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Palin/Romney: Who Is Winning?
The Perpetual Post ^ | February 19, 2010 | Howard Megdal and Chris Pummer

Posted on 02/18/2010 10:03:43 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

HOWARD MEGDAL: The 2012 primaries are a long way off, but by any measure, Sarah Palin is the favorite right now to be the GOP standard-bearer in the next presidential election. GOP strategist Phil Musser, among many others, have come to this conclusion. I have felt this way since the fall of 2008, and nothing that has taken place since then has changed my mind.

When I evaluate presidential prospects for a nomination, I take several factors into account. I want to see that the person has a base of support-clearly, Sarah Palin has a strong set of GOP voters ready to support her. More specifically, I want to know the intensity level of her supporters; no one could have seen her stops on the book tour, with people waiting hours just to spend 15 seconds with her, and doubted that these are people who will turn out on a cold January Iowa night.

Next is determining whether the candidate can raise money. Usually, this is mostly a function of the enthusiasm, but in Palin’s case, there were some doubts that she could sufficiently organize to monetize that passion. But Palin raised $1.4 million in the second half of 2009, despite doing very little actual fundraising. She held no events, sent out very few e-mail solicitations. In other words, there is clearly a donor base she has already tapped into, and can continue to as the primary season draws closer.

Then, of course, there are the opponents. And while many of the potential candidates back in 2008 have dropped from the picture-you won’t see John Ensign or Mark Sanford in the race, and almost certainly not Bobby Jindal, either- the one 2008 candidate who is in the picture is Mitt Romney. Indeed, he managed to raise $2.1 million during the period of time Palin raised $1.4 million.

But money was always going to be Romney’s principal advantage in a 2012 race. It was his trump card in 2008, too. But let’s not forget- it wasn’t actually a trump card. Romney was too slick for GOP voters to swallow. They voted for Mike Huckabee in Iowa, and took John McCain, a candidate many of them barely tolerate, over Romney in the GOP battle as a whole.

In other words, facing a severely underfunded Huckabee and a poor candidate disliked by the GOP base in McCain, Romney was too inauthentic to come close to sealing the deal.

Now, in 2012, Romney will have the same financial edge, though Palin’s passion will likely dull that edge somewhat. But Romney now plans to run not as the liberal who faced Ted Kennedy in 1994, or the social conservative who ran in 2008, but as an economic conservative in 2012. It is yet another shift for a candidate facing Palin, whose entire appeal can be traced to her voters seeing her as authentic.

Those ready to dismiss Palin also point to the recent poll that revealed 71 percent of Americans don’t think Sarah Palin is qualified to be president. But notice that the number, among Republicans, hovers around 45 percent.

Back in August 2007, a Democratic candidate for president named Barack Obama had an unsolvable problem: only 44 percent of Democrats thought he could handle a foreign crisis. A majority of Democrats didn’t think, in other words, he was qualified to be president less than five months before the Iowa caucuses.

But passion won out. And while Sarah Palin is no Barack Obama, I think it is safe to say that Mitt Romney is no Hillary Clinton. There’s a long way to go, but as of right now, Palin is the nominee. And the first GOP debates will be here faster than you can wink.

CHRIS PUMMER: Mitt Romney has the steadiest political hands that will try to reach for the 2012 Republican nomination, which is why he’ll be the likely winner.

There’s no doubt Romney will raise more money than anyone else. Even those touting Palin as a potential money machine are beginning to cede that point. And the only potential candidate that looks like he could build a better organization is Mike Huckabee, and his decision to run or not looks very uncertain.

But as President Barack Obama’s popularity slides, the 2012 election looks more winnable for the GOP. That means the party is more likely to choose a credible candidate.

Palin is not a credible candidate. Her celebrity is her only strength, but the longer she’s been in the public eye, the less the public likes seeing her. Or if you prefer the most charitable view, Palin isn’t winning any new converts.

We’ve heard the excuses from Palin apologists; on disappointing fundraising (”She was busy governing Alaska!” followed by “She was busy writing a book!”; on organizing (”You don’t need a ground game with that many loyal Facebook friends!”); on being able to broaden her base of support (”It’s big enough to win a rump GOP primary!”); and even her startling lack of knowledge on any issue (”She’s giving them just what they need to hear!”).

All of the political pundits assuring us of a Palin coronation seem to be attributing qualities to the former half-term governor that she just doesn’t have.

While Palin has an informal group of advisers that seem to be withholding any good advice, Romney still has the political machine from his 2008 presidential bid intact.

