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BREAKING: Healthcare Reform reconciliation bill is posted! 2300+ pages and includes student loan
http://budget.house.gov ^ | 3/14/2010 | James Wright

Posted on 03/14/2010 7:48:42 PM PDT by conservativefunhouse

To provide for reconciliation pursuant to section 202 of the concurrent resolution on the budget for fiscal year 2010.

2300+ pages and includes student loans. Happy reading...

(Excerpt) Read more at budget.house.gov ...


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To: conservativefunhouse; nutmeg

"These are the days of our great lament. The land thirsts.
A great plague infests our country from the most corrupt
and most greedy Congress in human history
They say that strife has made us weak.
That we have become empty.
They say that we rot.
But, we are strong. We are a people of destiny."


51 posted on 03/14/2010 8:18:00 PM PDT by Diogenesis ("Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God." --Thomas Jefferson)
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To: conservativefunhouse
Thirty-two-thousand pages? I took that many pages for Big Government to replace what free enterprise does ten times better. Sure, today’s health insurance industry is not perfect. However, it would not have to pay for such expensive medical care if something as simple as tort reform were written in legislation that would only take ten pages. Because of the ambulance chaser lawsuit lawyers (John Edwards for example) getting rich on every failure, the cost of medical care would not be so out of control. However, every single medical device, every single product brought into the medical system must build into its cost, the cost of liability insurance.

It is time we stop the injustice of excessive damage claims. They are another lottery jackpot where the recipient (winner) gets a free ride through life for an error from an imperfect system. There is nothing perfect in this world. Just ask Toyota.

52 posted on 03/14/2010 8:18:19 PM PDT by jonrick46 (We're being water boarded with the sewage of Fascism.)
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To: conservativefunhouse; All
I don't think this is the FINAL reconcilliation bill. Per Congressman Ryan on Thursday.

In a phone interview with TAS Thursday afternoon, Ryan said that he expects Democrats to begin the complex process on Monday, under which they would have the Budget Committee approve a phantom bill by midnight, which they will then send over to the Rules Committee. At that point, the Rules Committee will strip out all of the language in the phantom bill, and insert the changes to the Senate bill that Democrats have negotiated. ....

He said he expected Democrats to dust off last year's health care bills from the Education and Labor and Ways and Means Committees, to use as the vehicle for reconciliation changes.

Link

53 posted on 03/14/2010 8:19:16 PM PDT by LdSentinal
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; bigheadfred; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; ...

Thanks conservativefunhouse. G’night all.


54 posted on 03/14/2010 8:19:24 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (http://themagicnegro.com/)
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To: visualops

Ping to you...

Maybe we will have to look at sooner than 2-3 years. Scary stuff :(


55 posted on 03/14/2010 8:20:17 PM PDT by TheStickman
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To: conservativefunhouse; nutmeg; <1/1,000,000th%; 11B3; 2111USMC; 2Jedismom; A Ruckus of Dogs; ...

GOTTA SEE THIS

BREAKING: Healthcare Reform reconciliation bill is posted! 2300+ pages and includes student loan

56 posted on 03/14/2010 8:20:21 PM PDT by Diogenesis ("Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God." --Thomas Jefferson)
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To: CMailBag

Thanks! This is the photo I was going to label the same a few nights ago. Looks nice, but oh, how sadly appropriate.


57 posted on 03/14/2010 8:20:53 PM PDT by taraytarah (Victim of massive tagline layoff.)
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To: Gay State Conservative

Rush is off, Mark Steyn is subbing.


58 posted on 03/14/2010 8:21:41 PM PDT by Miss Didi ("After all...tomorrow is another day." Scarlett O'Hara, Gone with the Wind)
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To: conservativefunhouse
Page 1971 ‘‘Placing health professionals in regions experiencing significant changes in the cultural and linguistic demographics of populations, including communities along the United States-Mexico border."

Well, I'll be.

59 posted on 03/14/2010 8:21:43 PM PDT by Jagdgewehr (Tyrannus Civis Armatus Vereor)
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To: BornToBeAmerican

>> What happened, did I miss something?

Exactly. Is this a ploy?


60 posted on 03/14/2010 8:22:46 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been redistributed. Here's your Change.)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

If the public option is actually back, that could be a sign that they don’t have the votes.

______________________________________________________________

From what I am reading here - the public option is in. I don’t think they give a rat’s a** they will vote on it. This is infuriating.


