Posted on 02/23/2010 11:20:37 AM PST by nickcarraway
With blatant disregard for the first amendment, Republicans' intolerance of US secularism means things are turning ugly
If you're part of secular America – that is, if you're an atheist, an agnostic, a religious liberal or even a mainstream believer who thinks religion should be kept out of politics and vice-versa – then you should be very afraid of what the Republican party has in store for you in 2012.
No news there, you might say. The Republicans, as we all know, have been in thrall to the Christian right since the Reagan era. But there's something new, something more intolerant, something truly ugly in the works. And if you don't believe me, let's start with Tim Pawlenty, unassuming governor of Minnesota in his day job, fire-breathing Christian warrior and aspiring presidential candidate in his spare time.
"I want to share with you four ideas that I think should carry us forward," Pawlenty said on Friday at the annual gathering of the Conservative Political Action Committee, or CPAC. After invoking "basic constitutional principle and basic common sense," he continued: "The first one is this: God's in charge. God is in charge ... In the Declaration of Independence it says we are endowed by our creator with certain unalienable rights. It doesn't say we're endowed by Washington, DC, or endowed by the bureaucrats or endowed by state government. It's by our creator that we are given these rights."
Never mind Pawlenty's fundamental and no doubt deliberate misreading of the founders' intent. (Thomas Jefferson, the primary author of the Declaration of Independence, is well-known for having cut up a Bible to remove all supernatural references to Jesus.) How, in practice, does Pawlenty envision "God's in charge" as a governing principle?
(Excerpt) Read more at guardian.co.uk ...
If you’re part of secular America – that is, if you’re an atheist, an agnostic, a religious liberal or even a mainstream believer who thinks religion should be kept out of politics and vice-versa – then you should be very afraid of what the Republican party has in store for you in 2012.
HELL these turkeys in the media don’t even pay attention to Obama’s own brand of Christianity:
Would Jesus pray to block health care for needy? (Two bag barf-alert)
Orlando Sentinel ^ | December 24, 2009 | Mike Thomas
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2414585/posts
People are praying for many things during this holy season. But perhaps the most unusual request of all comes from religious conservatives, including some in Congress. They staged an Internet “prayercast’’ to block the health-care legislation being voted on today in the Senate. Given that Democrats have the 60 votes lined up to pass it, they may have to call in Benny Hinn to pull off this miracle. How exactly does one pray against health care?
Jesus The Socialist
World Mag ^ | 12/24/09 | Cal Thomas
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2414475/posts
Apparently not content with his congressional majority that wishes to force Americans on a long march to healthcare disaster, President Obama has invoked the name of Jesus to broadcast his gospel of spreading the wealth around...The president spoke of what Jesus “symbolizes for people all around the world,” which he said, “is the possibility of peace and people treating each other with respect.” And then, in the best tradition of a community organizer, the president said Jesus is about “doing something for other people.” Even the “three wise men” were invoked to support the president’s idea of wealth redistribution: “. . . [T]hese guys . . . have all this money, they’ve got all this wealth and power, and they took a long trip to a manger just to see a little baby.”...And what conclusion should be drawn from that journey? The president told the children, “. . . [I]t just shows you that because you’re powerful or you’re wealthy, that’s not what’s important. What’s important is . . . the kind of spirit you have.”
Obama’s “Christ”mas (Obamacare) gift to the masses (Xmas Eve Vote A Conspiracy?)
Gabrielle Cusumano via Townhall Blogs ^ | December 21, 2009 | Gabrielle Cusumano
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2412481/posts
Was Jesus A Socialist?
Fightin Words ^ | November 24, 2009 | Walter Scott Hudson
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2393409/posts
There is a charge among some left-leaning professed Christians that conservative social policies neglect Christ’s commission to minister to the poor. Does the parable of the sheep and the goats in Matthew 25 imply Christians should petition their government to enforce “redistributive justice?” Jack Clark thinks so. We excerpt Clark’s podcast, Blast the Right, and consider his “equivalent alternative solutions challenge;” it is fine to oppose government programs which provide for the poor, Clark says, but only if you can present an equivalent alternative solution which will help just as many people, in the just the same way, just as fast...
Is Michael Moore a Jesus Freak?