While Palin was cashing a check for speaking to a group that’s on the fringe even for a GOP base, Romney is quietly traveling around the country on his own dime building on his base of support.

And while Palin jumped into the middle of a civil war in NY-23, endorsing a candidate who lost the campaign and a long-held seat for the Republican Party in the House of Representatives, Romney was a strong figure behind the election of Scott Brown to the Senate that shifted the balance of power in Washington and has the Democratic Party on its heels.

If financial and organizational advantages weren’t enough, the primary playing field probably also favors Romney.

Nate Silver recently took a look at how the primary might play out. Even with the voting schedule still undecided, Romney has the most clear-cut path to victory. Win in Iowa — which Romney almost did two years ago — and then in New Hampshire — where he was also a close second in 2008 — and he’ll be unstoppable. Just win New Hampshire and Romney can probably win a war of attrition.

This doesn’t mean we should start etching the word inevitable on Romney’s candidacy. A Huckabee bid certainly complicates things for him, especially since the former Arkansas governor could be favored to win Iowa and South Carolina again.

Should the field be winnowed down quickly, some of Romney’s disadvantages become more damaging.

Some Evangelicals will simply not be comfortable with a Mormon candidate. Some tea party purists won’t like a politician that advanced health care reform while governing Massachusetts.

But even if Romney can’t begin with a bang in Iowa, a crowded field of candidates probably also favors him. A marginal candidate like Rick Santorum won’t peel away as many social conservatives from his column (like he would Palin or Huckabee). Gary Johnson won’t relegate him further into also-ran status (Ron Paul).

And this time around Romney will have a stronger identity. He doesn’t have to try to be everything to everyone like in 2008. Instead Romney can let Tim Pawlenty do that while finishing third.

Having been there before counts for something. Romney’s already lost the game of musical chairs once. But having experienced it means he’s better-positioned to grab the last seat this time around.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Philosophy; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2012; fundraising; huckabee; madamepresident; mythromney; palin; presidentpalin; rino; romney; ronhuckromney; sarahpalin
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She'll be getting a big $2 million dollar check just as quick as I can bundle it.
1 posted on 02/18/2010 10:03:43 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I would be surprised if either are our nominee.


2 posted on 02/18/2010 10:04:46 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’m waiting to hear her own take on issues. She’s voiced support for McCain’s wretched issues; some reasonably presume she only did so because she had to. Fair enough, but let’s hear her views, now.

Other candidates include Sen. John Thune of South Dakota, Gov. Tim Pawlenty of Minnesota, not counting out Gov. Mike Huckabee of Arkansas or Gov. Bobby Jindal of Louisiana.


3 posted on 02/18/2010 10:08:12 PM PST by dangus (Nah, I'm not really Jim Thompson, but I play him on FR.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Or for a real dark horse, Gov. Bob McDonnell of Virginia.


4 posted on 02/18/2010 10:09:01 PM PST by dangus (Nah, I'm not really Jim Thompson, but I play him on FR.)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
I would be surprised if either are our nominee.

I know Mitt won't be our candidate.

With all the money he threw at the 2008 election and he couldn't even win against the worst possible candidate the GOP could put up in McCain, there is no way he wins if a candidate like Palin wins that actually excites the base.
5 posted on 02/18/2010 10:09:13 PM PST by SoConPubbie
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Who do you suppose will be. Do you think there is anyone that will excite people to get out and vote, other than Palin or Romney?


6 posted on 02/18/2010 10:09:47 PM PST by Sarah-bot (Savage is the only one qualified to become the first female President)
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To: dangus
I’m waiting to hear her own take on issues. She’s voiced support for McCain’s wretched issues; some reasonably presume she only did so because she had to. Fair enough, but let’s hear her views, now.

Which issues?

care to back that up with facts and links?

She's been out there on almost a daily basis giving you, me, and the rest of America her positions on the issues.
7 posted on 02/18/2010 10:10:44 PM PST by SoConPubbie
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To: dangus

What is Bob McDonnell like? Will people crawl over broken glass to vote for him. Does he have charisma?


8 posted on 02/18/2010 10:11:27 PM PST by Sarah-bot (Savage is the only one qualified to become the first female President)
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To: SoConPubbie

Maybe, but...

Mitt got him a machine, Palin does not.

That sillyness is too many years away to worry about now, time now to look at 2010 and get the Obomabots and RINOs thown out!