61 posted on 03/14/2010 8:22:50 PM PDT by Blonde
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To: conservativefunhouse

It’s time to start praying for the destruction of this bill. At this point, only an act of God can stop these tyrants.


62 posted on 03/14/2010 8:23:06 PM PDT by Falcon28 (Allen West - 2012 (For a list of conservative candidates in 2010, see my profile))
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To: RandallFlagg

Speaking of behavior...

The B’tards can KMA!


63 posted on 03/14/2010 8:23:36 PM PDT by smokingfrog (You can't ignore your boss and expect to keep your job... WWW.filipthishouse2010.com)
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To: conservativefunhouse

It won’t make it back through the Senate like this...but they might just be dangling a carrot.


64 posted on 03/14/2010 8:24:00 PM PDT by RockinRight (Obama Logic: Global Warming causes blizzards, and deficit spending balances budgets.)
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To: potlatch

Student loan system: another take over of an American business. And why, exactly?

Saw an article this week by chancellor of NY schools that tuition paid to NY state colleges is being seized and turned over to the general ledger. She’s calling for an act to have tuition just go for tuition costs and NYS colleges’ expenses.

I wonder if the two thoughts are connected in reality.


65 posted on 03/14/2010 8:24:42 PM PDT by ntnychik
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To: Jagdgewehr; LucyT; neverdem; backhoe; SC Swamp Fox; upchuck

Joe Wilson was telling the truth.


66 posted on 03/14/2010 8:24:45 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (*)
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To: preamble

Perhaps it’s a “way out.”

A “we tried but those big meaniehead Republicans wouldn’t let us...” get-out-of-jail-free card.


67 posted on 03/14/2010 8:24:59 PM PDT by RockinRight (Obama Logic: Global Warming causes blizzards, and deficit spending balances budgets.)
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To: xkaydet65

And didn’t the Senate bill not have the public option, too? I’m so confused. Easter can’t come fast enough...I need a drink and chocolate.


68 posted on 03/14/2010 8:26:25 PM PDT by Miss Didi ("After all...tomorrow is another day." Scarlett O'Hara, Gone with the Wind)
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To: Diogenesis; nutmeg

I guess they figure they have the votes to pass this monstrosity, and that is why they are posting it. If we understand their contempt for people, posting this now makes sense.


69 posted on 03/14/2010 8:26:41 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: RandallFlagg
Oh, nice.. Page 2084:

(3) BEHAVIORAL CHANGE COMPONENT.—A behavioral change component which provides for alter ing employee lifestyles to encourage healthy living through counseling, seminars, on-line programs, or self-help materials which provide technical assistance
2084 •J. 55–345
1 and problem solving skills. such component may in clude programs relating to—
3 (A) tobacco use;
4 (B) obesity;
5 (C) stress management;
6 (D) physical fitness;
7 (E) nutrition;
8 (F) substance abuse;
9 (G) depression; and
10 (H) mental health promotion (including
11 anxiety).

Yikes!

70 posted on 03/14/2010 8:27:32 PM PDT by amom (Proud Blue Star Mom of a US Army tanker)
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To: conservativefunhouse
Are illegal immigrants covered? Abortion?
71 posted on 03/14/2010 8:28:28 PM PDT by RedMDer (Recycle Congress in 2010, 2012... Forward with Confidence! Forward!)
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...
Thanks Jet Jaguar. Goes up on the site right away.

The list, ping

72 posted on 03/14/2010 8:29:03 PM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: conservativefunhouse

Relevant, as preview of Obamacare (in UK):

Betrayal of 20,000 cancer patients: Rationing body rejects ten drugs that could have extended lives

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2471092/posts

“Up to 20,000 people have died needlessly early after being denied cancer drugs on the NHS, it was revealed yesterday.

The rationing body NICE has failed to keep a promise to make more life-extending drugs available. “


73 posted on 03/14/2010 8:30:12 PM PDT by SmartInsight
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To: amom

A little preview of the student loan component

http://michellemalkin.com/2010/03/14/big-government-burrito-a-taste-of-the-2309-pg-demcarestudent-loan-reconciliation-bill/


74 posted on 03/14/2010 8:30:15 PM PDT by conservativefunhouse
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To: ExTexasRedhead

I second that prayer!


