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Snow relief could bring city $1 million [Tulsa, Oklahoma]
Tulsa World ^ | Thursday, March 18, 2010 | Brian Barber

Posted on 03/21/2010 9:30:47 AM PDT by Star Traveler

Snow relief could bring city $1 million

The disaster relief reimbursement would help offset the cost of the Christmas blizzard.

By BRIAN BARBER World Staff Writer
Published: 3/18/2010  2:26 AM
Last Modified: 3/18/2010  4:18 AM

Tulsa likely will end up seeking more than $1 million in reimbursement from the federal and state governments for its efforts in dealing with the Christmas blizzard that blanketed the city.

City officials met Wednesday with representatives from the Federal Emergency Management Agency to go over the parameters of what expenses are and are not covered by the federal major disaster declaration for the Dec. 24-25 snowstorm.

Tulsa County was one of 29 Oklahoma counties included in the declaration, which was issued in late February by President Barack Obama.

Now the city will go through the process of totaling everything up and submitting its application, said Paul Strizek, Public Works Department manager of planning and contracts.

"We have a lot of number crunching to do," he said. "It comes down to every single man-hour that was used and every piece of equipment that was used to respond to the storm. The documentation we have to pull together is very specific."

The city spent $896,760 in Public Works employee time, materials and equipment use, Strizek said.

But still to be calculated are costs associated with the airport and police and fire forces that can be attributed to the storm, and any water line breaks that happened in its aftermath, among other expenses, he said.

Although the snow hit over two days, the process of dealing with it and cleaning up took as long as a week, Strizek said.

Up to 75 percent of the costs will be reimbursed by the federal government, and the state will cover 12.5 percent, he said.

Once the application is turned in within the next few weeks, it will take several months before the city receives the money, Strizek said. It won't arrive before the end of this fiscal year on June 30.

The reimbursed money will go into the city's general operating fund, unless it was originally paid out of one of the enterprise funds, such as the water fund, he said.

Budget Director Pat Connelly told the City Council earlier this month that a budget amendment to balance the Public Works Department's books likely would be needed because of the costs accrued from winter storms.

From December through February, the city was hit with a total of more than 17 inches of snow.

Although only $65,000 was budgeted for storm-related overtime, $212,000 has been spent.

And although $200,000 was budgeted for salt to spread on the streets, $567,000 has been spent this season.

It's possible the city may need to dip into the general fund operating reserve to cover the extra storm costs for the fiscal year, Connelly said.

To help make up for the overruns, Public Works officials said they have reduced pending purchase orders for other street-related materials, such as those for filling potholes.

Although parts of the state have received other federal disaster declarations this winter, the Christmas storm is the only one covered for Tulsa.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; Government; US: Oklahoma
KEYWORDS: oksnowstorm; oksnowstormmarch2010; tulsaoklahoma; tulsasnowmarch2010
And it's snowing today, after starting to snow yesterday, on Saturday -- when it was 71 degrees on Friday... :-)
1 posted on 03/21/2010 9:30:47 AM PDT by Star Traveler
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See these FReeper threads... LOL ...

We've had these March snowstorms forever around here... :-)

2 posted on 03/21/2010 9:31:30 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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Office of Governor Brad Henry
State of Oklahoma
State Capitol - Oklahoma City OK 73105
(405) 521-2342


State of Emergency Declared in Preparation for Winter Storm
March 19, 2010

Oklahoma City — State officials declared a state of emergency late Friday in all 77 of Oklahoma’s counties in preparation for a blizzard forecast in Oklahoma expected to bring snow and frigid temperatures to much of the state, as well as the potential for ice or flooding in some areas.

At the request of Gov. Henry, Lt. Gov. Jari Askins approved the paperwork declaring the emergency.

The declaration provides a formal mechanism for local governments to seek reimbursement for recovery costs through the state’s disaster public assistance program should conditions warrant. The executive order is also the first step toward seeking federal aid should it be necessary.

Gov. Henry is on a family trip to Colorado and is returning to the state on Saturday.

