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It's the race into 3rd world status...

Of course, I think government street lights are a joke, and a totally unnecessary tax burden...

That being said, this is just another glimpse into corrupt, inept government at all levels....They spent the wad, and now their looking to prop up their high end, tax funded benefits packages and their tax paid lottery style, government retirement pensions.

They still have not learned that need to reduce their size and scope of their local government kingdoms...That are now little more than houses of cards

1 posted on 02/01/2010 3:36:17 PM PST by dragnet2
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To: dragnet2

Maybe we should just turn the president off.

People said for years not to concentrate so much power in Washington. I think we now know why that is a really really dumb idea.


2 posted on 02/01/2010 3:40:27 PM PST by Tarpon ( ...)
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To: dragnet2

I wonder what their budget is for the “arts”, downtown historic preservation, and walking paths.

Or any other feel-good tax dollar vacuum.


3 posted on 02/01/2010 3:41:47 PM PST by digger48
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To: dragnet2

One of the things that keeps us out of third world status is that we have street lights. This is one of the positive and useful things that municipal government does for us, and I have no objection to paying for it.

But since we are still paying the same taxes, if not more, now they have decided they can’t afford the lights, exactly what are they using that money for? Hiring more ACORN members to canvass Dem voters?


4 posted on 02/01/2010 3:43:25 PM PST by livius
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To: dragnet2

I have often wondered just how much good street lights do. I figure they are more helpful, even necessary, in some locales than others, but just imagine how much energy we use on them nationwide. I see Interstate interchanges that are fully lighted even though a hundred cars a night don’t use them. It’s got to be a waste of energy.


5 posted on 02/01/2010 3:45:57 PM PST by jwparkerjr
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To: dragnet2

To: Mayor Rivera and City Council Members

From: Stephen Bartolin, Jr.

Date: November 16, 2009

Subject: City Budget

I understand you voted to take $580,000 out of the CVB’s share of the Tourism Budget. I completely understand the financial pressures the City has right now and the tough decisions that must be made. I am not sure this is the most effective idea, however, for two reasons:

• It doesn’t really put much of a dent in the overall problem.

• I can say with a good fact basis that cutting tourism funding will only dig the hole deeper.

This was proven, in no uncertain terms, when the State of Colorado did this. It cost them many millions more than they saved.

With that said it is unfair to make that comment and not offer some solutions. It doesn’t appear to be a popular solution to cut police and fire or not replace street lamps or water parks or close the museum or require temporary furloughs. It appears to be making people angrier. People seem to want a more comprehensive and long lasting solution.

The Gazette article a few Sunday’s ago brought some clarity when it broke down the city revenues and expenses by area. I was surprised that public safety was only a $114M of the overall $226M in expenses.

I am sure there are efficiencies to be gained in public safety, but there is a lot to work with outside of that.

Please understand the constructive manner in which these comments are intended. A good way to look at it is as a business problem. Say you are the new CEO of a $226M a year business that is going to run $30+M in the red next year. The easy answer is to raise the rates and increase revenue, but the marketplace won’t support that (in this case, the taxpayers).

That leaves only one alternative. Deal with the expense side. A basic analysis of the expenses is that you have a 70% overall payroll cost, $161M payroll for 1805 employees which equals $89,196 per employee and benefit and pension plans that are not only “Cadillac” but more “Ferrari” when compared to what is being offered in the private sector.

Looking at it this way, the solutions become more obvious:

• Restructure and reorganize how the City is run and figure out how to do it with approximately 1550 employees versus 1805 employees.

• Restructure the starting wages for both salary and hourly personnel across the board.

• Contract out everything that is practical with sharply negotiated pricing which gets you out from under the overtime, benefit and pension costs paid to City employees.

• Restructure your benefit and retirement plans to something more comparable to what is available in the private sector.

More specifically:

• 70% payroll cost - No matter what business you are in, for profit or non-profit, the game is pretty much over if you are running a 70% payroll cost. We do approximately half the revenue the City does and we run a 30% payroll cost with 1800 plus employees, near the same number as the City.

• Per employee cost of $89,196 - It is doubtful you can find any private employer for 500 or more people in the state of Colorado or practically the nation that has a per employee payroll cost that high. Our per employee cost is $24,460, which includes seasonal and part-time people which we use a great deal as there are no benefit costs associated with these.

• The number of people it takes to get things done.

i. The Gazette reported that the City has 81 people in its IT Department and is reducing it to 69. We have some ultra-sophisticated and integrated systems and a large PC network. In addition, we provide 24-hour IT customer service to all of our guests. We do this with 9 people

ii. I was told that the Utilities Department has over 30 people in Communications plus employs the services of an outside PR agency. We have 1 person in PR and we have to compete for our business across the nation.

iii. The Gazette also reported that Utilities has approximately 60 people in Human Resources. We have 13. Yet we have over 1800 employees compared to their 1300.

