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I shot US abortion doctor to protect children, Scott Roeder tells court
Guardian ^ | 28 January 2010 | Ed Pilkington

Posted on 01/28/2010 12:16:12 PM PST by Ben Mugged

A self-proclaimed born-again Christian who believes all abortions are a sin told his trial for murder today that he shot dead an abortion doctor in Wichita, Kansas, to protect unborn children.

Scott Roeder said he had bought a .22-calibre Taurus gun and ammunition on 30 May 2009, the day before he shot George Tiller, and practised target shooting with his brother. Then he checked into a motel in Wichita, and the next day followed Tiller to the church in the town where the doctor was an usher.

His defence lawyer asked: "Did you go and shoot Dr Tiller?"

Roeder replied: "Yes."

His confession is part of his defence that he felt forced to kill in order to save the lives of unborn children. He has pleaded not guilty to first-degree murder.

It is the first time in US legal history that a violent anti-abortionist has been allowed to present the jury with his justification for murder.

The judge in the case, Warren Wilbert, caused dismay among pro-abortionists and doctors this month when he ruled that Roeder would be allowed to present his justification to the court. Wilbert will decide later in the trial in Kansas whether the jury will be permitted to find the defendant guilty of the lesser crime of manslaughter.

Tiller was killed in the Reformation Lutheran church with one shot to the head. He had long been a target for anti-abortionists as he was one of few doctors prepared to perform legal late abortions, after 21 weeks of gestation.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Kansas
KEYWORDS: 2savelives; abortion; abortionists; babykillerkilled; churchshooting; doctrineofnecessity; justifiablehomicide; justwar; killedbabykiller; necessitydefense; selfdefense; tiller; wichita
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To: wagglebee
Your absence from this thread is noticeable.

What is your opinion?

201 posted on 01/28/2010 3:15:44 PM PST by verity (Obama Lies)
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights
"To justify it is an insult to the soul of every child Tiller aborted."

Thank you for the voice of reason in what has become an otherwise unreasonable thread.

202 posted on 01/28/2010 3:17:28 PM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: LussaO; BlackElk

You seem to be copying and pasting your responses, Lussa. Nonetheless, there are really few individuals in life that could have well earned the moniker of “monster” as Tiller did. Nevermind the monstrosity of his actions in his clinic, but that he also used his wealth and influence to affect political contests in Kansas, often to protect him from prosecution and answering for his crimes.

I’m far less troubled by Roeder’s actions than I am by Tiller’s, or his church. What sort of a church would give comfort, nevermind respect and cover, to such a monster ? A true Christian church would demand he repent of his horrendous crimes and atone, and sin no more. Every parishioner that failed to speak up against him was complicit.

Perhaps Roeder was commanded by God to carry out this action, and to do so under a roof dedicated to worship of Him, in righteous anger at such hypocritical, blasphemous conduct and actions in His temple.


203 posted on 01/28/2010 3:17:30 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: trumandogz

A great leap of illogic.


204 posted on 01/28/2010 3:17:47 PM PST by Palladin (It's a new day in America. Welcome, Senator Brown.)
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To: Snowyman

Under this rationale, could we justify fire-bombing pharmacies that disperse birth control? How about the morning after pill?

Maybe we should blow up the pharmaceutical companies that make the pills?

Or the medical supply companies that make the instruments that allow abortions to take place?

My guess is that you could kill a good million people today in the name of protecting life.


205 posted on 01/28/2010 3:17:49 PM PST by MrRobertPlant2009
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To: LussaO

Who said this, McVeigh or Scott Roeder?

“I have great respect for human life. I did not do it for personal gain. I ease my mind in that. I did it for the larger good.”

Spare us these assholes who think murder stops murder. We waste too much valuable time and energy trying to assure people we’re not all like them.


206 posted on 01/28/2010 3:18:35 PM PST by LussaO
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights
They justify the murder not only of abortion doctors, but also of doctors who prescribe RU-486, IUD’s and birth control pills. They also justify the murder of pharmacists who dispense birth control pills, and morning after pills. I imagine they would also condone the murder of the UPS guy who delivers abortion pills to a woman's home.
207 posted on 01/28/2010 3:19:06 PM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep

Legally, shmegally!

She wanted her baby.

Her parents were as cruel and inhuman as Tiller!


208 posted on 01/28/2010 3:21:14 PM PST by Palladin (It's a new day in America. Welcome, Senator Brown.)
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To: editor-surveyor
Superior court, not supreme.

The SCOTUS is the MOST superior court.

Have you actually READ Article III? It grants the courts authority to judge the law. It does not grant juries that authority. In fact, it only provides for juries in criminal trials, which typically don't even judge the law to begin with.

If the Founders intended for juries to "judge the law", why are they only specified for criminal trials?

Have you ever dealt with truth, or is this your standard operation?

Why the nastiness? Can you find a place in the Constitution where juries are given authority to "judge the law", as you claimed, or not?

You're just wrong.