The Atlas Society - The Center for Objectivism ^ | October 12, 2009 | Edward Hudgins
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2360633/posts
Moore asks, “Would Jesus be a capitalist?” He answers that capitalism “is opposite everything that Jesus ... taught” and that all religions are clear about one thing: “It is evil to take the majority of the pie and leave what’s left for everyone to fight over.” ...Moore says that Jesus “told us that we had to be our brother’s and sister’s keepers and that the riches that did exist were to be divided fairly.” Moore argues that one cannot be a capitalist and a Christian because “you can’t love money AND your neighbor.”
Michael Moore Tries to Out-Church Sean Hannity
US News & World Report ^ | October 07, 2009 | Dan Gilgoff
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2357832/posts
When Hannity suggests possible political labels for Moore, the filmmaker responds: “Christian.” Then Moore quizzes the Fox News host, a fellow Catholic, on the last time he’s been to mass. Trying to out-church him, Moore implies that Hannity is fibbing about having attended mass last weekend.
It’s no accident that Moore’s new openness about his religious faith is coming now, after the Democratic Party has spent five years urging its members to speak up about their faith to combat the conventional wisdom that the GOP is more religion-friendly. That campaign has spilled over to the broader liberal movement in a big way. But if Moore, Barack Obama, and Nancy Pelosi are all spokespeople for the left’s faith-friendliness, where’s the national leader of the left’s fast-growing secular wing?
Bishop V. Gene Robinson: Where is the Christian perspective on health care?
Manchester Union Leader ^ | oct. 2, 2009 | Bishop Vickie Gene Robinson
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2355347/posts
Liberal Religious Leaders Lobby for Liberal Health Care
Townhall.com ^ | September 30, 2009 | Jillian Bandes
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2351457/posts
The public option was excised out of the Senate Finance Committee’s health care legislation just two days after the conclusion of a massive two-month effort from religious groups that lobbied for the controversial provision. The leaders of the 40 Days For Health Care Reform campaign emphasized that their effort was designed to promote increased access to health care no matter what the political flavor. But in the midst of intensive debate over the Democrats health care bills, the effort was seen largely as a religious push for Obamacare – specifically, universal coverage.
Did you just hear Kucinich? {IDIOT}
Posted on Wednesday, September 23, 2009
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2346672/posts
Speaking about the need for health care on Fox Business, he quoted Jesus. He reminded us that Jesus said, ... “when I was hungry, did you feed me? When I was sick, did you care for me?”
Liberal Bernard Whitman Asks Conservatives “What Would Jesus Do?” About Health Care - Video
Freedom’s Lighthouse ^ | September 08, 2009 | Michael
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2334831/posts
Here is video of Bernard Whitman and Tucker Carlson talking with Martha MacCallum about health care. Bernard Whitman said “the fact that in this day health care is not considered a basic and fundamental human right in this country is an absolute disgrace,” and asked “what would Jesus do?” After Whitman says this you can hear Tucker Carlson chuckling in the background.
MSNBC’s Schultz: ‘I Believe Jesus Would Vote Yes for a Public Option’
Newsbusters ^ | September 3, 2009 | Jeff Poor
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2331174/posts
What would Jesus do? Well, Ed Schultz thinks he knows - that is on health care reform at least. Schultz, on his Sept. 2 MSNBC program, “The ED Show” told viewers he believed Jesus would vote for a government public option. That, he said, was to the dismay of some on religious right, or what he used the pejorative “Bible thumpers” to describe. “Now, I have been referring to the health care reform deal as the real moral issue of our time,” Schultz said. “I believe Jesus would vote yes for a public option, but some Bible thumpers don’t see me eye to eye on this one.”
Kennedy Grandson Prays For ‘Quality Health Care’ For ‘Every American’
Breitbart TV ^ | 29 Aug 2009 | Breitbart.com
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2328711/posts
“For what my grandpa called the cause of his life, as he said that every American have decent quality health care as a fundamental right and not a privilege, we pray to the Lord.”
Obamacare: The Left’s Mor(t)al High Ground
NetRight Nation ^ | August 31, 2009 | Victor Morawski
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2328702/posts
Barack Obama has apparently now been advised to shift the ground in the debate over health care reform, to get it away from discussions about specific provisions in the pending legislation (whether it will force us to unplug grandma or use our tax dollars to pay for others’ abortions) and get it onto a far loftier moral high ground. This he did last weekend in a conference call to liberal clergy, urging them to endorse universal health care because of what he has decided is all part of the biblical injunction to “be our brother’s keeper.”
