and Mao are just two more politicians, to many, thanks to the control of history, the state schools, the entertainment industry by the leftists.


12 posted on 01/22/2010 10:09:19 AM PST by Borax Queen
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To: toshut; All

www.holodomor.org/

Enough said.

PS - It was probably more like 12-13 million.


13 posted on 01/22/2010 10:09:24 AM PST by conservativeharleyguy (Democrats: Over 60 million fooled daily!)
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To: xsmommy

I have a parishioner who lived thru the Genocide and whenever he is reminded of it he breaks down in tears like it was yesterday.

He lost siblings as well as other family members and hundreds of neighbors on their village.

His descriptions are incredible and painful, but practically no one in the US knows about this because our education system does not allow anyone to learn about it


14 posted on 01/22/2010 10:11:15 AM PST by toshut
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To: Borax Queen

In the end, they were all Kulaks. So will we if we don’t take the congress, the culture, and the White House back.


15 posted on 01/22/2010 10:12:08 AM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: xsmommy

In addition to Dr Hunczak, who assited Glenn in this documentary, author and Director, Edvins Snore will be discussing his film, “The Soviet Story”, which will be featured prominently in the show. This is an excellent film and well worth seeing, as well as sharing with others. More information on the film can be found here:

http://www.sovietstory.com/about-the-film/


16 posted on 01/22/2010 10:13:24 AM PST by toshut
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To: toshut

i would like to know more about it myself.


17 posted on 01/22/2010 10:14:21 AM PST by xsmommy
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To: toshut

thanks so much!


18 posted on 01/22/2010 10:15:23 AM PST by xsmommy
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To: xsmommy

My parents were little when they fled in the 1940s. Their parents were doctors, lawyers, dentists, and architects, so that was considered upper middle class -— even though their homes were quite modest. They waited it out through the first battles between the Communists and the Nazis, but then had to flee, relatives were starting to disappear to Siberia. And the Russian Communists were placed in my father’s home to “take care of it”....

My father’s family’s choice was Hitler or Stalin, and they were going to be better off in one of Hitler’s camps than in Stalin’s... that is pretty horrible.

My mom’s family made it to Austria which had already surrendered...

They all thought they’d only be gone for a couple of years until the war ended, but we know what Communist-sympathizer and “Uncle Joe’s” buddy FDR did at Yalta.

The Dresden story also needs to be told, full of Baltic people and other refugees, women, children, who were murdered in the worst possible way.


19 posted on 01/22/2010 10:16:52 AM PST by Borax Queen
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To: xsmommy

That’s sick.... (Reds)

One movie that I was surprised that was made, and it was mainstream actually — but way back in 1965? — I just saw it mentioned in the article you posted — “Dr. Zhivago.”

At least some of the horrors of the Bolshevik Revolution were shown there....


20 posted on 01/22/2010 10:18:47 AM PST by Borax Queen
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To: conservativeharleyguy

http://www.amazon.com/Harvest-Sorrow-Soviet-Collectivization-Terror-Famine/dp/0195051807/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1264184330&sr=8-1

Outstanding book on the subject available on amazon.com


21 posted on 01/22/2010 10:19:41 AM PST by toshut
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To: toshut
A good source of historical information on this tragedy is the book "The Harvest of Sorrow" by Robert Conquest.

Conquest states in his book that for every letter (not word) in it 20 people died. It's 411 pages long.

22 posted on 01/22/2010 10:19:55 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim (Live jubtabulously!)
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To: toshut

Every member of the Communist Parties of Eastern Europe should have been banned from holding political office or voting for life. They should have been tried for war crimes and crimes against humanity, just like the National Socialists, even if the process took decades. Because they weren’t, we have to put up with scum like Putin and the other reinvented commies in the former Soviet Empire.


23 posted on 01/22/2010 10:20:13 AM PST by hellbender
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To: Borax Queen

Yes Dr Zhivago was when i was little, and it was mainstream and a big hit i think. I think there was more honesty and openness back then, the Cold War was still at its height, the commies were still the bad guys back in the early 60s. The whitewashing has gone on subsequently.


24 posted on 01/22/2010 10:22:23 AM PST by xsmommy
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To: hellbender

Well, at least the Poles just smartened up and significantly cut the pensions of former Polish Security service agents


25 posted on 01/22/2010 10:23:30 AM PST by toshut
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To: Tijeras_Slim

From FR member Parity

“Interesting sidenote: When Robert Conquest first published “Harvest of Sorrow” in the 1980’s, it was initially dismissed as being too “over the top.” Many of his primary sources were survivor interviews, and he was accused of cherry-picking the most sensational, most exaggerated accounts.

After the fall of the Soviet Union, as many of the records cited for Beck’s account began to be available, Conquest’s book was re-issued in 2002 (I believe). The publisher went to Conquest (who was still at Stanford’s Hoover Institute) and asked if he wanted to write a new foreward for this edition.

His initial response? “How about,’See, you f**ks, I told you so!’”