9 posted on 02/18/2010 10:12:22 PM PST by ASOC (In case of attack, tune to 640 kilocycles or 1240 kilocycles on your AM dial.)
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To: Sarah-bot
Distraction. What matters to me is that SP understands what is at stake in 2010 and is active engaged. Romney isn't. That will hurt in 2012. Man needs to get off the stinking fence and stand for something. Speechifying at the CPAC doesn't count.
10 posted on 02/18/2010 10:13:04 PM PST by gov_bean_ counter (Sarah Palin - For such a time as this...)
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To: dangus
Other candidates include Sen. John Thune of South Dakota, Gov. Tim Pawlenty of Minnesota, not counting out Gov. Mike Huckabee of Arkansas or Gov. Bobby Jindal of Louisiana.

John Thune, maybe, the rest of your list are non-starters for one reaon or another.

Pawlenty came out strong for Global Warming as did the Huckster at one point.

Besides that Pawlenty is boring!

The Huckster can only practice identity politics and is a big believer in Big Government as his history as Governer shows.

Bobby Jindal comes across like a cross between a little child and someone on Prosac.
11 posted on 02/18/2010 10:14:09 PM PST by SoConPubbie
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To: SoConPubbie

“A pathway to citizenship,” the bailout, Arctic warming.


12 posted on 02/18/2010 10:14:33 PM PST by dangus (Nah, I'm not really Jim Thompson, but I play him on FR.)
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To: SoConPubbie

I wouldn’t go so far as to say that he will not be our candidate. Their are a lot of people throwing Palin under the bus right now over the McCain thing and I am not sure there efforts will not result in a Romney win. I am building a great disdain for the people who are coming out against Palin over this issue. How quickly and willingly they forget her support for Hoffman.


13 posted on 02/18/2010 10:15:07 PM PST by Sarah-bot (Savage is the only one qualified to become the first female President)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If you think the attacks against Palin are vicious and extreme now, wait until she becomes President! Only then will the high-water mark be set, against which all other past and future hate/vitriol/calumny/libel campaigns will be judged and measured.


14 posted on 02/18/2010 10:15:31 PM PST by sourcery (Socialism is the idea that the fruits of your labor belong to the State....)
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To: Sarah-bot

Charisma, yes.
Sarah’s league, no.
He did win in a purple-turning blue state by 18 points.


15 posted on 02/18/2010 10:15:42 PM PST by dangus (Nah, I'm not really Jim Thompson, but I play him on FR.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Win in Iowa — which Romney almost did two years ago — and then in New Hampshire — where he was also a close second in 2008 — and he’ll be unstoppable.
That's not just wrong it's dead wrong. Romney didn't almost win Iowa. Romney lost Iowa by 9 freakin' points after spending US$11 million and 6 months on the ground building the most sophisticated campaign operation the state had ever seen. Yet Romney lost it all to a man who showed up at the last minute, with no money, and with no message other than "I'm not Romney," which I have to admit is a compelling message if your only other option is Romney.

Romney consistently outspent his rivals by 2-1, sometime 3 or even 4-1 yet got creamed in state after state except in MI where he promised the automobile industry a US$40 million bailout.

Go Mitt!
16 posted on 02/18/2010 10:16:02 PM PST by dotan
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To: SoConPubbie

I’m not making endorsements, just reporting. Frankly, I’m very hopeful towards Palin.


17 posted on 02/18/2010 10:17:04 PM PST by dangus (Nah, I'm not really Jim Thompson, but I play him on FR.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Palin/ Cheney or the other way around. It’s time for women to take charge.


18 posted on 02/18/2010 10:17:08 PM PST by Blonde
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To: SoConPubbie

I wish we had a decent governor to choose from. Jindal was horrible in that Repub rebuttal he did. I was much more impressed with a presser he did prior to a hurricane. He delivered most of the details, knew the answers to questions, gave a strong appeal to evacuate. All the things that were missing in the last governor.


19 posted on 02/18/2010 10:17:24 PM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: ASOC
Mitt got him a machine, Palin does not.

Yea, he had that same machine in 2008 and lost miserably, and he can grease the skids with everyone in the elites and in the GOP establishment and it ain't going to mean a thing in this new Tea-Party atmosphere we are living in.

His ambivilence with respect to his positions on the issues, his support for RomneyCare, and dare I say it, his Mormonism(which a certain % of the GOP base will not vote for under any circumstances) means he is unelectable.
20 posted on 02/18/2010 10:17:27 PM PST by SoConPubbie
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