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Submarine sailors sound off on integrating women
Daily Press ^ | March 6, 2010 | Tamara Dietrich

Posted on 03/07/2010 12:04:41 PM PST by SloopJohnB

Push for integrating women into the submarine service and expect the language to get a little ... salty.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailypress.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bhodod; diversity; femalecrew; militarywomen; sailors; submarine; usnavy
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Obama’s first in a line of liberal-class submarines for our ‘sensitive’ Navy.

On a serious note, here is additional specific information:

Military.com

Besides the incoming officers from the academy, the first women submariners will include female supply corps officers at the department head level, Roughead said. The change will be phased in over time to include enlisted female Sailors on the SSBN and SSGNs, he said. Women will be added to the Navy's SSN fast-attack submarines after necessary modifications can be determined, he said.

1 posted on 03/07/2010 12:04:41 PM PST by SloopJohnB
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To: SloopJohnB

That’s a picture of the submarine USS Lindsey Graham.


2 posted on 03/07/2010 12:06:09 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: SloopJohnB

Operation Petticoat!


3 posted on 03/07/2010 12:09:18 PM PST by dennisw (It all comes 'round again --Fairport)
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To: SloopJohnB

If the feeling is that the women are straight, then everyone will try to bed them. Those who are not lucky will be a little put off, maybe. And if these woman are gay, they will be resented, and the men will be putting up with someone who goes out of their way to compete with men on men’s terms —a strange experience.

Some ideas are so stupid only intellectuals can believe them (Lenin said that).


4 posted on 03/07/2010 12:12:22 PM PST by TokuMei
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To: SloopJohnB
What happens if a Seaman Ballast is assigned and the command is given to

Blow Ballast?

5 posted on 03/07/2010 12:14:32 PM PST by Young Werther (wtih)
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To: Secret Agent Man
That’s a picture of the submarine USS Lindsey Graham.

Appropriately so. ; )

6 posted on 03/07/2010 12:22:21 PM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: SloopJohnB

I don’t support mixed-sex crews on submarines but I am wondering about all-women sub crews? Has any navy, including our own, ever tried that? If so how well did it work out (or not)?


7 posted on 03/07/2010 12:23:27 PM PST by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: dennisw
Operation Petticoat!

Cary Grant if I'm not mistaken?

8 posted on 03/07/2010 12:23:46 PM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: SloopJohnB
Ten-hut! Is that sub from ‘Operation Petticoat?”
9 posted on 03/07/2010 12:30:45 PM PST by ArmyTeach ( ...speak true, right wrong, follow the King Tennyson)
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To: dennisw
"Take 'er down, Lieutenant Holden!"

"With pleasure, Sir!"


10 posted on 03/07/2010 12:33:15 PM PST by Iron Munro ("Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you." - Steinbeck)
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To: EGPWS

And Tony Curtis

and don’t forget Seaman Hornsby:-)

Regards

alfa6 ;>}


11 posted on 03/07/2010 12:34:32 PM PST by alfa6
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To: dennisw

Saw the answer to my own question! My Dad was the naval technical director on that movie! Cary Grant was so professional. He came to my Dad for inspection every day they were shooting. Wanted his uniform just so and his acting consistent with what a good sub commander would exhibit.


12 posted on 03/07/2010 12:34:34 PM PST by ArmyTeach ( ...speak true, right wrong, follow the King Tennyson)
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To: SloopJohnB

Oh great... Soon we will have an entire sub of men accused of sexual harassment; domestic violence; etc.


13 posted on 03/07/2010 12:34:45 PM PST by Pikachu_Dad
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To: SloopJohnB

Hell NO! STS2/SS


14 posted on 03/07/2010 12:35:17 PM PST by bmwcyle (Free the Navy Seals)
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To: Secret Agent Man

or it could also be the : U.S.S. Ramie Emaeulle in honor of Our Ballerina serving in the White House at this time?


15 posted on 03/07/2010 12:35:35 PM PST by True Republican Patriot (May GOD Continue to BLESS Our Great President George W. Bush!!)
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To: pnh102

Quite a Booby Idea! to say the least.......


