Jury Finds Man Guilty of Murder in Kansas Abortion Provider’s Death

Foxnews.com ^ | 1/29/10

[FutureRocketMan]

WICHITA, Kan. — A man who said he killed prominent Kansas abortion provider Dr. George Tiller in order to save the lives of unborn children was convicted Friday of murder.

The jury deliberated for just 37 minutes before finding Scott Roeder, 51, of Kansas City, Mo., guilty of premeditated, first-degree murder in the May 31 shooting death.

[eleni121]

Do you have the moral courage to stop evil from being commited?

Apparently not.

Some advice: point that moraqlly impaired finger at yourlsef before you go spouting off here...

[DallasSun]

Absolutely he should.

[DallasSun]

I would vote for the maximum and wish it could be the death penalty.

[DallasSun]

Same as in Texas

[eleni121]

You sound like a moral relativist. This is what evil is not: Evil is not in the mind of the individual to be discussed and appeased and put away in the attic.

Evil is tearing apart babies in abbatoirs. Evil is sending millions of humans to the gulags. Evil is rounding up millions in death camps.

Evil is NOT killing a Nazi or Commie or Turk or murderer of human children.

Get the picture here? If you don’t chcek out the photo in #167

[Soothesayer]

I said “willing”. Not that they are determined. For the most part, they don’t spend any time thinking about it let alone acting on any impulse. They are more interested in early-stage killing because it is easier and more efficient.

[Ol' Sparky]

You know what’s in God’s eyes?

I think we safely killing fully-formed infants that are perfectly health that are not needed to save the life of the mother are wrong God's eyes.

It silly to have asked the question.

[chilltherats]

Murder is murder, true, but there are varying degrees of murder and they carry different punishments, which do vary from state to state. All Roeder had was a lousy public defender and no opportunity to use his motive in his defense. By contrast, KSM will have the finest defense team in the world and will be allowed to spew ad nauseam ad infinitum.

Let’s not forget that, but for Killer Kathleen Sibelius and her being so beholden to the abortion industry, Roeder would not have felt the need to act. Tiller and his band of murderers of innocents would have been successfully prosecuted. Further, the people of KS should be ashamed of themselves for letting Tiller operate in their state and for electing somebody who not only allowed it but encouraged his “work.”

I view Roeder as a martyr who went about his task very stupidly. It was the act of a desperate man.

I’m glad Tiller is dead and I’m glad he died violently. He was a monster, and I don’t give a damn about his family. If my father or husband was an aborter of living children, I would have severed all contact with him and abandoned him years and years ago.

[trumandogz]

My view is quite clear.

Life begins at conception.

Therefore, the actions of Tiller are no worse than an abortionist who performs first trimester abortions, a doctor who implants an IUD, a pharmacist who doles out abortion pills to women and women who have abortions, take abortion pills or have an IUD.

You see, I believe in Equal Protection for all human life.

[tired_old_conservative]

Evil is in the minds of those convinced they know absolute truth, whether their personal truth or their personal interpretation of God's will. Always has been, always will be. That is why religion places such emphasis on humility.

You are not God. You don't know God's will with absolute certainty. All you know is that he said “thou shalt not kill.” The question someone else asked you is pertinent—are you willing to go kill abortion doctors? Yes or no. If the answer is no, that's because at some level you know you don't have the moral right to make that decision yourself. The only alternative assumptions available are insulting, so I will forego accusing you of them.

I have killed people. It's a vile act. I did it on a battlefield for my country; maybe that makes it okay, maybe it doesn't. Guess I won't be in any position to say until I'm six feet under. But having looked into the eyes of my enemy as they faded out in time with some truly awful sounds, I know one thing. Anyone who can walk up to a defenseless human being, assume they are God and fire a bullet into that person point blank is the very last definition of a hero morally decent people will accept.

[whatisthetruth]

I’m just wondering if what prevents most people from Roeder-style justice is that they believe that committing murder is a sin no matter who does it

I'm sure the fact that it could be a Sin is probably the primary deterrent why there aren't more Roeder-style vigilantes. As for me I don't know if it's a Sin, after all is it a Sin when our military members kill other human beings on the battlefield? Then there's the fact that you know it's a baby when the likes of Tiller types kill them fully formed but is it really the same serious offense as when they're just zygotes canceled out by contraceptives?

Let's just say for me my personal relationship with God is not deep enough for me to know for sure if a Roeder type sacrifice is right and what God requires of His people for I still have too many as yet unanswered questions about the issue. And as other posters have opined, Tiller's gone but if there are others who step up to take his place then what really was accomplished?

Otoh if there were a a few hundred Roeders at the core of a growing movement all willing to make the ultimate sacrifice and declare war on the Tillers' of the nation, then that might change the dynamics of who would still be willing to become Tiller replacements.

[ohioWfan]

You didn't answer my question, eleni.

Do you have the "moral courage" to commit murder?

Yes. Or no.

I believe in the laws of God. I believe in the 10 Commandments. It isn't "spouting off." It's admitting that there is a Higher Authority than my own feelings, and recognizing that He has said that vengeance belongs to Him......not me, a fallible human being.

Now if you will please answer my question. You spouted off about "moral courage." I want to know if you meant it.

[xzins]

Is it an error in law for a judge to permit a line of defense, but then to disallow the jury to consider a different (lesser) penalty if that defense is believed by the jury?

[DallasSun]

Not admitting discussion of abortion procedures was a call by the judge in this case.

[factmart]

Ditto

[verity]

what about after-life? Isn’t that the real test of the biggest moral questions?

"Thou shall not kill."

Continue rationalizing.

[factmart]

Ditto

[whatisthetruth]

Do you have the "moral courage" to commit murder?

Not a fair question? Is it murder when one is defending life against murder? Are you for the death penalty? Are you against War?

[behzinlea]

Anyone who can walk up to a defenseless human being, assume they are God and fire a bullet into that person point blank is the very last definition of a hero morally decent people will accept.

The last definition? Not really. Not even close. Coolly and methodically invading the sanctity and safety of the womb with caustic chemicals, sharp instruments, and suction to vivisect and suck out out burned or bloody pieces the most innocent and helpless certainly ranks lower on the scale of heroes and decent human beings. And to do it tens of thousands of times? Sorry. I have no sympathy or tears for Dr. Tiller. I can't understand how you can hold such a vile monster's murderer in greater moral contempt.

[DallasSun]

No. Manslaughter was only a choice if a life was in imminent danger. There was no imminent danger. Hence, manslaughter was not given as a choice. The judge was right.