The chapter on Walter Duranty and the NYT complicity in cover-up are devastating.”


26 posted on 01/22/2010 10:29:16 AM PST by toshut
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To: toshut

The only pensions they should have received were bread and water in a cold, damp prison. That is, if they did not merit the death sentence.


27 posted on 01/22/2010 10:29:49 AM PST by hellbender
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To: toshut

I recall seeing that comment somewhere, possibly Amis’s “Koba the Dread” or Conquest’s “Reflections on a Ravaged Century”.

Good article and welcome to FR.


28 posted on 01/22/2010 10:31:32 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim (Live jubtabulously!)
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To: toshut

The only reason that I know about the Ukrainian genocide is that my father, who only had a high school education (he finished school at night during the Depression), told me about it when I was a boy. I never heard about it in high school or college courses, although I learned more from some college classmates who were of Ukrainian descent, but that was on our own time.

My father, who was a truly intelligent man, also railed about Fabian socialism (I think Beck will talk about this tonight), Mussolini (we’re Italian), and FDR.

Dad, I wish you were alive to watch this show with me tonight!


29 posted on 01/22/2010 10:32:04 AM PST by paterfamilias
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To: paterfamilias
Dad, I wish you were alive to watch this show with me tonight!

i thought that very thing myself.

30 posted on 01/22/2010 10:34:28 AM PST by xsmommy
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To: toshut
And let us not forget that Durranty, the Webbs, George Bernard Shaw and many other "intellectuals" travelled through the Soviet in the early 30s and didn't see anything.

Robert Conquest's book on the Ukrainian famine is a must read, but regarding the blind westerners Paul Hollander'Political Pilgrims is unsurpassed in my opinion.

31 posted on 01/22/2010 10:37:48 AM PST by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: toshut
And let us not forget that Durranty, the Webbs, George Bernard Shaw and many other "intellectuals" travelled through the Soviet in the early 30s and didn't see anything.

Robert Conquest's book on the Ukrainian famine is a must read, but regarding the blind westerners Paul Hollander'Political Pilgrims is unsurpassed in my opinion.

32 posted on 01/22/2010 10:38:21 AM PST by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

Thanks for the kudos and welcome.

just doing my part to educate the masses, one person at a time on this subject

Unfortunately, being of Ukraianian decent, I have been utterly frustrated by the misrepresentation in school books as well as the media about Ukraine’s history and her suffering under Communism.

I concur the GB that Americans are too naive about the “real” history of communism, and it is romanticized by many in the media and academia.


33 posted on 01/22/2010 10:38:23 AM PST by toshut
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To: toshut

If you do not get Foxnews, or cannot watch it on a VCR or DVR, then Foxnews can be watched live on line at:

http://www.foxnewsunderground.com/stream3/

or after the show, as a recording online at

http://www.therightscoop.com/

More information on the Ukrainian Famine of 1933 can be found here:

http://www.faminegenocide.com/index.html

http://www.holodomorct.org/history.html


34 posted on 01/22/2010 10:55:42 AM PST by toshut
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To: ScaniaBoy

“And let us not forget that Durranty, the Webbs, George Bernard Shaw and many other “intellectuals” travelled through the Soviet in the early 30s and didn’t see anything.”

“E. E. Cummings traveled through The Soviet Union too. He had a different view... “Cummings traveled to the USSR in the summer of 1931 for 36 days. He took what must have been copious notes, and then when he returned, he wrote EIMI: A Journey Through Soviet Russia, which, after nearly 50 years out of print, has been reissued. Eimi is Greek for “I am,” an obvious reference to the value of the individual, which was being crushed under Stalin, a fact which many in the United States, especially artists and writers, did not see until decades later.” from WorldHum.com


35 posted on 01/22/2010 10:56:35 AM PST by FreeLuna
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To: toshut

America’s biggest trading partner venerates Mao (I believe his “immortal” remains are still on display in a Mausoleum). His death toll vastly exceeded Hitler’s. It’s kind of chilling to think about. Scads of holocaust films, memorials, easy and ongoing villification of krauts and yet the country that in some way even “economically owns” the USA... and to whom the USA has shed millions of jobs, was actually worse than Hitler in terms of sheer numbers of slaughtered human beings... (as was America’s Soviet ally in WW2).

I don’t know what it means, except that some holocausts are more holocausty than others, so long as the ideology is/was popular among intellectuals. And let’s face it, communism is/was extremely popular among the so-called Intellighenzia.

Naturally, it’s like comparing rotten fish with rotten meat... but, why isn’t the Holodomir common knowledge? 10/13 million people purposefully starved to death?

The conspiracy theorists have a ball blaming the Jews, (many Bolsheviks were Jews, many in the media, both info and entertainment were /are Jews).

I wish we would be given honest answers capable of putting things in perspective, without immediate cries of “vade retro Nazi!”

