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1 posted on 03/15/2010 6:29:32 AM PDT by SLB
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2 posted on 03/15/2010 6:33:26 AM PDT by Christian4Bush (Mike/Chris Wallace: Did you give in? Palin: "HELL NO!" 232 days til the midterms.)
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Bringing all these things into submission to Christ is no easy task,

Here's a clue - if you have to enforce your "justice" at the point of a gun, as the United States of America does, it probably doesn't please Christ.

3 posted on 03/15/2010 6:38:00 AM PDT by DManA
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Good article by Dr. Albert Mohler. Informative/educational. Thanks for posting.


4 posted on 03/15/2010 6:39:45 AM PDT by PGalt
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Beck is right. Mainstream Religion has been going this route for a long time. Any organization that is a member of the World Council of Churches, or the National Council of Churches is basically an arm of the Communist party.

That said, Beck’s warning rings hollow when you realize he doesn’t run from his own cult which is steeped in the hallucinogenic rantings of a sexual pervert.


6 posted on 03/15/2010 6:44:13 AM PDT by genetic homophobe
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The church's main message must be that Gospel. The New Testament is stunningly silent on any plan for governmental or social action.

That is because the Christian community does not study Torah sufficiently to understand the many New Testament references to the social action it prescribes.

7 posted on 03/15/2010 6:46:34 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (Grovelnator Schwarzenkaiser, fashionable fascism one charade at a time.)
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Just what... Dr. Mohler... would you advise someone, who is seeking God, but sitting Sunday after Sunday in a 'Jeremiah Wright' church?

I think you might advise them to 'flee' that apostate place....

..which is what Beck, imo, is doing.

As far as I know, I've never had reason to disagree with Mohler, but I find this particular diatribe out of line.

I think he disagrees with Beck because of Beck's denomination, regardless of any common sense Beck has to say....and Beck has plenty of common sense.

If he's truly worried about Beck's salvation....PRAY for him.

This article is pure nit-picking to me.

8 posted on 03/15/2010 6:50:25 AM PDT by Guenevere (....)
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I think the difference between the social justice that Beck talks about and the social justice that is part of the traditional teachings of Christ is that today’s social justice demands that the government have programs for social justice. The traditional teachings are that Christians are saved by grace and are therefore inspired by their salvation to go out and personally help the poor and afflicted. They are not to pay more taxes and “delegate” that social justice to someone else. The end goal is to get these people to Christ, not a Heaven on Earth mentality.


10 posted on 03/15/2010 6:54:47 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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FTA: To assert that a call for social justice is reason for faithful Christians to flee their churches is nonsense...

Mohler is wrong. I usually like his articles, but he is flat wrong here. He is taking a Marxist term "social justice" and assuming that it means "justice in society." It does not. It means placing one's hope in the government to redistribute wealth 'fairly'.

There are battle lines being drawn, and the church has been infiltrated by agents of Satan. Anyone who suggests putting faith in government is no friend of the Gospel. I stand with Beck: leave churches that are committed to 'social justice'. Nuance is for sissies.

11 posted on 03/15/2010 6:56:00 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer ("It is error alone which needs the support of government. Truth can stand by itself." --Jefferson)
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though the truth is a bit harder to determine,
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It is hard to determine because the Marxist and Orwellian perversion of the language. In this case it is the words “social justice”.

“Social justice” sounds so warm and fuzzy. Doesn't it? But in the Orwellian word of Marxism words do not mean what they mean. Sow confusion in language and we have a confused people. A confused and rudderless people are more easily controlled.

By the way...I am glad that the movie “Alice in Wonderland” is a mega-hit. It will prompt thoughtful people to actually read the book. In the wonderland world of Marxism words don't mean what they mean.

12 posted on 03/15/2010 6:58:15 AM PDT by wintertime
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This is real simple and doesn't need to be complicated with a bunch of back and forth and biblical quotes. Beck is right. “Social Justice” is ruse for more state control on the road to Socialism and Communism. Period. Ergo, Social Justice = Stalinism or in other words, evil.

Lib Protestant clergy and Catholic bishops who think they can create some social justice Utopia where the government provides for everyone without oppressing them are dangerously disconnected from reality.

13 posted on 03/15/2010 7:05:05 AM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard
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Beck is right. Many of the churches today have been found WANTING (to fill their collection plates with gold or personal power and fame).