• Examine the number of salaried positions - of our 1800 plus employees we have 144 salaried positions. I have no idea how many the City has but it would be interesting to know.

• The Gazette reported that the City has 67 positions paying $100,000 or more. We have 13.

• Restructure starting wages for hourly and salaried positions - every year we do a wage survey among major employers as well as other hospitality employers in the city for comparison purposes. For all like positions and in almost every single case the City had the highest starting wage over any of the other private sector companies we surveyed.

• Restructure the health insurance program to one comparable to what is being offered in the private sector and examine the costs shared by the employee.

• Move retirement age to 60 no matter how many years of service - both for collection of benefits and for medical insurance.

• Once a retiree reaches age 65 move them to Medicare and off the City plan.

• The weight of the pension plan is crushing the City financially. If the private sector cannot afford plans likes this how can the taxpayers? It has to be dealt with. It occurs to me Police Officers and Firefighters who risk their lives for this community should be excluded from the ideas being advanced.

Police and Fire support staff should be treated like all other City employees. Develop a generous matching 401K plan and have people take responsibility for their own retirement planning. A friend of mine’s wife works in the IT Department of one of the City entities (she is paid $120K a year - she is not the department head or the director).

Our Director in IT makes $90K a year. This lady is 49 years old and plans to retire next year at 50. She will receive 80% of her salary with annual cost of living increases and full medical package for the next 30+ years. Who can afford this?

• Whatever measures are decided on should be carried right across to Utilities. They operate like their own private fiefdom. When I look at our water bill going from $580,000 in 2008 to $2.5M by 2018 certainly the same operating efficiencies applied to the City should be applied there. Possibly it makes sense for Memorial Hospital as well.

• Capital Expenses - the article did not indicate how much the City spends annually in capital expenses, but I am sure it is many millions of dollars. Our staff is always amazed at the new fleets of vehicles you see in use, i.e. when the Stormwater Enterprise was established everyone was outfitted with fully optioned F-350 trucks. You see them all over town. We maintain vehicles well and run them until they don’t run anymore. We have many with over 200,000 miles. We also buy well maintained used trucks, shuttle, vans, etc., many of which have been in service 10 years now. I understand the Police Department just spent $3M on new portable telephones when the present system was operating fine. In this economy could that have been postponed for another year or two?

• Go to zero based budgeting for operating and capital expenses immediately before capital budgets for 2010 are approved.

We know the arguments you’ll get: that we are only in the mid-pay range of other cities - won’t be able to hire and recruit - etc. etc. - baloney - I showed you a number of comparisons to our business with staffing levels, number of people at 6 figures or more, number of salaried people, average cost per employee and benefits per employee, etc. between The BROADMOOR and the City - we are not comparing some third rate organization. The BROADMOOR is recognized nationwide as a world class organization and we compete in a world every day where the best is just good enough. We are able to recruit top professionals in all the key positions and get creative with how we staff and operate our business.

It probably would not be effective to turn these suggestions over to somebody within the City and have them develop and implement the necessary solutions. You’ll have to bring in a firm from the outside to do it under Council’s direction or you can put together a panel of CEO’s within the community to analyze this and I am sure they would have many more points to offer. I would be happy to facilitate such a group and host a lunch discussion. I mentioned it to Bill Hybl and he said he would be happy to offer input as well and participate. A more comprehensive approach is what will provide a viable long term solution. I predict that if Council were to take this on and restructure with real reform and solve problems you would earn the respect and admiration of the entire community. In fact, this could be a national success story.

Thank you.

Sincerely,

Stephen Bartolin, Jr.

President and CEO


7 posted on 02/01/2010 3:48:42 PM PST by Balding_Eagle (If America falls, darkness will cover the face of the earth for a thousand years.)
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To: dragnet2
In an effort to save $1.2 million a year

Hmm...Let's see...In order to avoid laying off a dozen or so middle-management do-nothing bureaucrats, we'll shut off 30 percent of our street lights, thus endangering public safety.

Just brilliant.

9 posted on 02/01/2010 3:50:08 PM PST by JennysCool (My hypocrisy goes only so far)
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“It’s the race into 3rd world status...”

No, it’s a race for Bureaucrats to scare people into coughing up enough of their hard earned money to keep government workers living the life to which they have become accustomed.

