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House Panel Approves Armenian Genocide Resolution (Turkey withdraws US Ambassador)
Associated Press ^ | 3/4/10 | AP

Posted on 03/04/2010 2:15:10 PM PST by Gabrial

A congressional panel approved a resolution Thursday declaring the Ottoman-era killing of Armenians genocide over protests by Turkey, a NATO ally that is crucial to U.S. interests in the Middle East and Afghanistan.

Minutes after the vote, Turkey said it was recalling its ambassador from Washington.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: armenian; islam; obama; turkey
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To: ScreamingFist
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41 posted on 03/04/2010 3:57:52 PM PST by usurper (Liberals GET OFF MY LAWN)
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To: dr_who
I could understand why a Dem congress would want to embarrass Bush in 2007, but I find it surprising that Obama couldn't stop his own party from passing this sh*t. It just detracts from the elections in Iraq. Turkey has already had problems with the Kurds inside Turkey and in Iraq. Now the US has to raise an issue almost a one hundred years ago re Armenians.

We all know the real purpose was to appeal to the 1.5 million Armenain-American vote, especially in CA. There are very few Turks in America.

42 posted on 03/04/2010 3:58:35 PM PST by kabar
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To: ApplegateRanch
That would be like the Russian government getting its knickers in a knot of a condemnation of Stalin’s pogroms.

Try passing a resolution condemning Soviet genocide in the Ukraine. I bet the Russians wouldn't be thrilled with that.

43 posted on 03/04/2010 4:02:44 PM PST by ReignOfError
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To: kabar

Armenian culture interests me and I can sympathize with their dislike of Turkey insofar as it resembles the regime that killed Armenians back then, but if we haven’t passed this resolution by now, there’s got to be a very good reason why. And I suspect that it’s because the ripple effect of alienating turkey would be very bad for the country as a whole, even though the Armenian community might not care.


44 posted on 03/04/2010 4:05:45 PM PST by dr_who
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To: kabar

As for Obama being unable to control his own party, look at what he’s accomplished with healthcare so far and his apparent about-face on Turkey after the election. This isn’t too surprising. Resembles the Carter era.


45 posted on 03/04/2010 4:08:18 PM PST by dr_who
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To: usurper
Here are a few:

Yes, thanks, I'm obviously behind on this.

46 posted on 03/04/2010 4:11:28 PM PST by ScreamingFist
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To: dr_who
It is about domestic votes. Berman's district has lots of Armenians.

Can you imagine if the Turkish parliament passed a resolution condemning American genocide against the native Americans? Or lynchings of blacks?

Just like so many issues, the case of Turkish genocide against the Armenians is not shut and closed. There are two sides to this story. And the 27 attacks perpetrated against Turkish diplomats and their facilities in the 1980s by Armenian terrorists must be part of the context. A US Congrsssional resolution could reignite such attacks.

The pulling of the Turkish ambassador is just the beginning if the Administration doesn't stop this at the committee level.

47 posted on 03/04/2010 4:13:49 PM PST by kabar
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To: dr_who

His about-face on Turkey is due to the changed political reality. It is one thing to say something about Turkish genocide as a senator or candidate, but now he has the responsibility for dealing with the consequences as President. The Turks can make life a little more difficult for our CIC in the region.


48 posted on 03/04/2010 4:17:49 PM PST by kabar
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To: kabar
Can you imagine if the Turkish parliament passed a resolution condemning American genocide against the native Americans? Or lynchings of blacks?

Yeah, sounds exactly like something a less friendly muzzie country or the PLO would do to make their Israel-hating constituents/subjects/peons happy.
49 posted on 03/04/2010 4:26:03 PM PST by dr_who
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To: kabar

Are you suggesting that the genocide was sort of like the conflicts in the Balkans?


50 posted on 03/04/2010 4:27:43 PM PST by dr_who
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To: dr_who
There is plenty of blame on both sides. And in that part of the world, grudges and revenge go back centuries. I lived three years in Greece. The visceral hatred for the Turks goes back a long time, certainly before Cyprus and Constantinople. A lot of it is based on religion and on geography and history -- the Ottoman Empire.

It does indeed resemble the "Balkan Ghosts." The US should stay out of it. IMO it is like trying to get involved in a domestic quarrel. You just can't win.

51 posted on 03/04/2010 4:34:46 PM PST by kabar
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To: dr_who
Are you suggesting that the genocide was sort of like the conflicts in the Balkans?

