Do the Math – Stay Home and 3rd Party Voters did NOT put Obama in the White House

2/24/2010 | Pan_Yan

[Pan_Yan]

Do the Math – Stay Home and 3^rd Party Voters did NOT put Obama in the White House

2004		2008
Total votes cast	122,267,553	Total votes cast	131,257,328
George Bush	62,040,610	Barack Obama	69,029,444
John F. Kerry	59,028,444	John McCain	59,934,814
3rd Party	1,186,482	3rd Party	1,845,892
Nuts*	538,761	Nuts*	920,965
3rd Party – Nuts*	647,721	3rd Party – Nuts*	924,927

Nuts* - Ralph Nader, Green Party, Socialist Party, Socialist Workers Party, Party for Socialism and Liberty

Obama – McCain         9,522,083

Bush – McCain            2,105,796

            Let’s look at that 3^rd party straw man. There was a 55% increase in 3^rd party votes from 2004 to 2008.  However, nuts* voting increased 71%.  Not-quite-as-nuts* voting (all 3^rd party minus nuts*) only went up 43% by comparison.  In 2004 3^rd parties made up 0.97% of the total vote.  In 2008 3^rd parties made up 1.406% an astounding increase of 0.436% of the total vote.

            If you take all the people who voted for Bush but did not vote for McCain (2,105,796), and add ALL third party voters including nuts* (1,845,892), you get 3,292,287 votes.  Subtract this total from Obama’s margin of victory over McCain and you have a deficit of 6,229,805 votes.  According to certain pundits and FReepers there are 6,229,805 politically active ‘Conservatives’ that did not vote in 2004, decided they could not in good conscience vote for McCain, and yet were not willing to vote for anyone but an (R).  That is almost an impossible leap of logic.  Manufacturing voters like that is the forte of ACORN, not conservatives.

            I have heard the argument that the percentage of registered Republicans who voted was down in 2008.  Well too bad.   If the chosen (R) candidate was such a loser that the thought of comrade Obama in the White House couldn’t inspire his own (R) party members to vote for him then the cause was hopeless from the start.  Open primaries, infighting and poorly run primary campaigns left us with a pitiful nominee.  McCain refused to fight.  He had no conservative ideas, no clear fiscal policy, voted for the wildly unpopular TARP, and would not mention William Ayers, Frank Marshall Davis or Jeremiah Wright.  He refused to defend President Bush’s marvelous job protecting America for eight years, chanted his ‘Wall Street Greed’ mantra endlessly and was more passionate about Cap n’ Trade than the Constitution.  In fact, the only thing he did better than his opponent was pick a running mate.  Enough people voted for McCain, or at least against Obama, that he got more votes than John F. Kerry.  But he was completely unable to inspire any Independents when up against the affirmative action messiah.

            In conclusion, without thousands of enablers in the media and all his Washington drinking buddies, John McCain couldn’t talk hippies into smoking dope.  Without Governor Palin to prop up his limp, flaccid and tired campaign John McCain’s presidential run would have been an epic Mondale-level fail.  For the record, since so many people seem to forget, Governor Palin was not on the ballot for President.  So unless you had some inside knowledge that God would smite John McCain dead on January 21, 2009 you voted for him to become Commander in Chief, not Palin.  Most of us took Ann Coulter’s advice, got drunk and voted for McCain.  But Conservatives who didn’t take that option were not responsible for Obama’s victory.  Juan McMaverick was.  In retrospect we should have all just gotten drunk.

[Pan_Yan]

Now that we've settled that, let's stop losing the last election and find CONSERVATIVES to run in 2010 and 2012.

[freedumb2003]

Your numbers are meaningless.

You leave out the number of registered voters who stayed home. Your assertion that you don’t like the proposed number is as meaningless as saying there was another number.

Remember: 82.6% of all statistics posted on an online board are pulled out of the poster’s butt.

[Pan_Yan]

I’m afraid your post was incomprehensible.

[freedumb2003]

Your numbers about who stayed home are on par with the numbers used to substantiate Global Warming. Same methodology, same result.

[muawiyah]

Fair enough, but we have to put more effort into suppressing the Democrat vote ~ we had 'em with that "IT'S ON WEDNESDAY GUYS' business, but apparently the campaign managers forgot that so many of 'em can't read, or won't read!

