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A dizzying array of options to pass health care
Politico ^ | 3-9-10 | Patrick O'Connor

Posted on 03/09/2010 12:43:03 PM PST by tcrlaf

A dizzying array of options to pass health care

It's a hard time find a House Democrat who wants to vote for the Senate's health care bill. But they may not have to -- at least directly.

Party leaders have discussed the possibility of using the House Rules Committee to avoid an actual vote on the Senate's bill, according to leadership aides. They would do this by writing what's called a "self-executing rule," meaning the Senate bill would be attached to a package of fixes being negotiated between the two chambers -- without an actual vote on the Senate's legislation.

Under this scenario, the Senate bill would be automatically attached to the reconciliation package, if the House passes reconciliation. In other words, Bill A would just become part of Bill B if the House passes Bill B, and the Senate could then vote on a reconciliation package before sending it to the president. This allows House members to approve the broader measure without actually voting on it.

The same aides who confirmed this process was under discussion quickly noted that party leaders have not yet arrived at a final decision, so it's far from a done deal -- a point House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) made repeatedly Tuesday during his weekly exchange with reporters.

This would allow them to deal with the Senate bill without forcing their members to go on record in support of unpopular items, like the now-infamous Cornhusker Kickback or the so-called Louisiana Purchase, that could be used against them on the campaign trail in the fall.

According to industry lobbyists, the House may take the additional step of further amending the rule to guard against another nightmare scenario -- the Senate's failure to enact a package of fixes through the now-familiar reconciliation process. House leaders could add a caveat to the rule that the Senate bill can only be signed into law if the Senate also passes the fixes.

Confused? You're not alone. These hypotheticals have been the topic of much discussion on Capitol Hill as congressional Democrats look for ways to massage chamber rules in the House and Senate pass a health care bill without any Republican support. And before they can do that, they might need to walk their members through some of the finer points of parliamentary maneuvering.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Maryland
KEYWORDS: fear; fraud; maryland; obamcare; scam
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Democrats are so afraid of being connected to this bill that they are willing to abrogate the responsibility the people voted them to take.

This thing is POLITICAL SUICIDE for the Democrat Party, and everybody knows it.

1 posted on 03/09/2010 12:43:03 PM PST by tcrlaf
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All in favor of the House having a self-execution rule, say “AYE”!


2 posted on 03/09/2010 12:45:08 PM PST by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: tcrlaf

Do they really think that all these contortions will somehow relieve them of the responsibility for jamming this thing through? All it does in my mind is form a certainty that every single one of them is complicit in this.


3 posted on 03/09/2010 12:45:42 PM PST by scory
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To: tcrlaf

I understand how reconciliation is Constitutional — wherein the House passes the Senate bill, thus, with both chambers having passed the bill, it is able to be signed.

I do not understand how it would be Constitutional to have the Senate pass a bill and it be signed into law never having been passed by the House.

SnakeDoc


4 posted on 03/09/2010 12:46:04 PM PST by SnakeDoctor (The night is darkest just before the dawn, but [...] the dawn is coming. -- Harvey Dent)
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This would allow them to deal with the Senate bill without forcing their members to go on record in support of unpopular items

I voted for it before I didn't vote for it.

5 posted on 03/09/2010 12:46:12 PM PST by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: tcrlaf
DEATH TO THE DEMOCRAT PARTY!!!
6 posted on 03/09/2010 12:46:25 PM PST by houeto (Remember in November!)
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To: tcrlaf

They’d be begging for a Supreme Court challenge on that one. The bill was never passed by the House, and thus cannot be Constitutionally signed into law by the President.

SnakeDoc


7 posted on 03/09/2010 12:47:29 PM PST by SnakeDoctor (The night is darkest just before the dawn, but [...] the dawn is coming. -- Harvey Dent)
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To: tcrlaf; Southack; Travis McGee; Squantos; Noumenon

Okay, let me get this straight.

The Senate voted for this.

The House won’t hold a vote at all.

And it will just become law.

Claire Wolfe, it is officially f***ing time.