The State Emergency Operations Center will be activated by the Oklahoma Department of Emergency Management at 7:00 a.m. on Saturday morning.

For more information contact:

Michelann Ooten, Oklahoma Emergency Management, 405-205-1879

Thomas Larson, Press Secretary for Gov. Brad Henry, 405-301-6357

3 posted on 03/21/2010 9:32:05 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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Tulsa could see 10 inches of snow over the weekend

By Staff Reports
Published: 3/20/2010 8:22 AM
Last Modified: 3/20/2010 11:17 AM

The National Weather Service is predicting that the Tulsa area will be hit with 5 to 10 inches of snow over the weekend.

Meteoroligist David Jankowski said Saturday morning's mix of sleet and rain will turn to snow by early afternoon.

"We're kind of in the transition stage," Jankowski said.

Tulsa should see 2 to 4 inches of snow Saturday and another 2 to 3 inches overnight, Jankowski said.

Another 1 to 3 inches is possible on Sunday before the precipitation stops Sunday afternoon.

"Monday, this should be pushing out of the area and we can see mostly sunny skies with temperatures rebounding into the mid-50's," Jankowski said.

The temperature at Tulsa International Airport at 8 a.m. was 31 degrees with Ponca City and Stillwater already showing snow.

"So the snow is not too far," Jankowski said.

Meanwhile, Tulsa Police say they have responded to at least four weather-related crashes Saturday morning.

"Those are either injury or possible injury" accidents," said Capt. Randy Hughes. "What I'm hearing is that the overpasses are slushy and slick."

Darren Stefanek, the manager of street maintenance in the Public Works Department, said the city has eight trucks on the streets with crews concentrating on bridges.

"I plan on having all 54 trucks in by four o'clock," Stefanek said. "However, if conditions deteriorate I'll have them in earlier."

The Oklahoma Department of Transportation is reporting one-quarter to one-half inch of snow in western Oklahoma and mist and sleet in the central part of the state.

ODOT crews are treating bridges, which are the first road surfaces to freeze, first.

As of 10:15 a.m. the Tulsa International Airport Web site was showing two flights delayed and one canceled. That's out of 25 flights scheduled to depart the airport between 10 a.m. and 5:45 p.m.

In advance of the winter storm, state officials declared a state of emergency late Friday for all 77 of Oklahoma's counties.

The declaration provides a formal mechanism for local governments to seek reimbursement for recovery costs through the state's disaster public assistance program should conditions warrant. The executive order is also the first step toward seeking federal aid should it be necessary.

The storm could make driving hazardous and hinder fans trying to get to men's and women's NCAA tournament games scheduled for Saturday and Sunday in Oklahoma City and Norman, officials said.

"We certainly hate that it may affect attendance," said Laura Kriegel, director of marketing and communications for the Oklahoma City Convention & Visitors Bureau. "We hope it passes by and we have some great basketball."

Kriegel said hotels in downtown Oklahoma City are sold out for the men's tournament, but she encouraged ticketholders who plan to drive to the Ford Center arena for the college basketball games to take road conditions into account.

"We want people to use their best judgment. Be mindful of the weather," she said.

The storm was expected to be the third major winter storm to hit the state in the past three months, starting with a Christmas Eve blizzard that dropped more than 14 inches of snow in some areas and stranded holiday travelers on snow-packed highways.

Forecasters said 8 to 10 inches of snow was likely Saturday from north central Oklahoma to southeast of the Oklahoma City area and that a blizzard warning could be issued as the storm intensifies.

"You just can't trust Mother Nature in Oklahoma," said Sukie Allison, spokeswoman for the state Department of Transportation.

Allison said more than 100 state road crews readied snow plows and other snow-removal equipment in advance of the storm and that the state had enough sand and salt to keep snow-covered roadways open.

Rick Smith, a meteorologist with the National Weather Service in Norman, said early spring snowstorms are not unprecedented in Oklahoma. A storm in late March 2009 dropped record snowfall in parts of the state and was the second-most-severe winter storm of the year, behind the Christmas Eve blizzard.

