Posted on 03/19/2010 3:39:27 PM PDT by A Navy Vet
The birth-to-grave Nancystate is growing ever larger. What will you do once they manage to kill the health insurance industry with "pre-existing conditions"?
Think just one minute about how that would work for auto insurance. If you didn't have car insurance, but involved in a wreck, you could immediately get an insurance policy due to law to cover yours and the others' repairs and injuries. Now think how many 100's of millions of dollars are paid in collision lawsuits every year. Then deduct that from the insurance premiums the insurance companies take in.
If you have ANY sense, you would know that the insurers would quickly go out of business with that kind of policy - they would have NO profit. We could all cancel our insurance and only buy once our car is a wreck? I'm not a CEO of a Forbes 500 company, but even I can see that just won't work.
Now our "DC protectors" want the same for health insurance. The insurers will go out of business if they are required to include "pre-existing conditions". Sounds good for the poor souls who have bad "pre-existing" maladies, but what about us who don't have them? We are the majority.
You will be left with the Massachusetts so-called health care, which by all accounts is now going bankrupt (thanks Romney you POS RINO), Canadian/European model of health care. Gee, wonder why those who can afford it come over here? Scratching my head trying to figure that out.
Points to consider:
1. Insurers cannot exist if required to take in those who have life-threatening diseases or other before paying into to the pool, which obambi loves to quote - IDIOT!;
2. Do you really want the Fedgov who barely manages the Post Office and over-runs every budget in every one of their departments and bureaucracies to manage your health?
3. Do you want some Washington bureaucrat deciding how your health care is managed? That is factually part of the Senate bill. Don't trust me? Google.
If us lowly everyday persons have thought of that, think how many other individuals and companies are thinking the same? Again, the health insurance companies go bankrupt. Yes, I know that that is the ultimate goal of the marxists, so don't bother. But why are not Pubbies screaming about this?
Also, the State driving insurance arguement is bogus. You don't have to drive on public roads. You don't even have to own a car. But you HAVE to buy health insurance simply because you are ALIVE!??
What will you do when they dictate you must BUY insurance? What will your company do when the CEO decides to eliminate the perk of health insurance and realize the fine are less clostly?
FYI, I owned (3) companies in my life so I know what health insurance costs are to the bottom line.
I am just flabbergasted that so few are talking about these items that will ultimately lead to nationalized health care, which has done so well for Massataxus, Canada, England, et al.
Mark these words; Obamacare will immediately turn into a Constitutional crisis:
1. Many many lawsuits will be filed by individual class-action suits; other lawsuits will be filed by NGO's; other lawsuits will be filed by States. I only hope some judge somewhere in all those lawsuits grants a restraining order. Keep in mind, the taxes go up in 2011, but the benefits don't kick in until 2014. What a frigging rip!!!!!!
2. Many States will just say enough all ready! Some 36 States have already passed various resolutions (although non-binding) and legislation and signed into law. The States are fed up with the arrogance of DC and their distortion of the Interstate Commerce Clause in the US Constitution. The Feds quote that clause for almost every over-reaching laws they pass, but never ever recognize the 9th and 10th Amendments to our Constitutional Contract which says:
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
Bad times are coming for our Union. Bank on it. There will be some initial Patriots who the media label as "militia" and shot down...think Ruby Ridge. Then, there will be thousands who go underground and conduct guerilla warfare. I only hope they don't kill innocent Americans in their zeal. I will NOT support that!
10th Amendment and court suits and eventually repeal.
Not to forget to vote the rats out of office.
The Democrats would argue that people’s refusal to buy insurance until they got sick could be solved by making insurance mandatory. The counter argument, I would say, is that if people can upgrade the insurance they have on pre-existing conditions, people will buy the minimum insurance required to meet the legal requirement, and only buy expensive better if needed. The only way around that would be for nobody to offer better insurance options than the minimum.
The only problem I see with your idea is that the state of Massachusetts is saying they couldn’t get rid of their health care if they wanted to. It has gone to far now. Repeal would be iffy at best.
I believe approximately three-fourths of the States are considering nullifying ObamaCare. A couple have already done so. The People must do the same. If you are threatened with a fine or imprisonment for refusing to get insurance, REFUSE TO COMPLY! I dare the federal tyrants to start imprisoning people!
Don’t worry about innocents being killed. The sheeple will lie down and take what Obama thrusts. Too bad a small country like Honduras could oust a dictator, but our courts and military leaders are behaving like cowards.
I have a pre-existing condition — I’m sick of Big Government.
If this is such a disaster as I know it is, and when the Dems lose Congress bigtime this year, many of the remaining Dims in Congress will start to change their tune to save their butts and there will be an override of any Obama veto.
As I have posted here before, if this bill passes many of the community hospitals in MA will close, (which most hospitals in MA are) this was confirmed by st treasurer Cahill in an appearance on Beck today. If that happens, 10’s of thousands of workers would be out of jobs. And hubby works at one. So what will we do??? good question, no one in WA cares apparently, or not enough to fight this.
It could spread nationwide as well, as many hospitals are already in the red due to medicare and medicaid reimbursement. Now with those reimbursements being even less, a lot of hospitals will close, so we won’t just be short doctors. And hubby works at one.
An Article V constitutional convention requires application by the legislatures of only 2/3 of the states, and any proposed amendment requires ratification by 3/4 of the states. If, as you say, 3/4 of the states are already moving toward nullification in some manner, a constitutional amendment prohibiting federal intervention in matters pertaining to health care delivery, insurance, regulation, financing, credentialing, etc. might be on the near horizon.
When I called this February, the surgeon's nurse kindly explained that yes, she had received the referral, and would be calling me for a consultation ‘some time this fall.’
Access to a waiting list is not health care.
Signed, sore in Canada.
The Attorneys general of Florida and South Carolina announced today that they will file an immediate Constitutional challenge against this as soon as the Congress dares vote it in. They are actively recruiting other State AGs to join the suit, and I suspect they will request Class Action status on it as soon as it is filed.
If they can get a suit filed in Court along with a plea for an immediate stay to prevent any aspect of this from going into effect until the Court rules, it could tie the legislation up for years; all on our tab of course...
They will simply seize your money to pay the fine.
I believe that in the bill somewhere there was a provision for the gov healthcare to have you bank account numbers.
Obama's crowd will have absolutely no problem with that -- or with shooting them. They'll just call out the New Black Panthers.
Urban blacks will line up around the corner for a piece of that. Remember L.A. in 1992?
Nullification is bogus doctrine. Even Jefferson Davis dissed it down to the ground. It can't stand up to the Supremacy Clause, as long as a State is still in the Union.
There IS a limit to what the Federal Government can do under cover of “law”.
If that is not the case...if there is no limit as long as a signed bill states so and so, then every Constitutional protection is subject to being overridden and a tyrannical dictatorship is the result. All very legal and proper because it was put in a signed bill.
NOT.
You see, it takes a crisis, which we now have, and bills so extreme, which we now have, and popular and state resistance, which we now have, to bring courts into this, but somewhere there is a line, there is a limit.
Otherwise, the Founders did all and the military gave their life’s blood for.....nothing.
See, I told you not to grab that can full of kerosene...I told you grab the one marked Steve’s special brew...And we’ll pour a couple of mason jars full and sip it...
But noooooooo, you had to go pull the Black Panther card!!! ;-)
Given that thirty something states are opposed to it, it is not unreasonable to bet that if the 17th amendment was never passed, then this POS would have never made it through the Senate to begin with...
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