16 posted on 03/07/2010 12:38:52 PM PST by True Republican Patriot (May GOD Continue to BLESS Our Great President George W. Bush!!)
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To: ArmyTeach
Saw the answer to my own question! My Dad was the naval technical director on that movie! Cary Grant was so professional. He came to my Dad for inspection every day they were shooting. Wanted his uniform just so and his acting consistent with what a good sub commander would exhibit.

Nice!
That is a 1957 movie so it took 53 years for the liberals to make it (woman on submarines) a reality

17 posted on 03/07/2010 12:41:41 PM PST by dennisw (It all comes 'round again --Fairport)
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To: SloopJohnB

When surrounded by seamen 24/7, what happens to the planned mission if soon after leaving port the female finds that she is pregnant?


18 posted on 03/07/2010 12:42:36 PM PST by fso301
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To: SloopJohnB

Puhleeze

Enough already.


19 posted on 03/07/2010 12:43:01 PM PST by CPT Clay (Pick up your weapon and follow me.)
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To: TokuMei

Some ideas are so stupid only intellectuals can believe them — George Orwell


20 posted on 03/07/2010 12:44:09 PM PST by PIF
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To: bmwcyle

STS2/SS also...what boat or boats? USS Sunfish, USS Bergall here.


21 posted on 03/07/2010 12:46:46 PM PST by chasio649 (37-21)
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To: SloopJohnB

Give them their own sub. If they go down because their too weak to do “damage control,” then so be it. But, integrating women and men on subs, myself having done many patrols on subs, is a very very bad idea...more for psychological and social reasons than any others.


22 posted on 03/07/2010 12:50:54 PM PST by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51. Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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To: chasio649

USS Glenard P. Lipscomb


23 posted on 03/07/2010 12:50:55 PM PST by bmwcyle (Free the Navy Seals)
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To: dennisw
Thanks. I'm one of those who don't think, women's rights apart, that women will mix well with men in the confines of the sub. On the other hand, maybe they'll mix too well? ;-)
24 posted on 03/07/2010 12:51:41 PM PST by ArmyTeach ( ...speak true, right wrong, follow the King Tennyson)
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To: jacknhoo

As a WWII sub commander’s daughter, ditto that!


25 posted on 03/07/2010 12:52:51 PM PST by ArmyTeach ( ...speak true, right wrong, follow the King Tennyson)
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To: submarinerswife; brwnsuga; navynucmom; RainMan; US Navy Vet; Coldwater Creek; Shimmer1

Navy family ping


26 posted on 03/07/2010 12:53:27 PM PST by Shimmer1 (Navy blue)
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To: pnh102
When women are in close proximity to each other, their menstrual cycles start syncing. Imagine, a crew of a nuclear-armed submarine, all going through pms at the same time!!!
27 posted on 03/07/2010 12:54:23 PM PST by Othniel (Meddlng in human affairs for 1/20th of a millennium.......)
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To: SloopJohnB

Just the pheromones from females should be enough reason to keep them off a sub. Even HEPA filters don’t remove those.

It will drive the men crazy, exactly what you do not need on a sub....especially a nuc.


28 posted on 03/07/2010 12:55:43 PM PST by A.Hun (Common sense is no longer common.)
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To: SloopJohnB

I recognize that boat and what a great movie that was!!
“Operation Petticoat” 1960, I remember it well and still watch it when it comes on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


29 posted on 03/07/2010 12:59:46 PM PST by Captain Peter Blood
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To: SloopJohnB

I thought Submariners were the best of the best. Not some damned social experimant?
Well let’s see, we need 11 females, 12 blacks, 5 latinos, and 26 white folks and 3 asians or else this isn’t gonna go?
Horse manure.


30 posted on 03/07/2010 1:11:42 PM PST by Joe Boucher (Just say NO to RINOs.)
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To: pnh102; All
==I don’t support mixed-sex crews on submarines but I am wondering about all-women sub crews? Has any navy, including our own, ever tried that? If so how well did it work out (or not)?==

Looks like this idea fell through?