Then there was the fact that we had REPUBLICANS crossing over to vote for this guy and his brain damaged running mate. Something about Biden's hair ~ least that's what I've seen even here on FR, particularly among the "founding population".

It does no good to turn out our troops if they turn against us. Better candidates should put a stop to that!

[Pan_Yan]

I am several billion dollars short of being able to use the same methodology.

[meyer]

ACORN and voter fraud helped, though. He likely got Ohio, Indiana, North Carolina, and Florida through fraud. Republicans had 6 years of control to deal with the situation and did not do so.

[Will88]

You’d have to have some facts about the normal battleground states, and Virginia and NC and others that went from red to blue. Nationwide totals don’t mean anything, and the stay at home conservatives would have been most critical in the closest states, and the red to blue states.

I haven’t seen any data that really provides what’s needed to analyze those factors.

[freedumb2003]

>>I am several billion dollars short of being able to use the same methodology.<<

Inventing data is zero cost. You get billions for convincing people you are collecting data.

Same methodology, same results. You just don’t get any money.

[Pan_Yan]

There is no doubt that massive fraud is becomeing more of an issue every election. However, it was not conservative fraud, apathy or ignorance that gave Obama the election.

[Pan_Yan]

I agree that a much more comprehensive comparison would be insightful. However, I think you would reach the same conclusion. John McCain was a rotten candidate. The loss was completely his fault, not the fault of conservative voters.

[Will88]

The loss was completely his fault, not the fault of conservative voters.

That's true, and I don't know how many conservatives actually stayed at home, but it significant numbers did stay at home it was because everyone knew McCain is a RINO and he also ran a terrible campaign.

[SoCalPol]

Recent election in Oregon

Jeff Merkley - D 864,392 49%

Gordon Smith - R 805,159 46%

David Brownlow Constitution Party 92,565 5%

60,000 of Brownlow’s votes to Smith would have
kept Merkley who pushes Obama’s agenda out of the Senate

The same situation played out for the Senate in Minnesora

[SoCalPol]

Sit at homes, Third Party and liberal voter fraud
gave us Obama

[Pan_Yan]

Sit at homes, Third Party and liberal voter fraud gave us Obama

Nice caveat you added on the end there.

[byteback]

Thanks for the numbers. Obama had a great turnout among minorities and young voters. Women also bought his message hook line and sinker. Obama only had 41% of white men. So basically we need to find out why suburban women like Obama so much.

[SoCalPol]

[SuperLuminal]

Who ever stated that 3rd party candidates put obamao in the WH? I've never seen such an absurdity!

The Texas twerp was the last 3rd party candidate to throw the election to the marxists.

The major "stay-at-home" effect was in the 2006 elections...That gave the marxists control of congress...

While 2008 had a "stay-at-home" contribution, it was the namby pamby wimp "I'm an independent" vote that shifted into the marxist column to put obamao in the WH.

[cherry]

why did you post this?...did someone assert that stay at homes or third party poopers gave zero the lead?

you post would be more interesting if you went from state to state and see how those votes played out....afterall, it might only take 20,000 votes to swing some states electoral votes....

but no matter....the real destroyer of America happens when third party poopers destroy the chances for good conservative or pub Senator or congressman, or governors....

oh how better would we be if we had just a few more votes in the house or senate....we'd be far better off...

but to satisfy you, I'll add that if you took the number of so-called good Americans who voted just to vote for "change" whatever that is...and the Americans who wanted to vote for the first nazi, I mean first BLACK to the presidency and of course you're varied group of nuts and hacks and idiot and ill informed then the likes of zero wouldn't have had a chance...

still intriques me that blacks or whites still think bama is some kind of black guy....

he's not...he's a nazi muslim leaning statist who has NOTHING in common with American blacks...

he has lived a charmed life....a rich life....he and Michelle my belle are part of the false elite...put there by their masters...

[RedMDer]

The Tea Party must not run third party candidates in any U.S. congressional election in November or at anytime. We need to reform the Republican party! kick out the Rinos! Defeat the Democrats in all races! Third party candidates will have the Ross Perot effect and will only insure the democrats controll of the U.S. congress and the destruction of America! ARE YOU LISTENING TEA PARTY! NO THIRD PARTY CANDIDATES! REFORM THE REPUBLICAN PARTY!!!

Snip from here:
http://www.resistnet.com/forum/topics/no-third-party-candidates