The Bible teaches faith in God and faith in one self. If our righteousness does not exceed that of the Pharaohs, the liberal church and political leaders of the day, we'll never be able to enter the kingdom.
Churches teaching "social justice" are condoning the sinful lifestyles that got the poor in their dreadful position in the first place.

14 posted on 03/15/2010 7:06:59 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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This Jim Wallis was on the evening news on (Friday, I think) as a “Christian leader” criticizing Beck.

This Jim Wallis

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Wallis


15 posted on 03/15/2010 7:07:08 AM PDT by Winstons Julia (The liberal mantra: Never enough.)
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Frederic Bastiat 1801-1850; The Law

The Proper Function of the Law...

And, in all sincerity, can anything more than the absence of plunder be required of the law? Can the law — which necessarily requires the use of force — rationally be used for anything except protecting the rights of everyone? I defy anyone to extend it beyond this purpose without perverting it and, consequently, turning might against right. This is the most fatal and most illogical social perversion that can possibly be imagined. It must be admitted that the true solution — so long searched for in the area of social relationships — is contained in these simple words: Law is organized justice.

Now this must be said: When justice is organized by law — that is, by force — this excludes the idea of using law (force) to organize any human activity whatever, whether it be labor, charity, agriculture, commerce, industry, education, art, or religion. The organizing by law of any one of these would inevitably destroy the essential organization — justice. For truly, how can we imagine force being used against the liberty of citizens without it also being used against justice, and thus acting against its proper purpose?

The Seductive Lure of Socialism...

Here I encounter the most popular fallacy of our times. It is not considered sufficient that the law should be just; it must be philanthropic. Nor is it sufficient that the law should guarantee to every citizen the free and inoffensive use of his faculties for physical, intellectual, and moral self-improvement. Instead, it is demanded that the law should directly extend welfare, education, and morality throughout the nation.

This is the seductive lure of socialism. And I repeat again: These two uses of the law are in direct contradiction to each other. We must choose between them. A citizen cannot at the same time be free and not free.

Enforced Fraternity Destroys Liberty (excerpt)...

Mr. de Lamartine once wrote to me thusly: “Your doctrine is only the half of my program. You have stopped at liberty; I go on to fraternity.” I answered him: “The second half of your program will destroy the first.”

In fact, it is impossible for me to separate the word fraternity from the word voluntary. I cannot possibly understand how fraternity can be legally enforced without liberty being legally destroyed, and thus justice being legally trampled underfoot

Legal plunder has two roots: One of them, as I have said before, is in human greed; the other is in false philanthropy.

The Law and Morals...

You say: “Here are persons who are lacking in morality or religion,” and you turn to the law. But law is force. And need I point out what a violent and futile effort it is to use force in the matters of morality and religion?

It would seem that socialists, however self-complacent, could not avoid seeing this monstrous legal plunder that results from such systems and such efforts. But what do the socialists do? They cleverly disguise this legal plunder from others — and even from themselves — under the seductive names of fraternity, unity, organization, and association. Because we ask so little from the law — only justice — the socialists thereby assume that we reject fraternity, unity, organization, and association. The socialists brand us with the name individualist.

But we assure the socialists that we repudiate only forced organization, not natural organization. We repudiate the forms of association that are forced upon us, not free association. We repudiate forced fraternity, not true fraternity. We repudiate the artificial unity that does nothing more than deprive persons of individual responsibility. We do not repudiate the natural unity of mankind under Providence.

http://bastiat.org/en/the_law.html#SECTION_G708

Thanks to FReeper raygun for the link.


16 posted on 03/15/2010 7:08:15 AM PDT by PGalt
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When a church believes you are not truly a Christian because you believe God called YOU to open your heart and give to those in need instead of forcing everyone to give through taxes, it is time to leave.


18 posted on 03/15/2010 7:16:35 AM PDT by imskylark
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Mohler is basically saying Beck is right but feels obliged to take a dig at him anyway.

If something had to be said, which it did, and Beck was the one who said it, which he was, he only deserves praise.

19 posted on 03/15/2010 7:21:13 AM PDT by Tribune7 (Only stupid, racists people support Obama.)
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Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master.
- George Washington

Government is the wrong tool for any form of charity. Someone has to have the permission for the controlled use of force to prevent the uncontrolled use of force.
The only proper use of force is the suppression of uncontrolled force, any other use is evil.