Opposition to the time-honored all-male tradition has been strong. Submarines are extremely space limited and the Navy has always maintained that designing and maintaining co-ed subs would make them too expensive. Now, however, with the backing of outgoing President George Bush, the Navy plans to get women into submarines and avoid mixing with seamen by making two US Virginia class subs consist of all-female crew and officers.

One of the first female Prospective Commanding Officers for submarines, Commander Sarah Bentworth, is eager to get started. She spend two tours aboard the USS Virginia in order to prepare for her first sub command. The Navy spokesman says the plan should be implemented by Dec 2009.

More on the subject

Most navies prohibited women from serving on submarines, even after they had been permitted to serve on surface warships. The Royal Norwegian Navy became the first navy to allow female crew on its submarines in 1985. The Royal Danish Navy allowed for female submariners in 1988.[16] Others followed suit including the Swedish Navy (1989),[17] the Royal Australian Navy (1998) and Canadian Navy (2002). In 1995, Solveig Krey of the Royal Norwegian Navy became the first female officer to assume command on a military submarine, HNoMS Kobben.[18]

The British Royal Navy also does not permit women to serve on its submarines because of "medical concerns for the safety of the foetus and hence its mother" due to the potentially compromised air quality onboard submarines.[19]

It was similarly dangers to the pregnant woman and her fetus that barred females from submarine service in Sweden 1983, when all other positions where made available for them in the Swedish Navy. Pregnant woman are still not allowed to serve on submarines in Sweden. However, the policy makers thought that it was discriminatory with a general ban and demanded that females should be tried on their individual merits and have their suitability evaluated and compared to other candidates. Further, the risk that a female submariner should be unaware of getting pregnant was deemed to be very low.[17]

Women have served on U.S. Navy surface ships since 1993 but do not serve on submarines. The Navy only allows three exceptions for women being on board military submarines: female civilian technicians for a few days at most; women midshipmen on an overnight during summer training for both Navy ROTC and Naval Academy; family members for one-day dependent cruises.[20]

Both the U.S. and British navies operate nuclear-powered submarines which deploy for periods of six months or longer, whereas other navies which permit women on submarines operate conventionally powered submarines, which deploy for much shorter periods, usually only for one or two months.[21] No nation [my emphasis] using nuclear submarines currently permits women to serve onboard them.[22] Removing the ban in the U.S. Navy has been put to congressional lawmakers by Joint Chiefs Chairman Adm. Michael Mullen, following a review by Navy Secretary Ray Mabus and Chief of Naval Operations Adm. Gary Roughead.[23]

31 posted on 03/07/2010 1:24:49 PM PST by SloopJohnB (It it wasn't for Double Standards, the Left would have No Standards.)
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To: Captain Peter Blood

Women on board subs? How will the seamen react?


32 posted on 03/07/2010 1:25:33 PM PST by Nevada Outback (Nevada Outback)
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To: alfa6

Seaman Hornsby - oink, oink!


33 posted on 03/07/2010 1:26:45 PM PST by ArmyTeach ( ...speak true, right wrong, follow the King Tennyson)
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To: TokuMei
If the feeling is that the women are straight, then everyone will try to bed them. Those who are not lucky will be a little put off, maybe.

You've hit on one of the biggest issues that commanders have to deal with when men and women serve together.

34 posted on 03/07/2010 1:31:03 PM PST by chargers fan
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To: A.Hun

Excellent point.


35 posted on 03/07/2010 1:34:37 PM PST by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been redistributed. Here's your Change.)
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To: A.Hun

South Park addressed this issue already. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bebe%27s_Boobs_Destroy_Society


36 posted on 03/07/2010 1:34:56 PM PST by chargers fan
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To: SloopJohnB
Women will be added to the Navy's SSN fast-attack submarines after necessary modifications can be determined, he said.

Modifications? Let's see, a Boomer (yes, I know), spends roughly 180 days under the water. That's six month to the DU trolls reading this thread. Six months...hmmm, a pregnancy and premee (pre mature birth) could happen...what "modifications," are they talking about?