I think the real Jewish link has to do with the “Intellighenzia” and internationalst appeal. It would be only natural for them under their conditions (pogroms and suchlike) to go more towards the social as opposed to the cultural angle of totalitarianism.

Yes, I believe that it really isn’t a Jewish question, besides the fact that all those Jews were / are atheists, but a struggle between rich and complicated “scientific” utopian ideals and the more simplistic blood and soil, between “I have a dream” and this is “our volk and land.”

Well the omelette was made and there’s no getting the eggs back into their shells, but the huge disparity remains. Some of those slaughtered as a result of a couple of centuries of veneration of the state are surely worth more than others.

Another slaughter comes to mind, the one perpetrated by the “Enlightened” French right after their revolution for Liberty, Fraternity and Equality... the wholesale hecatomb perpetrated upon the people of the Vendée. This too is not taught.


36 posted on 01/22/2010 11:06:29 AM PST by Youaskedforit
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To: Borax Queen

The Ukrainians, Armenians, Christian Chaldeans, Assyrians, etc, are the unfortunate vicitms of the Boslheviks in Hollyweird and the Mainstream U.S. Media who will not expose the crimes of Communists, Muscovite Imperialists, Maoists, Khymer Rouge, Muslims, etc because it threatens their domestic and foreign political agendas.


37 posted on 01/22/2010 11:11:55 AM PST by ZULU (God guts and guns made America great. Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam.)
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To: Borax Queen

Imagine somebody refering to “Uncle Adolf” or “Uncle Tojo”.


38 posted on 01/22/2010 11:12:54 AM PST by ZULU (God guts and guns made America great. Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam.)
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To: paterfamilias

The only reason that I know about the Ukrainian genocide is that my father . . . told me about it when I was a boy.

Did he mention any name(s) in connection with it? For example, Nikita S. Khrushchev who, IINM, had a prominent role in carrying it out.


39 posted on 01/22/2010 11:25:24 AM PST by eddiespaghetti ((with the meatball eyes))
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To: toshut

Lies, damned lies and statistics! Walter Duranty of that blessed oracle the NEW YORK TIMES says it was like a paradise on earth!

ok, Sarc/off


40 posted on 01/22/2010 11:31:52 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Are my guns loaded? Break in and find out.)
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To: eddiespaghetti

Take a look at this link

http://www.sbu.gov.ua/sbu/control/en/publish/article;jsessionid=835EFD3144300BA5C921488A32A7BBF6?art_id=96783&cat_id=35317

it is a news release by the Ukrainian Security Service (ie former KGB) about the Genocide and who were the main culprits


41 posted on 01/22/2010 11:36:18 AM PST by toshut
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To: xsmommy
the Cold War was still at its height, the commies were still the bad guys back in the early 60s.

Ohhhh, that's a good point! I never could figure out how that one was "allowed," plus I think it won some Academy Awards? I have the VCR plus an original movie premiere book I found at an antique store... I think a lot of what I picture happened to my family's families resulted from that movie.

If only they made more, instead of the Communist-denial!

42 posted on 01/22/2010 11:48:11 AM PST by Borax Queen
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To: toshut
all my life if have preached to the choir about the evils of socialism, either National Socialism or Communism...doesn't matter which...one puts a banana knife in your ear for disobeying, and the other kills you by the numbers by sending you to the gas chamber...Liberals think it IS a new outlook and is exciting and that the great ‘RIGHT WING” conspiracy is to blame for the worlds ills, instead of the sickness of greed and power...and remember, the old Communists HATED Fascism because they believed they were the better socialists...
43 posted on 01/22/2010 11:54:56 AM PST by Blackwatch2
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To: xsmommy
“Harvest of Sorrow” by Robert Conquest, I think that I may still have my Copy, Freep mail me an addy and I will send it to you, I want it back.
44 posted on 01/22/2010 11:55:18 AM PST by Little Bill (Carol Che-Porter is a MOONBAT.)
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To: toshut
I started to read the “Divine Alexander” in 1960 when “One Day in the Life” was first published in “Look Magazine”, hated commies there after.
45 posted on 01/22/2010 12:01:32 PM PST by Little Bill (Carol Che-Porter is a MOONBAT.)
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To: toshut
Little mention is made either that the second-class position of Jews in the Soviet Union began immediately after the Hitler-Stalin pact, and led, before Hitler's version of the "final solution", to the expulsion of nearly all Jews from Communist Party and from government in the Soviet Union, pogroms, mass starvation, forced Siberian exile and Gulag imprisonment for Jews, across the Soviet Union, and without respect to former position in party, government or society. Hitler just took it a few steps further.

Notice also that the left in the west has worked so hard to keep this bit of history suppressed, while simultaneously concentrating the public's mind on those same activities by Hitler - as if Hitler and Stalin had nothing in common (as the left's myth goes).

46 posted on 01/22/2010 1:26:59 PM PST by Wuli
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To: toshut

Bttt


47 posted on 01/22/2010 1:46:56 PM PST by 1_Rain_Drop
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