4 posted on 03/21/2010 9:32:32 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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More snow coming through Tulsa area

By SHANNON MUCHMORE World Staff Writer

Published: 3/21/2010  10:14 AM
Last Modified: 3/21/2010  10:14 AM

The Tulsa area remains under a winter storm warning until 7 p.m. as a second band of snow is making its way through the region.

The Oklahoma Department of Transportation is discouraging all unnecessary travel. Many roadways froze overnight and accidents continue to occur regularly.

As much as 5 inches of snow fell Saturday - the first day of spring - and another 3 to 5 inches is expected this afternoon.

The National Weather Service says the snow will keep falling across much of eastern Oklahoma and into northwest Arkansas on Sunday, with up to 6 more inches possible. That means some part of the two states will have gotten more than a foot of snow since the storm began Saturday.

Authorities have attributed at least three deaths in Missouri, Kansas and Oklahoma to the weather. The storm also disrupted travel on the roads and in the air.

5 posted on 03/21/2010 9:33:05 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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This is for accumulations from Friday night to Saturday night. They say it's going to get a lot worse for Tulsa in the next few hours through tonight ...




6 posted on 03/21/2010 9:34:17 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler

They should send the bill to Al Gore.


7 posted on 03/21/2010 9:34:17 AM PDT by SouthTexas (Exterminate the rats!)
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To: SouthTexas
You were saying ...

They should send the bill to Al Gore.

It's all normal stuff for around here... LOL ...

8 posted on 03/21/2010 9:35:16 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: SouthTexas
Even the stuff down in the Dallas/Fort Worth area is something that is not out of the ordinary... as they've had this kind of winter weather long ago, into past years, too... it's all cyclical stuff... :-)




Dallas-Fort Worth breaks record for most snow in one calendar day

7:10 PM Thu, Feb 11, 2010
Jason Sickles/Editor

Updated @ 4:55 a.m. Friday, Feb. 12

The record fell at 6:57 p.m. with it still snowing and the winter storm warning extended until 6 a.m. Friday. While the official record is measured at Dallas-Fort Worth International Airport, many local cities saw just as much or more.

Greatest snowfall in one calendar day

Greatest snowfall in a 24-hour time periodSnowiest seasonsMost snow in February
9 posted on 03/21/2010 9:37:44 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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I know, just like our last hurricane, barely made a blip on the news.

Gore is one of those making money hand over fist on the AGW scam, he should “share HIS wealth”.


10 posted on 03/21/2010 9:37:58 AM PDT by SouthTexas (Exterminate the rats!)
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To: Star Traveler

In NW Arkansas there is 11 1/2 inches on my truck and chicken coops now. I used an 18 inch metal ruler to check it.


11 posted on 03/21/2010 9:39:09 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (If I say to you "I'm your friend" ....RUN!)
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You were saying ...

I know, just like our last hurricane, barely made a blip on the news.

Well, I've posted on a lot of those Global Warming threads... and to somewhat sum it up for the posts, without giving the full details here, basically it's that "Anthropogenic Global Warming" is the false issue, as that's not backed up by legitimate science.

However, "Global Warming" and "Global Cooling" is normal and it happens all the time. So, we've had Global Warming and we've had Global Cooling, but not "Anthropogenic Global Warming"...

In fact, we were in a Global Warming spell for the last many decades that I can remember, warming up quite a bit, from my early life. And now..., we've shifted from that Global Warming to a Global Cooling phase. After that, we'll go back to Global Warming once again...

And heck, I might as well post one of those articles that I have, with that nice graph on it... :-)


Global Temperature Trends From 2500 B.C. To 2040 A.D.

Until recently, global temperatures were more than a degree Fahrenheit warmer when compared to the overall 20th Century mean. From August of 2007 through February of 2008, the Earth’s mean reading dropped to near the 200-year average temperature of 57 degrees. Since that time, the mean reading has been fluctuating.