75 posted on 03/14/2010 8:30:43 PM PDT by Texas56
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To: RockinRight

I dedicate the following movies to the Rats in Congress.

Kill Bill, Hang em High, Death at Dawn


76 posted on 03/14/2010 8:30:52 PM PDT by outhousepatrol
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To: conservativefunhouse; GailA

We need your list of Representatives with telephone numbers on this thread Gail.


77 posted on 03/14/2010 8:31:10 PM PDT by mojo114 (Pray for FReeper Jeff Head)
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To: neodad

You seem to think that some of the people will vote against the bill because they have read some things in it they don’t like. Only wish this was true but during my call to several offices to question the bill I did ask if anyone there had read the bill and was told they “hadn’t had time yet but do intend to”.


78 posted on 03/14/2010 8:31:47 PM PDT by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: ExTexasRedhead

Oh, it’s only over 2,300 pages.


79 posted on 03/14/2010 8:32:27 PM PDT by GOP_Lady
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To: ntnychik; devolve; PhilDragoo; MeekOneGOP
I can't keep up with it all anymore. Obama is taking over everything. Colleges are all raising tuition quite a bit and the kids are protesting.

Just had a big fight in Texas among the board that determines what is put into the history textbooks. One dem threw up her hands and stormed out. The conservatives won.

If they could manage it, our books in Texas would be half Mexican history, lol.

80 posted on 03/14/2010 8:32:58 PM PDT by potlatch (- What a co-inky-stink!)
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To: GOP_Lady

‘‘(b) RESPONSIBILITIES.—The Assistant Secretary shall—
‘‘(1) ensure the collection, collation, reporting, and publishing of information (including full and complete statistics) on key health indicators regard-
•J. 55–345
2028 1 ing the Nation’s health and the performance of the
2 Nation’s health care; 3 ‘‘(2) facilitate and coordinate the collection, col- 4 lation, reporting, and publishing of information re- 5 garding the Nation’s health and the performance of 6 the Nation’s health care (other than information de- 7 scribed in paragraph (1)); 8 ‘‘(3)(A) develop standards for the collection of 9 data regarding the Nation’s health and the perform-
10 ance of the Nation’s health care; and
11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25
‘‘(B) in carrying out subparagraph (A)— ‘‘(i) ensure appropriate specificity and standardization for data collection at the na-
tional, regional, State, and local levels; ‘‘(ii) include standards, as appropriate, for the collection of accurate data on health and health care by race, ethnicity, primary lan- guage, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity, disability, socioeconomic status, rural, urban, or other geographic setting, and any other popu- lation or subpopulation determined appropriate
by the Secretary; ‘‘(iii) ensure, with respect to data on race
and ethnicity, consistency with the 1997 Office of Management and Budget Standards for
•J. 55–345
2029 1 Maintaining, Collecting and Presenting Federal
2 Data on Race and Ethnicity (or any successor 3 standards); and 4 ‘‘(iv) in consultation with the Director of 5 the Office of Minority Health, and the Director 6 of the Office of Civil Rights, of the Department, 7 develop standards for the collection of data on 8 health and health care with respect to data on 9 primary language;
10 ‘‘(4) provide support to Federal departments 11 and agencies whose programs have a significant im- 12 pact upon health (as determined by the Secretary) 13 for the collection and collation of information de- 14 scribed in paragraphs (1) and (2);
15 ‘‘(5) ensure the sharing of information de- 16 scribed in paragraphs (1) and (2) among the agen- 17 cies of the Department; 18 ‘‘(6) facilitate the sharing of information de- 19 scribed in paragraphs (1) and (2) by Federal depart- 20 ments and agencies whose programs have a signifi- 21 cant impact upon health (as determined by the Sec- 22 retary);


81 posted on 03/14/2010 8:33:24 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (*)
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To: ExTexasRedhead
Any perks for the Taliban or Al Qaeda? How about Hamas? Maybe a statue dedicated to praising Hitler.

Nothing from this corrupt and evil bunch would surprise me anymore, ExTexasRedhead.

And most Americans would still be oblivious, spending their time watching American Idol, Biggest Loser, whatever... unaware what's coming down the pike towards them. Unbelievable.

