let me get this straight... the RATS had a 60/40 majority and couldn't pass it only to blame the republicans after the dead kennedy thing,
and NOW, with reconciliation when it only takes 51 votes, they don't have the votes???
Posted on 03/07/2010 5:20:16 PM PST by upchuck
I read where they need to get 36 votes to switch to yes that have decided to vote no. In other words, they are 36 votes IN THE HOLE!
If they're successful, that's Chapter 11...
That would put them at 180 House CongressRats that better gird their loins for the political hell that is going to come pouring down on them.
no one is pointing out the dems desperation that they cannot proceed to conference and develop a compromise as is the normal legislative course, because it is so far from bipartisan—its fascistic. No worries. Seniors will rise up and demand repeal when Medicare Advantage is unceremoniously stripped from them next year (except the Floridians). 2011 will be glorious. The taxes, the Seniors’ wrath, the Republican house and Senate, and the no jobs hangover.
Reid took an obscure how tax bill and dropped in the managers amendment, which is the Senate health care bill. So the Senate HCR bill did originate in the House.
More broadly, note what the MSM and Democratic leaders choose to overlook: this bill is so unpopular that Democratic leaders dare not let their members go home. This alone is scandalous.
How can we put a steak in it and kill this bill and make the damn thing die? Every time it is dead, then they bring it back. They will get voted out win or lose on this thing. Dems are ending themselves on this Obamacare crap. People are tired of it, and want it gone. They are too dumb to figure it out, so they will be writing themselves out of office. I pray it fails, and then the Dems are gone for a very long time. Forever really. No more Commies in office for the rest of time. I dream big!
Good question!
No, the House and Senate passed *different* bills. Not that such minor details would matter to Frau Goebbels here.
I hope the picture you paint of Dems in total CYA mode is accurate and I believe it is. The scenario I imagine is if Stretch and Pinky can’t somehow guarantee the votes, some of their members will pull out last minute. So it’s a guessing game because many of the dems wont want to be branded if it’s not sure to pass. I do believe though that there IS massive arm twisting going on and I’m sure Stretch’s appointment of Levin is giving her even more ability to make promises.
Democrats do not have a firm grip on the votes needed to pass sweeping healthcare reform legislation......one trouble with that statement in this op-ed disguised as news is, there IS no Democrat healthcare reform proposal. Thanks upchuck.
Americans will resist socialized medicine by every legal, (illegal) and ethical means available.
This is unconstitutional and illegal, and Americans will fight fire with fire!
let me get this straight... the RATS had a 60/40 majority and couldn't pass it only to blame the republicans after the dead kennedy thing,
and NOW, with reconciliation when it only takes 51 votes, they don't have the votes???
They’re not voting in the Senate.. They’re voting in the House.. and they need 216 and last time they had 220 but on the other bill which HAD anti-abortion language in it and some other stuff that got votes. Now that stuff ain’t there so Stretch and Pinky are trying to get some side deals written up to get the rest on board.
The only part of this bill that originated in the House is the shell that Harry Reid gutted to insert the Senate health care bill into (to satisfy that particular constitutional requirement).
It was a dirty trick, and he clearly subverted the clear intent of the Constitution to do it.
This is the Senate bill that is currently residing in the House, and the one that Pelosi is scratching for votes to pass. The actual content of this bill originated in the Senate, not the House, but it retains the House bill number.
Barack Obama is just as unpopular in the Democratically controlled House and Senate as he is out here in flyover country.
Believe it.
Technically , youre wrong.
Don't amend it kill it dead!!!
“With not a single Republican supporting the reform effort, the only option for Democrats now is to have the House pass the Senate version of the bill”
This bill is healthcare-for-illegals and a taxpayer funded abortion bill. It has taxes, mandates and govt control over healthcare...
It’s an abomination. They have noright nor reason to pass it.
So by retaining the House number Reid kept the option of this 'reconciliation' tactic open in case his changes wouldn't get the votes back in the House.
“Fourth and goal.”
Exactly, and we are in the last minute of the superbowl and the D team is down by 5.
One last play - a hail mary pass, AN UP OR DOWN VOTE IN THE HOUSE - can make history.
But we have to be clear about this ... THE SENATE BILL IS A BAD BILL AND IT WOULD BE A DISASTER IF IT MADE IT INTO LAW.
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