We, Cliff Harris and Randy Mann, believe that the warming and even the cooling of global temperatures are the result of long-term climatic cycles, solar activity, sea-surface temperature patterns and more. However, Mankind’s activities of the burning of fossil fuels, massive deforestations, the replacing of grassy surfaces with asphalt and concrete, the ‘Urban Heat Island Effect,’ are making conditions ‘worse’ and this will ultimately enhance the Earth’s warming process down the meteorological roadway in the next several decades.



From the late 1940s through the early 1970s, a climate research organization called the Weather Science Foundation of Crystal Lake, Illinois, determined that the planet’s warm, cold, wet and dry periods were the result of alternating short-term and long-term climatic cycles. These researchers and scientists also concluded that the Earth’s ever-changing climate likewise has influenced global and regional economies, human and animal migrations, science, religion and the arts as well as shifting forms of government and strength of leadership.

Much of this data was based upon thousands of hours of research done by Dr. Raymond H. Wheeler and his associates during the 1930s and 1940s at the University of Kansas. Dr. Wheeler was well-known for his discovery of various climate cycles, including his highly-regarded ‘510-Year Drought Clock’ that he detailed at the end of the ‘Dust Bowl’ era in the late 1930s.

During the early 1970s, our planet was in the midst of a colder and drier weather cycle. Inflationary recessions and oil shortages led to rationing and long gas lines at service stations worldwide. The situation at that time was far worse than it is now, at least for the time being.

The Weather Science Foundation also predicted, based on these various climate cycles, that our planet would turn much warmer and wetter by the early 2000s, resulting in general global prosperity. They also said that we would be seeing at this time widespread weather ‘extremes.’ There’s little doubt that most of their early predictions came true.

Our recent decline in the Earth’s temperature may be a combination of both long-term and short-term climate cycles, decreased solar activity and the development of a strong long-lasting La Nina, the current cooler than normal sea-surface temperature event in the south-central Pacific Ocean. Sunspot activity in the past 18 months has decreased to the lowest levels since ‘The Little Ice Age’ ended in the mid-to late 1800s. This "cool spell," though, may only be a brief interruption to the Earth’s overall warming trend. Only time will tell.

Based on these predictions, it appears that much warmer readings may be expected for Planet Earth, especially by the 2030s, that will eventually top 1998's global highest reading of 58.3 degrees. It’s quite possible we could see an average temperature in the low 60s. Until then, this ‘cooling period’ may last from just a few months to as long as several years, especially if sunspot activity remains very low.

We at Harris-Mann Climatology, www.LongRangeWeather.com, believe that our prolonged cycle of wide weather ‘extremes,’ the worst in at least 1,000 years, will continue and perhaps become even more severe, especially by the mid 2010s. We should see more powerful storms, including major hurricanes and increasing deadly tornadoes. There will likewise be widespread flooding, crop-destroying droughts and freezes and violent weather of all types including ice storms, large-sized hail and torrential downpours.

We are already seeing on virtually every continent an almost Biblical weather scenario of increasing droughts and floods. In both the southwestern and southeastern corners of the U.S, there are severe water shortage problems associated with chronic long-term dryness. In some cases, the water deficits are the worst in at least 400 years.

Dr. Wheeler also discovered that approximately every 102 years, a much warmer and drier climatic cycle affects our planet. The last such ‘warm and dry’ peak occurred in 1936, at the end of the infamous ‘Dust Bowl’ period. During that time, extreme heat and dryness, combined with a multitude of problems during the ‘Great Depression,’ made living conditions practically intolerable.

The next ‘warm and dry’ climatic phase is scheduled to arrive in the early 2030s, probably peaking around 2038. It is expected to produce even hotter and drier weather patterns than we saw during the late 1990s and early 2000s.

But, we should remember, that the Earth’s coldest periods have usually followed excessive warmth. Such was the case when our planet moved from the Medieval Warm Period between 900 and 1300 A.D. to the sudden ‘Little Ice Age,’ which peaked in the 17th Century.