82 posted on 03/14/2010 8:34:13 PM PDT by nutmeg ("We have to pass the bill first so you can find out what's in it." - Nancy Pelosi, March 2010)
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To: conservativefunhouse

Democratic leaders say health bill will pass

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/14/AR2010031402793.html?hpid=topnews

The Democrats’ strategy calls for the House to pass the Senate version of reform, followed by consideration of a package of fixes to that legislation known as a reconciliation bill. The fixes must meet specific budget requirements allowing it to be approved in the Senate with a simple majority vote.

The full House is expected to vote on both measures by week’s end, with the climactic moment coming as soon as Thursday but, more likely, Friday or Saturday, aides said.


83 posted on 03/14/2010 8:34:31 PM PDT by SmartInsight
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To: potlatch

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It may take the military to expose and toss out these radical Commie crooks and arrest them


84 posted on 03/14/2010 8:34:44 PM PDT by devolve ( . . . . . . . . . Sarah Palin can spell corpsmen . . . . . . .)
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To: Miss Didi

“Easter can’t come fast enough...I need a drink and chocolate.”

***

You’re going to wait till Easter? Why? I think we’ll all need that drink well before then. :)


85 posted on 03/14/2010 8:35:11 PM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: conservativefunhouse


86 posted on 03/14/2010 8:38:14 PM PDT by Diogenesis ("Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God." --Thomas Jefferson)
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To: devolve
[It may take the military to expose and toss out these radical Commie crooks ]

I believe it. The men might be willing but their leaders might not!

Obama dissing the Supreme Court may be a help if some decisions come up. Amazed Ginsberg is still hanging in there. Maybe she doesn't trust Obama either.

87 posted on 03/14/2010 8:38:19 PM PDT by potlatch (- What a co-inky-stink!)
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To: Texas56

I missed the Republicans on national TV telling the American people that their Constitution has just been burned and thrown out in the garbage.


88 posted on 03/14/2010 8:39:36 PM PDT by ExTexasRedhead (Clean the RAT/RINO Sewer in 2010 and 2012)
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To: potlatch

Actually, I think Obama will eventually dismantle the Supreme Court — in fact, our entire judicial system. And once he is installed as president for life, he can do away with congress too.


89 posted on 03/14/2010 8:39:52 PM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: fatnotlazy

I gave up way too much for Lent this year. ;)


90 posted on 03/14/2010 8:39:54 PM PDT by Miss Didi ("After all...tomorrow is another day." Scarlett O'Hara, Gone with the Wind)
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To: Miss Didi

LOL!! I wonder how many got that Lent remark. I agree!


91 posted on 03/14/2010 8:40:15 PM PDT by Integrityrocks
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To: Victoria Delsoul

‘I guess they figure they have the votes to pass this monstrosity, and that is why they are posting it. If we understand their contempt for people, posting this now makes sense.’

Are illegals covered? If not, maybe the Hispanic caucus wont support it and nancy wont have the votes?


92 posted on 03/14/2010 8:40:19 PM PDT by RedMDer (Recycle Congress in 2010, 2012... Forward with Confidence! Forward!)
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To: conservativefunhouse

Dial up people should not click the link. Wait for analysis. FYI


93 posted on 03/14/2010 8:40:24 PM PDT by mojo114 (Pray for FReeper Jeff Head)
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To: amom

“BEHAVIORAL CHANGE COMPONENT.- A behavioral change component which provides for alter ing employee lifestyles “

That’s why the Dems are pushing this — it will put a leash on all of us, with the government holding the other end of it, having full control of our lives. There will be NO individual freedom at all, to allow even personal decisions.
They will hand out our “healthy” food rations, and plan our day, when and how much to exercise, meditate, etc.

And for those who are going to chime in about how it is good for us, remember it’s NOT the government’s job to run our lives. But now of course since the government will be paying for our healthcare, they claim that will give them the right to tell individuals, how to live our lives — of course another thing that is being ignored is that the government has no money of their own, what they have is what they take away from us.

So now we all have to pay higher taxes, so the government can tell us what to eat, what to do, etc.

Mark Steyn had a great article:

WHY’S HE DOING IT?

http://www.steynonline.com/content/view/3019/

“Because government health care is not about health care, it’s about government.