20 posted on 03/15/2010 7:27:09 AM PDT by Aevery_Freeman (Don't just pick between Bull Sh*t and Horse Sh*t, clean out the stable!)
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The gospel of social justice as a means of setting up God’s kingdom here on earth is no gospel (good news), but rather a perversion of the truth. We aren’t called to make the world a nicer place to go to hell from, we are called to rescue people out from a world slated for deception and destruction. The appropriate scripture passage is Gal 1:6-8, “I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.”

The irony is that the one trumpeting this message is Glenn Beck, who is the follower of a man (Joseph Smith) who received another gospel from the hands of a supposed angel of light (Moroni). If there was ever a group specifically targeted by Galatians 1:8 it is the Mormon church.


21 posted on 03/15/2010 7:30:14 AM PDT by UncleHenry (Even a fool, when he holdeth his peace, is counted wise - Solomon)
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Not impressed -- "Social Justice" has absolutely no thing in common with Biblical justice. The article is based upon the false premise they are equivalent. How anyone looks at the two and feels them the same is beyond me. I suspect the good doctor read the words, but failed to apply their proper interpretation to them before penning his own discourse.


25 posted on 03/15/2010 7:37:55 AM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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Should Christians embrace socialism? See our website www.faithfacts.org.
See “Christianity and the Culture” for the article.


26 posted on 03/15/2010 8:16:38 AM PDT by grumpa (VP)
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As the Far Left's "social justice" political ideology has infiltrated, diluted, and permeated the leadership of mainline Protestant churches, and without Beck's advice, members have, by the hundreds of thousands, already have chosen to leave those denominations over the past several years.

1. They have recognized that the philosophy of Christ invites and inspires faith, hope, and personal charity and benevolence.

2. They also have recognized thaat it does not command coercive "taking" of the fruits of one's neighbors' labors by use of a collective mechanism called government, however.

3. The 1st is compatible with liberty. The 2nd, if followed to its logical conclusion, leads to tyranny.

The Far Left's teachings have permeated the seminaries and public discourse, and through the clever use of semantics, many have been misled.

Beck simply stated what hundreds of thousands of church members already have concluded. They have embraced the philosophy of Jesus, but they have not embraced so-called "liberation theology" or the other forms of Far Left ideology which have been mixed with the Gospel message by the hierarchies of mainline churches.

The Far Left loves to misuse Jefferson's "separation of church and State" phrase, but they overlook his recognition of the philosophy of Jesus. That might be interesting to review here:

Jefferson stated that Jesus "preached philanthropy and universal charity and benevolence," that "a system of morals is presented to us [by Jesus], which, if filled up in the style and spirit of the rich fragments he left us, would be the most perfect and sublime that has ever been taught by man."

He wrote, "His moral doctrines...were more pure and perfect than those of the most correct of the philosophers...and they went far beyond both in inculcating universal philanthropy, not only to kindred and friends, to neighbors and countrymen, but to all mankind, gathering all into one family, under the bonds of love, charity, peace, common wants, and common aids," which, Jefferson said, "will evince the peculiar superiority of the system of Jesus over all others."

Comparing the Hebrew code which, according to Jefferson, "laid hold of actions only," "He [Jesus] pushed his scrutinies into the heart of man; erected his tribunal in the region of his thoughts, and purified the waters at the fountain head."

That Jefferson cut out the statements which he believed to be directly attributable to Jesus, pasted them into a little book which he kept by his bed and, by his own words, read from them daily, might lead one to conclude that his political philosphy of liberty probably was influenced by what he considered to be the superiority of the "philosophy" of Jesus.

It is unlikely that any person alive today has read the writings of as many of the great philosophers as Jefferson. His talents and abilities were legend. His devotion to liberty and to the ideas essential to liberty were based on simple principles, some of which, undoubtedly, came from his understanding of the basic law underlying all valid human law: "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."

He understood: that the philosophy capsulated in that idea has the power to make people in a society more benevolent, more loving, more caring, and more willing to take care of each other--voluntarily.

There is a sharp contrast between a philosophy of love and the politics of hate which motivate the radical Islamic terrorists, as well as the radical Left which now spouts its personal hatred in our partisan politics. Thomas Jefferson summarized an idea that tyrants of all political persuasions deny: "The God who gave us life gave us liberty at the same time: the hand of force may destroy, but cannot disjoin them."

27 posted on 03/15/2010 8:21:15 AM PDT by loveliberty2
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