By the end of this 21st Century, a big cool down may occur that could ultimately lead to expanding glaciers worldwide, even in the mid-latitudes. We could possibly see even a new Great Ice Age. Based on long-term climatic data, these major ice ages have recurred about every 11,500 years. Well, you guessed it. The last extensive ice age was approximately 11,500 years ago, so we may be due. Again, only time will tell.

12 posted on 03/21/2010 9:40:30 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
You were saying ...

In NW Arkansas there is 11 1/2 inches on my truck and chicken coops now. I used an 18 inch metal ruler to check it.

I've noticed, in the past, that y'all get the stuff that hits Tulsa, too... :-)

13 posted on 03/21/2010 9:41:36 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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Bill Clinton:

Elsewhere in his remarks, he noted he was speaking on the night before the start of spring, “otherwise known to Al Gore as proof of global warming.”

14 posted on 03/21/2010 9:41:41 AM PDT by SouthTexas (Exterminate the rats!)
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Well, we must remember that "Global Warming" is natural and has happened. And Global Cooling is natural and has happened.

BUT, what is not natural and/or what has not been proven and is not science -- is -- "Anthropogenic Global Warming"... that's the "key" to the discussion... and not "Global Warming"... :-)

15 posted on 03/21/2010 9:44:03 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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AGW is one of my pet peeves. Very well versed in the lack up facts to back it up.

Am quite thankful the truth is starting to come out, but the government continues their runs at regulations and their tilting at windmills.


16 posted on 03/21/2010 9:45:20 AM PDT by SouthTexas (Exterminate the rats!)
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You were saying ...

Am quite thankful the truth is starting to come out, but the government continues their runs at regulations and their tilting at windmills.

Here is an excellent documentary for the average Joe on the street... to understand what the mechanism is for "Global Warming" and "Global Cooling" -- which is not "Anthropogenic Global Warming"... :-)



It’s one thing to gripe and complain about these things and disagree with it, but it’s quite another to convince your friends and neighbors and relatives and coworkers...

THEREFORE..., it’s also absolutely necessary for people to know the information in the following documentary. If there were simply one video that you could see and/or show people you know... this would be the one...


The following is an excellent video documentary on the so-called “Global Warming” I would recommend it to all FReepers. It’s a very well-made documentary.

“The Great Global Warming Swindle”

If you want to download it, via a BitTorrent site (using a BitTorrent client), you can get it at the following link. Information about BitTorrent protocol and BitTorrent clients and their comparison at these three links (in this sentence). Some additional BitTorrent information here and here.

Download it here...
http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/3635222/The_Great_Global_Warming_Swindle
[This is a high-quality copy, of about a gigabyte in size. This link is the information about it, and you have to click the download link to get it on your BitTorrent client software. You'll also find users' comments here, too.]

It’s worth seeing and having for relatives, friends, neighbors and coworkers to see.

Also, see it online here...
http://www.moviesfoundonline.com/great_global_warming_swindle.php
[this one is considerably lower quality, is a flash video and viewable online, of course..., and also, you can download flash video on a website either yourself or some software doing it.]

Buy it on DVD here...
[this would be the very highest quality version, on a DVD disk, of several gigabytes in size...] At Amazon, it seems to be high-priced now and have only a few copies right now.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000WLUXZE

At WAGtv (a UK shop), but don't know about shipping. The price is reasonable, though.
https://www.wagtv.com/product/The-Great-Global-Warming-Swindle-322.html
[And..., some information from WAGtv about this item.]


Also, in split parts on YouTube...