Once you look at it that way, what the Dems are doing makes perfect sense. For them. “


94 posted on 03/14/2010 8:44:56 PM PDT by SmartInsight
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To: conservativefunhouse
PhotobucketPhotobucket

"There are four ways in which you can spend money. You can spend your own money on yourself. When you do that, why then you really watch out what you’re doing, and you try to get the most for your money. Then you can spend your own money on somebody else. For example, I buy a birthday present for someone. Well, then I’m not so careful about the content of the present, but I’m very careful about the cost. Then, I can spend somebody else’s money on myself. And if I spend somebody else’s money on myself, then I’m sure going to have a good lunch! Finally, I can spend somebody else’s money on somebody else. And if I spend somebody else’s money on somebody else, I’m not concerned about how much it is, and I’m not concerned about what I get. And that’s government. And that’s close to 40% of our national income."

---Milton Friedman, "Free To Choose"

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How to Cure Health Care; By Milton Friedman

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Readers Digest Version for liberal bloggers and White House and Congressional radical Socialists who claim Conservatives and Libertarians don't have a plan. We have one, you just don't like the idea that you wouldn't control it.

1. Repeal the tax exemption for employer provided medical care.
2. Terminate Medicare and Medicaid
3. Provide every American citizen with catastrophic insurance. Major medical with a high deductible.
4. Increase the use of tax free Medical Savings Accounts.
5. Deregulate insurance so that consumers can shop for a la carte coverage across State lines.*

*The plan above was the work of Milton Friedman, a Nobel Prize in Economics winner. I know what you are thinking...he won a Nobel prize, so did algore, Barack Fitzgerald Obama, Paul "I plagiarized Keynes" Krugman, Yasser Arafat and Jimmy Carter. It means nothing.

The following is the editorial opinion of a jackass with a modem like me with a BA in Economics (that and 50 cents will buy me a NY Post). I'm not fit to shine Milton Friedmans' shoes but I just added this addendum and footnote to his ideas since he is "dead" physically. Although he is very much alive since he influenced so many people like me...

1. Employer provided healthcare is an unintended consequence of the WW2 era wage and price controls imposed by libs like FDR. You couldn't offer a talented person a higher salary so they offered healthcare coverage. It's a dinosaur.

2. I may be a libertarian free market disciple but I'm not blind to political realities. I realize that any public serpent who suggests doing away with Medicare in a town hall meeting would be sodomized by a cane and be clobbered in the head by a walker. Even Milton Friedman advocated that it be grandfathered for existing beneficiaries. If nothing is done, it will be broke anyway.

3. We would never have to hear..."people are going bankrupt because they don't have health insurance."

4. The only good idea to come out of Congress in years.

5. Why should a single healthy 24 year old man have to pay for coverage that includes OB/GYN and mammograms?

95 posted on 03/14/2010 8:45:17 PM PDT by Eric Blair 2084 (Beware of the Socialist Government-Academia Grant Junkie-Rich "non-profit"-Liberal Media Complex)
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To: preamble
If this is not the Senate Bill they cannot use reconciliation.That only is used when a bill passed by both houses is returned to the Senate with request from the House for post passage changes. There is even some belief that reconciliation cannot be used unless the bill has been signed by POTUS.

If this has public option it's a new bill which the Senate would have to vote on without reconciliation. This stuff is starting to make what's left of my hair hurt.

96 posted on 03/14/2010 8:45:17 PM PDT by xkaydet65
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To: Victoria Delsoul
I guess they figure they have the votes to pass this monstrosity, and that is why they are posting it. If we understand their contempt for people, posting this now makes sense

KMake no judgments about them having the votes. I think there is a need to have this posted today to meet the arbitrary deadline set by Der Fuhrer. It might be that it has to be posted before the CBO will score it, or some such thing. Arms will continue to be twisted.

Of course, MSM will say they have the votes and point to this document on the web as being proof. But I would not bet they have the votes right now.

97 posted on 03/14/2010 8:45:18 PM PDT by mlocher (USA is a sovereign nation)
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To: ExTexasRedhead

The dog that didn’t bark.


98 posted on 03/14/2010 8:45:32 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (The Republican Party is to conservatism what Twinkies are to nutrition.)
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To: fatnotlazy; devolve
I'm not an expert on how the government works but I believe we will make good inroads in Congress in the next elections.
That would make it harder for Obama to defy both the Judicial and Legislative branches - I think. I pray!
99 posted on 03/14/2010 8:46:32 PM PDT by potlatch (- What a co-inky-stink!)
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To: conservativefunhouse

Anyone who votes for this is voting for the death of this nation and should die in a horrible fire.


100 posted on 03/14/2010 8:46:37 PM PDT by My Favorite Headache
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