5.56mm

37 posted on 03/07/2010 1:35:35 PM PST by M Kehoe
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To: pnh102

All female sub crew?
It would take several years to get enough women qualified to crew a boat. In the meantime they would have to sail with men to earn their dolphins.


38 posted on 03/07/2010 1:39:21 PM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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To: SloopJohnB

My grandparents, who’ve all been gone quite a number of years, would sh!t if they were to come back and see what’s become of our fine country and our ethics. I’m glad they don’t have to live through this. It’s practically killing my dad anyway.


39 posted on 03/07/2010 1:39:34 PM PST by FrdmLvr ("The people will believe what the media tells them they believe." Orwell)
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To: M Kehoe
...what "modifications," are they talking about?

I'm sure the Ohio boats will lose a few vertical launch tubes to clear space for a lactation room, for starters. We're cutting the number of nukes, remember?

40 posted on 03/07/2010 1:49:12 PM PST by Charles Martel ("Endeavor to persevere...")
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To: fso301
what happens to the planned mission if soon after leaving port the female finds that she is pregnant?

If this whole thing goes through then there will be regulations to define proper actions. If I were to guess, it would be like any other serious illness of a crewmember that can't be treated on board.

41 posted on 03/07/2010 1:55:38 PM PST by Greysard
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To: alfa6
Funny thing about Seaman Hornsby and Tony Curtis. You know, of course, that Tony Curtis was Jewish. He was not a happy camper at all wrestling with Seaman Hornsby in his lap. :-)
42 posted on 03/07/2010 2:11:01 PM PST by ArmyTeach ( ...speak true, right wrong, follow the King Tennyson)
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To: Charles Martel
I'm sure the Ohio boats will lose a few vertical launch tubes to clear space for a lactation room, for starters.

Never thought about a lactation room, but I did ponder a Planned Parenthood clinic...

5.56mm

43 posted on 03/07/2010 2:19:12 PM PST by M Kehoe
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To: R. Scott

I’d give my eyeteeth to qualify for submarine service. Unfortunately, I’d have to reincarnate as a guy ...


44 posted on 03/07/2010 2:21:02 PM PST by ArmyTeach ( ...speak true, right wrong, follow the King Tennyson)
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To: SloopJohnB

Women have served on U.S. Navy surface ships since 1993 but do not serve on submarines.
____________________

My ex-wife served on surface ships starting in 1973. She is a retired senior chief.

I’m just an old ‘pig boat’ bubble head.


45 posted on 03/07/2010 2:30:57 PM PST by maine yankee
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To: SloopJohnB

I see. Brilliant idea: Women want to be integrated into a phallic object, and men in nuclear pressure cookers need disturbing distractions. Makes sense to me.

I wonder how detailed the “Rules of Engagement” will be on such ships . . .

‘Course, the military is no longer expected to win wars anyway, but to protect civilians in the countries of our enemies.

I’m frankly glad they’re undermining our military these days, given that the current powers think people like me are the real enemy.


46 posted on 03/07/2010 3:30:47 PM PST by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: Pikachu_Dad

Not only that, can we imagine 2 bipolar disgruntled females suffering PMS one day and they, all on their own, decide to launch ICBMS on the cities of their cheating significant others??


47 posted on 03/07/2010 4:02:10 PM PST by RSmithOpt (Liberalism: Highway to Hell)
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To: fso301

Gonna have to find a new way to spell seamen - semen


48 posted on 03/07/2010 4:03:22 PM PST by supermop (Somebody has to clean up the mess he will leave)
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To: SloopJohnB

I simply cannot fathom being 500 ft below water on a sub and having to work along side a female OTR and no escape.........


49 posted on 03/07/2010 4:04:43 PM PST by RSmithOpt (Liberalism: Highway to Hell)
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To: Othniel

HOLY MUSHROOM CLOUDS!!!

That might be America’s New Weapon after OBOZO HUSSEIN has reduced Our Military Might to the WET SPITBALLS that Democrat ZELL MILLER warned Us about in his speech at the 2004 Republican National Convention!!!!


50 posted on 03/07/2010 5:35:56 PM PST by True Republican Patriot (May GOD Continue to BLESS Our Great President George W. Bush!!)
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