8 posted on 03/09/2010 12:47:38 PM PST by Lazamataz (Seriously. The only way Obama can possibly pull this out is to declare Martial Law before November.)
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"self-execution"

That's the right name for it.

Use em and Lose em: The Hard Left in the Democratic Party is Using Healthcare as a Purge
9 posted on 03/09/2010 12:47:39 PM PST by chuck_the_tv_out ( <<< click my name: now featuring Freeper classifieds)
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they are willing to abrogate the responsibility the people voted them to take.

Well, yeah. This sentence shows that - note that it should say, "without any constituent support".

pass a health care bill without any Republican support

10 posted on 03/09/2010 12:47:41 PM PST by Cletus.D.Yokel (Freepmail me to get on the Bourbon ping list.)
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House leaders could add a caveat to the rule that the Senate bill can only be signed into law if the Senate also passes the fixes.

Sorry, but the House has no jurisdiction over what the Senate or the President can and cannot do.

Perhaps this crusty old document could clear things up a bit.

11 posted on 03/09/2010 12:48:54 PM PST by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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>> Bill A would just become part of Bill B if the House passes Bill B

Then, clearly, a vote for Bill B **IS** a vote for bill A.

Honestly, who do they think they’re fooling?


12 posted on 03/09/2010 12:48:57 PM PST by Nervous Tick (Eat more spinach! Make Green Jobs for America!)
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Circular firing squad?

How in H311 can the House PASS a bill with no vote? Where in parlimentary proceedure, let alone the Constitution can I find that!!!

13 posted on 03/09/2010 12:49:09 PM PST by El Laton Caliente (NRA Life Member & www.Gunsnet.net Moderator)
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IF THIS IS SUCH A GREAT AND NECESSARY THING, WHY NOT JUST VOTE NORMALLY ON IT????

IF EVERYONE WANTS IT, WHERE’S THE RISK?

If they think this gets them safely through the 2010 election they have another thing coming. THey will be BURNT TOAST if they triy some pigsh1t maneuver like this.


14 posted on 03/09/2010 12:49:17 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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“Democrats are so afraid of being connected to this bill that they are willing to abrogate the responsibility the people voted them to take.”

They’re all connected. It’s simple.

If Obamacare passes = take it out on all Democrats. If Obamacare is killed = take it out on all Democrats.

They loose either way. The only hope at a future is for the few Dems who stood in the way the first time around.


15 posted on 03/09/2010 12:49:22 PM PST by wilco200 (11/4/08 - The Day America Jumped the Shark)
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To: SnakeDoctor
They’d be begging for a Supreme Court challenge on that one. The bill was never passed by the House, and thus cannot be Constitutionally signed into law by the President.

You know, at that point, I do believe every health insurer, every doctor, every citizen could simply ignore the law.

Outright.

16 posted on 03/09/2010 12:49:31 PM PST by Lazamataz (Seriously. The only way Obama can possibly pull this out is to declare Martial Law before November.)
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So its like nobody will know they supported them. And they believe,in this day and age of prevasive communication that they will get away with this? Or is this another way being floated to ‘trick’ house members into going along? Seriously? They’re both more desperate as well as dumber than i thought.


17 posted on 03/09/2010 12:52:19 PM PST by wiggen (Never in the history of our great country have the people had less representation than they do today)
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Reminds me of the famous line of John McKay, former head coach of the Tampa Bay Bucs....

Reporter: Coach, what do you think of your team's execution?

McKay: Sounds like a good idea.

18 posted on 03/09/2010 12:53:22 PM PST by clintonh8r (Nobody's 'bot!!)
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To: tcrlaf

A foul stench emanates from the Congress these days. The Democrats must be destroyed. Democrats delenda est.


19 posted on 03/09/2010 12:53:23 PM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham (It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from its government -- Thomas Payne)
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To: Izzy Dunne
All in favor of the House having a self-execution rule, say “AYE”!

BRAVO!

Oh...and AYE also!

20 posted on 03/09/2010 12:54:50 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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