You should just admit that your ideas are anti-Constitution.

209 posted on 01/28/2010 3:22:43 PM PST by TChris ("Hello", the politician lied.)
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To: OldDeckHand

You apparently do not understand what jury nullification is.

One person in disagreement is not nullification; its merely a ‘hung’ jury. Nullification requires a majority large enough to dissuade further prosecution.

You argue with vagaries, and convince only those as statist, mentally lazy as yourself.


210 posted on 01/28/2010 3:23:08 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Democracy, the vilest form of government, pits the greed of an angry mob vs. the rights of a man)
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights
It does not make Roeder any better than Tiller. To justify it is an insult to the soul of every child Tiller aborted.

That is a bit of rhetoric worthy of Obama -- high sounding and devoid of moral authority.

211 posted on 01/28/2010 3:25:19 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (governance is not sovereignty [paraphrasing Bishop Fulton Sheen].)
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To: MrRobertPlant2009

Don’t forget, the UPS guy sometimes delivers abortion pills to women’s homes. So, they may as well kill the UPS guy or better yet shoot UPS planes out if the sky.


212 posted on 01/28/2010 3:25:21 PM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: TChris
I'm inclined to ignore your silly comments, except to reply plainly as you request, and to offer a couple of quotes from our nation's founders.

Yes, I support the U.S. Constitution - most of all the first seven words of it, which I'd like to remind you of:

"We the people of the United States..."

(Not the legislators, the executives, the judges - to whom you appeal as supreme authority. This they are not.)

"It is not only (the juror's) right, but his duty to find the verdict according to his own understanding, judgment, and conscience, though in direct opposition to the direction of the court." - John Adams

"(Y)ou have nevertheless a right to take upon yourselves to judge of both, and to determine the law as well as the fact in controversy....(B)oth objects are lawfully within your power of decision." - John Jay

"But it is also their duty to exercise their judgments upon the law, as well as the fact." - Alexander Hamiltion

"It is essential to the security of personal rights and public liberty, that the jury should have and exercise the power to judge both of the law and of the criminal intent." - Alexander Hamilton

We could learn a lot from the founders, from those self-reliant, liberty-loving folks. And the principles which underlie jury trial and its authority of sitting in judgment of the law can instruct us on how best to restore America to her former greatness. For it starts - and ends - with we the people of the United States.
213 posted on 01/28/2010 3:26:17 PM PST by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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To: trumandogz
So, they may as well kill the UPS guy or better yet shoot UPS planes out if the sky.

thank gawd people who reason like this are confined to mediocrity.

214 posted on 01/28/2010 3:26:53 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (governance is not sovereignty [paraphrasing Bishop Fulton Sheen].)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

The doctor doesn’t do anything until the woman gives him permission to. What’s her complicity?

“Perhaps Roeder was commanded by God to carry out this action”

Good grief. You and Bin Laden, employing the “sanctioned by God” strategy.


215 posted on 01/28/2010 3:27:59 PM PST by LussaO
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To: MrRobertPlant2009

Love your rubberized strawman!

Come back and play sometime again.


216 posted on 01/28/2010 3:28:01 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Democracy, the vilest form of government, pits the greed of an angry mob vs. the rights of a man)
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To: TChris

Words mean things.

Superior court has a definite meaning, that you cannot just fluff off.

Civil trials are not prosecuted by a government lawyer Einstein.


217 posted on 01/28/2010 3:31:17 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Democracy, the vilest form of government, pits the greed of an angry mob vs. the rights of a man)
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To: editor-surveyor
"You argue with vagaries, and convince only those as statist, mentally lazy as yourself."

I don't believe I have ever met someone as enamored with their own intellectual shortcomings as you seem to be with yours. Congratulations, I'm sure there something to say for that, although I can't for the life of me imagine what it would be.

You have proven my point though. You apparently believe it's perfectly fine for someone to justify their own violation of US law with their own religious or moral beliefs, so long as those beliefs align with your own. That sir, is hypocrisy.

We have had over a dozen US citizens placed on trial for their participation and support of Muslim Jihadists. They are waging Jihad because they believe their God instructs them to to save the life of their fellow Muslims. If they were to be tried under the terms that you seem to advocate, they could be found NOT GUILTY if enough of their jury members were sympathetic to their religious beliefs and dogma. That is the logical outcome when we allow a person or a group to substitute their own philosophical beliefs for the demands of the Republic's laws.

218 posted on 01/28/2010 3:33:03 PM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: Palladin
No leap of logic.

Life begins at conception so therefore, there is no difference between a third trimester abortion.
That being the case there is no difference between the late term abortion doctor and a doctor that implants an IUD into a woman's uterus

219 posted on 01/28/2010 3:33:25 PM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: LussaO; fieldmarshaldj
"Good grief. You and Bin Laden..."

The Obama noobies are a real bunch! - You really stink up the place.

220 posted on 01/28/2010 3:34:05 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Democracy, the vilest form of government, pits the greed of an angry mob vs. the rights of a man)
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