Religious Left Panics over Obamacare Troubles
FrontPageMagazine.com ^ | August 24, 2009 | Mark D. Tooley
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2323113/posts
For the Religious Left, socialized medicine has long been almost the moral equivalent of the Second Coming. So increasing political turbulence for Obamacare is creating panic and fear among the true believers. Must we wait still longer, they now imploring wonder, with sadness and rage.
Obama Seeks Health Care Salvation With Religious Left
The Bulletin ^ | August 23, 2009 | Joe Murray
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2322654/posts
Hoping to find saving grace with the religious left, President Barack Obama began a public relations blitz Thursday in which he hope to wrap universal health care in the shroud of morality. “We are God’s partners in matters of life and death,” Mr. Obama reportedly said in a conference call with Rabbi Jack Moline and other clerics. The conference was part of an effort to enlist left leaning clergy in the failing battle for Obamacare.
A Religious Element In The Health Reform Debate?
IBD Editorials ^ | August 21, 2009 | RAGHAVAN MAYUR
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2321726/posts
O’Reilly 8-19-09: “If Jesus Was Here...”
www.moxnews.com ^ | 08-19-09 | via moxnews.com
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2321160/posts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5HJszTnuQw
Sister Campbell: “We’ve got 47 million people that don’t have access to health care.”
BOR: “No they do, they walk into any emergency room in the country, they have access to health care FREE.”
Sister Campbell: “Oh but then, please, please, then consider what that then does to those of us that have insurance, how it escalates OUR costs!”
What Would Jesus Do? Ask Obama
Townhall. com ^ | August 21, 2009 | David Harsanyi
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2321120/posts
This week, President Barack Obama claimed his version of health care reform is “a core ethical and moral obligation,” beseeching religious leaders to promote his government-run scheme. Questioning the patriotism of opponents, apparently, wasn’t gaining the type of traction advocates of “reform” had hoped. “I know there’s been a lot of misinformation in this debate, and there are some folks out there who are frankly bearing false witness,” Obama said, invoking the frightening specter of the Ten Commandments.
Obama Tells Ministers It’s a Sin to Oppose Obamacare
ECR ^ | 19 Aug 09 | EC
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2320170/posts
In a stunning display of audacity, President Obama took the opportunity of a conference call with ministers to strongly imply that his opponents were misrepresenting his healthcare plan and “bearing false witness” before reminding them that “I am my brother’s keeper.”
- OK Mr. President... other than the fact that the majority of misrepresentation and lies seem to be coming from your White House, as far as I know the Bible never says that “I am my brother’s keeper.” Genesis 4:9 asks “Am I my brother’s keeper?”... but the question is unanswered. Even if the answer is YES... how does that jibe with what you’re really saying... which is “Government is my brother’s keeper.” Misinformation and false witness, indeed.
Separation of Church and Health Care
Aug 18, 2009 | Always Right
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2318716/posts
One aspect of this health care debate that is not receiving much attention is how this massive health care will affect religious provided health facilities. About 10% of the nation’s hospitals are owned by the Catholic Church. Many states have heartburn with some of the exemption clauses that the Catholic Churches have, and have tried to force these religion institutions to provide care that they have conscious objections to like abortions and birth control. When health care dollars are completely under the umbrella of federal regulation, what will that mean for the religious freedom of these hospital and health care providers?
Obama to Discuss Health Care Today With Faith Groups (info on how to listen in)
ncr ^ | August 19, 2009 | Tom McFeely http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2319663/posts
At 5 p.m. Eastern time today, President Barack Obama will participate in a BlogTalkRadio discussion about his health-care reform plans. The discussion is sponsored by faith-based groups who back reform. The meeting is sponsored by “40 Days for Health Reform,” a group organized by more than 30 religious organizations to support Obama’s reform initiative. Three Catholic organizations are listed on the “40 Days for Health Reform” website as sponsors: Network — A National Catholic Social Justice Lobby; Catholics United; and Catholics in Alliance for the Common Good.
‘Bearing False Witness’: Obama Tells Religious Leaders Health Care Critics Are Guilty of Sin (audio)
Faith for Health ^ | August 19, 2009
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2320065/posts
“These are all fabrications that have been put out there in order to discourage people from meeting what I consider to be a core ethical and moral obligation, and that is to look out for each other.”