My local paper printed a pie chart representing the expenditure of our local school system and 86% of the costs were salaries.

This scam is just about done.


10 posted on 02/01/2010 3:51:05 PM PST by dljordan (Psalm 109:8 "Let his days be few; and let another take his office. ")
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Creeping marxism. What next power outages to same a bat or fish like Chavez?


12 posted on 02/01/2010 4:02:52 PM PST by mountainlion (concerned conservative.)
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Year Total Government Spending-total % of GDP
1994 35.45
1995 35.62
1996 34.79
1997 33.88
1998 33.68
1999 33.19
2000 33.24
2001 34.14
2002 35.56
2003 36.11
2004 35.56
2005 35.68
2006 35.93
2007 35.90
2008 37.82
2009 46.22
2010 43.47
2011 43.05
2012 42.23
2013 42.45
2014 43.17


14 posted on 02/01/2010 4:03:14 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (Liberal Massachussetts says: "FUBO!")
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Just watch this one. If lights aren’t turned off “equally” the race-hucksters will be out in the streets in force. So the officials had better be sure to turn off lights in equal amounts in White and non-White neighborhoods.
The liberal “mind” is a terrible waste of brain cells.


17 posted on 02/01/2010 4:10:40 PM PST by Leftism is Mentally Deranged
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To: dragnet2

Do the tax payers pay for the street lights or the salaried bureaucrats that shut them off?


20 posted on 02/01/2010 5:45:15 PM PST by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been redistributed. Here's your Change.)
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To: dragnet2

I guess they’ll soon be able to see if street lights actually affect crime rates.


26 posted on 02/01/2010 6:55:49 PM PST by LucyJo (http://www.housetohouse.com/)
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To: dragnet2
How much does it cost, per light, to turn them off? (and then back on in a year?). I assume they are paying overtime to have them turned off or using contractors since the city has (of course!) pared the workforce to the bone.
30 posted on 02/01/2010 7:25:11 PM PST by cookcounty (Let us not speak of the honor of men. Rather, let us bind them with the Constitution. --Jefferson)
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To: dragnet2

A number of CA cities did this during the oil crisis in the 70s. They never turned them back on.


31 posted on 02/01/2010 7:30:09 PM PST by Professional Engineer (It's too cold to care about Algore's carbon credits. I'm using treehuggers as home heating fuel.)
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I'm going to turn off my license plate light to save money.

Good for the leech, good for the host.

34 posted on 02/01/2010 7:51:47 PM PST by elkfersupper (Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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It really depends upon the street and environment.

If pedestrians or bicyclists are in the area of 50 mph traffic, and it appears safer than it really is, then street lights might be outstanding safety devices.

Quite a few studies out there by the IES in the early 50s -70s regarding street lighting and how to better identify traffic hazards at night.

The only real problem that pops up, is when streets and public culture have been designed and accustomed to driving and safety habits with street lights, and then somebody decides to simply de-energize them to save money, not investigating the impact and liabilities which such a removal might have been generated.

I know of one incident recently in SoCA of a bicyclist being killed by a driver at night on a semirural to urban roadway where lights were removed. The drivers change driving habits to 50mph rural driving on 2-lane roads, while locals were accustomed to bike riding in the late afternoon on connector roads between subdivisions, and winter hours merged with nightfall, generating an unsafe and fatal circumstance.


37 posted on 02/01/2010 7:58:44 PM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: dragnet2

Those of us who grew up in the country don’t understand the obsession with street lights.


41 posted on 02/01/2010 8:22:16 PM PST by ctdonath2 (Pelosi is practically President; the Obama is just her talk show host.)
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To: dragnet2
I would venture a wild guess that if the citizens are angry enough at their elected officials, they could replace every one of them with educated, experienced people with more than a dollop of common sense who would find more than enough places to save money to keep all the street lights on, and still maintain essential services.

Replace them all, from the mayor, the city council, City Manager, whatever; City Engineer and Planning director; the Police Chief and the courts.

Replace them all with people who have no worship nor fear of "political correctness."

Does anyone doubt for a second that this is a naked "in your face" challenge to the people who pay all their salaries?

Act, or enjoy the government you deserve.

42 posted on 02/01/2010 10:26:01 PM PST by Publius6961 (He is not America; he is an employee seemingly unable to rise to minimal expectations.)
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To: IncPen

shades of things to come. liberals/socialist/marxists or whatever greedy bastards are out there have killed the golden goose.

At this rate the US will shortly look like N Korea at night.

On the one hand might actually be able to see the stars again, on the other the animals will be roaming with impunity


62 posted on 02/02/2010 6:18:22 PM PST by Nailbiter
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