Interesting way to put it. I lived in Diyarbakir for a year. Kurds shooting Turkish school teachers is one of those "un-reported" facts, the Turks hunted them down without mercy. But everyone on FR love the Kurds now.....

There is always two sides to a story.

52 posted on 03/04/2010 4:44:20 PM PST by ScreamingFist
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To: kabar
The so-called "Armenian Genocide" is a mixture of fact, exaggeration, and misrepresentation. Unfortunately, many Armenians have twisted history to fit their goals of anti-Turkish propaganda, while many Turks have taken a completely ridiculous denier position.

There were mass killings of Armenians, at least partly planned by the Turkish government. There were also several hundreds of thousands of deaths from disease, civil unrest, and starvation, not limited to Armenians.

"Genocide" is a technical term; independent scholars sometimes use "mass killings" or other terms to refer to the tragedy.

53 posted on 03/04/2010 4:50:07 PM PST by Crichton
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To: kabar
His about-face on Turkey is due to the changed political reality.

probably more accurate to say that nothing has changed except that Obama finally faced reality...sorta.
54 posted on 03/04/2010 4:50:12 PM PST by dr_who
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To: kabar
I lived three years in Greece.

Me too! 1980-83. I was also with the Turks when they deployed for joint F-16 operations with the Greeks. It was......a LOT of fun. Ouzo and Raki......and lots of food. As one Turk said on the way home......"We're all brothers". Apparently politicians are too damn stupid to put the past behind them.

55 posted on 03/04/2010 4:50:20 PM PST by ScreamingFist
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To: Gabrial
RE: Many think Hitler adopted techniques from the Turks on how to kill massive numbers of people efficiently.

.. and some think that Kaiser Wilhelm II's troops participated
"'German Responsibility in the Armenian Genocide: A Review of the Historical Evidence of German Complicity" by Vahakn N. Dadrian.

Shouldn't there be demands for Germany to explain?

In my reply above #7 there is a link to a 1915 NY Times article: the Turks and Kurds were both doing the crime. Shouldn't there be demands for the Kurds to confess?

IMO Turkey avoids the word genocide while admitting that horrific acts occurred but also wonders about the lack of concern for the Turk civilian victims of the Russians and Armenians who were fighting the Turks (allies of Germany). I believe that there is no disputing that the Ottomans forcibly deported thousands of Armenians during the W.W.I era.

Why the word genocide when even the Armenians say the word is secondary? That too is explained by a link in reply #7.

56 posted on 03/04/2010 4:57:16 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: ScreamingFist

Yes. The request for US help says 1915. Well in 1915 Smedly Butler, USMC, then a Major, earned a medal of honor in Haiti. Wilson had pledged not to involve the US into the War called WWI. In fact, we did not declare war until 1917.

We have people unemployed, all kinds of serious issues that require these clowns to work, and; these same clowns worry about 1915? Damn, do we really want a congressional panel wasting the money we pay their sad asses to meet about mass murders in 1915 and earlier? We have bigger things to solve.


57 posted on 03/04/2010 5:01:40 PM PST by Lumper20
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To: Lumper20
RE: "Damn, do we really want a congressional panel wasting the money we pay their sad asses to meet about mass murders in 1915 and earlier? We have bigger things to solve."

That too. Also, it angers me that foreign governments are competing for influence over our Congress -- I have one representative and two senators. Foreign governments (and there are many) get 435 representatives and 100 senators! Taint fair, McGee.

58 posted on 03/04/2010 5:09:06 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: kabar
Can you imagine if the Turkish parliament passed a resolution condemning American genocide against the native Americans? Or lynchings of blacks?

No, I couldn't - because there are no descendants (to speak of) of native American or black (American) heritage living in Turkey.

Point being, is that (obviously) there are interests groups in Washington that have the Money and Influence to pressure Congress to deal with this "situation." Otherwise, Congress would not be dealing with this issue - they just don't behave altruistically.

59 posted on 03/04/2010 5:21:39 PM PST by LjubivojeRadosavljevic
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To: LjubivojeRadosavljevic; Joe Boucher
Point being, is that (obviously) there are interests groups in Washington that have the Money and Influence to pressure Congress to deal with this "situation." Otherwise, Congress would not be dealing with this issue - they just don't behave altruistically.

What? I thought the Turks were evil bastards, now you tell us there might be some kind of political influence involved......?

Common Joe. Pontificate on what you know about......Turkey.

60 posted on 03/04/2010 5:34:02 PM PST by ScreamingFist
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