Obama makes moral case for health reform
AFP ^ | 8-19-08 | Stephen Collinson
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2319977/posts
WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama Wednesday said America, as the world’s richest nation, had a moral duty to offer health care to everyone, in a fresh bid to bolster support for his top domestic priority. Obama addressed thousands of people in a call with left-leaning religious faith leaders, as the White House tried to still disquiet among liberals, and fierce opposition among Republicans, to his under-fire health care plan.
President Obama has no authority and a Constituional PROHIBITION on imposing his own “moral obligations” on US taxpayers in the name of biblical interpretations.
Believing that “God is in charge” is intolerant? Wow, I have to get some political correctness sensitivity training right away. I was still under the outdated impression that I was endowed by my creator with certain rights, including the free exercise of religion, that were protected under the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America. I didn’t know that my natural, God-given rights and legal rights had been modified to permit that free exercise but only as long as any religious actions or thoughts are kept in secret and prevented from affecting any of my actions.
Ohhh, maybe it's those arrogant globalists again, just interfering in others' business, that seems to be the only thing they know. But then considering the jackasses at Harvard University I guess what's good for one is good for the other.
Johnny Suntrade
LLS
Only remedies I can come up with would be:
1. Complete defunding of the Establishment religious education system.
2. Voucher system to parents/legal guardians, to be spent on private, parochial, home, or other non-Establishment religious education (that is to say all K-12 schooling), with the proviso enshrined that the government cannot restrict in any way who the parents can choose as teachers, or the facilities where the education takes place, or the hours spent in the education of the children.
Of course, my estimate of this happening, absent 218/67/5 (218 House Constitutionalists, 67 Senator, and 5 Supreme Court Justices), are nil. And of course a similar change at pre-K and and post-12 is needed. Defund the secular Establishmentarians (aka the Marxist Left)!
The fundamental misunderstanding which socialists promote (and which, generally, they believe themselves) is that Christian belief exists to promote self righteousness. Socialists impose that template on any discussion of Christians.It is perfectly true that Christians are prone to fall into that error - but it is the furthest thing from the truth to say that selfrighteousness is possible only in the Christian. In fact, the assumption that you yourself cannot be self righteous is self righteousness.
Self righteousness is just another word for the classical vice of arrogance.
I suppose that Dan Kennedy and ``The Guardian'' (the name itself is steeped in irony) would have no problem with this revision:
s/God/Allah/gPawlenty spoke the truth.
After living under under the reign devout Christian Obama, devout Catholics Biden and Pelosi, and devout Mormon Reid, I look forward to electing Republicans so we can get religion out of politics for a change. /s
More lib fear-mongering and know-nothing crap from the Brit socialists who write this junk. Fail.
Heh heh!
Considering the Founding Fathers were almost 100% Christian, this sounds laughable. "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." --October 11, 1798 John Adams
No but they do have the beginnings of Sharia Law being implemented first in family matters only, and we all know the nose of the camel under the tent analogy.
For later read
I do wish conservatives would focus more on secular arguments rather than religious ones. For example, without any reference at all to religion, one can note that almost every society since time immemorial has recognized an exclusive relationship between man and woman in ways that no other interpersonal relationship is recognized. Even societies that are completely alien to each other would recognize each others’ (male-female) marriages. Why must conservatives blur the issue with religious arguments?
"Can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just."
The guy confuses Jefferson’s peculiar religious beliefs with the rhetoric he used in the Declaration. THAT was consensus language, as is usual in a public document where he speaks for the whole Congress. The same thing may be said about Lincoln’s 2nd Inaugural Address. And contrary to liberal opinion, most of the Founders were churchgoers in a country where most people did not (yet) go to church. The First Speaker of the House was a minister. In any case, the country, beginning in the 1790s, in reaction to French atheism, began to move into he churches. By 1860 the great majority of Americans belonged to a Protestant Church congregation, while most of the recent immigrants were Roman Catholic. Just before the cvil war, in the wake of a sharp economic down term, there was a religious revival centered on Wall Street, of all places. Movies of the civil war seldom show how army camps were often the scenes of revivals, so that one thing that Confederate veterans brought home from the war was that relgiosity
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