The Great Global Warming Swindle (Part 1 of 9)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TqqWJugXzs

The Great Global Warming Swindle (Part 2 of 9)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5rGpDMN8lw

The Great Global Warming Swindle (Part 3 of 9)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzFL6Ixe_bo

The Great Global Warming Swindle (Part 4 of 9)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNQy2rT_dvU

The Great Global Warming Swindle (Part 5 of 9)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dzIMXGI6k8

The Great Global Warming Swindle (Part 6 of 9)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GjOgQN1Jco

The Great Global Warming Swindle (Part 7 of 9)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHI2GfbfrYw

The Great Global Warming Swindle (Part 8 of 9)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7N9benJh3Lw

The Great Global Warming Swindle - Credits (Part 9 of 9)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_1ifP-ri58

17 posted on 03/21/2010 9:49:42 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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City receives 5 inches of snow [Topeka, Kansas]

BY TIM HRENCHIR, KEVIN ELLIOTT
Created March 20, 2010 at 8:47pm
Updated March 21, 2010 at 12:28am

A late winter storm this weekend that ushered in the start of spring dropped more than 5 inches of snow in Topeka by Saturday night, nearly doubling the average snowfall for the month of March.

John Woynick, a meteorologist with the National Weather Service in Topeka, said additional accumulations were expected Saturday as another wave of snow moved toward the capital city from south-central Kansas.

Snow accumulation at 8 p.m. measured 5.2 inches at Topeka's Phillip Billard Municipal Airport, surpassing the area's 2.8-inch average for the entire month of March, according to the weather service.


Top 5 snowfalls
This weekend’s snow storm raises Topeka’s snowfall total for the 2009-2010 cold weather season to 40.7 inches by 5 p.m. Saturday, moving it from 10th to eighth on the city’s snowiest winters on record.

Source: National Weather Service


As much as 7 inches of snow had fallen by 8 p.m. in parts of Shawnee, Douglas, Jefferson, Wabaunsee, Jackson and Osage counties. The weather service estimated about 4 inches of snow by 8 p.m. Saturday in the Manhattan area and 2 or 3 inches of snow in parts of Geary and Lyon counties.

The weather service estimated an additional 1 to 3 inches were possible by Sunday morning along and southeast of a line from Lawrence to Emporia.

The snowfall attracted sledders to Quinton Heights hill just west of S.W. 24th and Topeka Boulevard, where Vernon Neff and his 7-year-old son, Nate, were among about 25 people taking trips down the hill using sleds or other means.

When asked about the sledding conditions, Vernon Neff said they were "a little windy," while Nate said he thought they were good.

"It doesn't seem to affect them," Vernon Neff said, gesturing toward his son and another child who was nearby.

City spokesman David Bevens said the city had 10 road crews working to clear streets but planned to call it a day at 7 p.m. Saturday. He said someone would be on call overnight if authorities made any requests.

Slick roadways helped precipitate what a Kansas Highway Patrol dispatcher described as "numerous slide-offs" in the Topeka area.

The Kansas Highway Patrol on Saturday morning said slick conditions caused a temporarily closure of Interstate 70 just west of Topeka, near S.W. Valencia Road. Dispatchers said the move was made in an effort to avoid serious problems linked to semi-trailers having trouble climbing ice-packed hills on I-70 in that area. The roadway was reopened at 9:43 a.m.

Injuries from a weather-related crash Saturday morning claimed the life of an Overland Park man when his vehicle struck the back of a tow truck in Johnson County, the patrol said.

Troopers said the man, Courtney Smith, 21, lost control of his 2004 Chevrolet Impala about 4:18 a.m. and struck the rear of a tow truck that was pulling a vehicle out of the median on southbound US-169 highway at 175th Street.

Shawnee County emergency dispatchers said sheriff's deputies responded to 20 accidents between 10 p.m. Friday and 5 p.m. Saturday, including one injury accident. Topeka police responded to 22 accidents, including one injury wreck and three hit-and-runs.

Topeka police at 6 p.m. Saturday remained in its Phase III accident reporting stage, meaning officers respond to injury accidents, hit-and-run crashes and disabling vehicle wrecks. Motorists involved in minor, non-injury accidents are advised to exchange information and file a report when weather improves.

Tim Hrenchir can be reached at (785) 295-1184 or tim.hrenchir@cjonline.com. Kevin Elliott can be reached at (785) 295-1192 or kevin.elliott@cjonline.com.

18 posted on 03/21/2010 12:50:22 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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