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Obama to Spend $10.3 Trillion on Welfare
The Heritage Foundation ^ | September 16, 2009 | Robert Rector , Kiki Bradley and Rachel Sheffield

Posted on 03/28/2010 1:59:15 PM PDT by Conservative Coulter Fan

Since the beginning of the War on Poverty, government has spent vast sums on welfare or aid to the poor; however, the aggregate cost of this assistance is largely unknown because the spending is fragmented into myriad programs.

As this report shows, means-tested welfare or aid to poor and low-income persons is now the third most expen­sive government function. Its cost ranks below support for the elderly through Social Security and Medicare and below government expenditures on education, but above spending on national defense. Prior to the current reces­sion, one dollar in seven in total federal, state, and local government spending went to means-tested welfare.

Means-tested welfare spending or aid to the poor consists of government programs that provide assistance delib­erately and exclusively to poor and lower-income people. By contrast, non-welfare programs provide benefits and services for the general population. For example, food stamps, public housing, Medicaid, and Temporary Assistance for Needy Families are means-tested aid programs that provide benefits only to poor and lower-income persons. On the other hand, Social Security, Medicare, police protection, and public education are not means-tested; they pro­vide services and benefits to persons at all income levels.

In fiscal year (FY) 2008, total government spending on means-tested welfare or aid to the poor amounted to $714 billion. This high level of welfare spending was the result of steady permanent growth in welfare spending over several decades rather than a short-term response to temporary economic conditions.

Of the $714 billion in welfare spending, $522 billion (73 percent) was federal expenditures, and $192 billion (27 percent) was state government funds. Nearly all state government welfare expenditures are required matching contributions to federal welfare programs. These contributions could be considered a "welfare tax" that the federal government imposes on the states. Ignoring these matching state payments into the federal welfare system results in a serious underestimation of spending on behalf of the poor.

Of total means-tested spending in FY 2008, 52 percent was spent on medical care for poor and lower-income persons, and 37 percent was spent on cash, food, and housing aid. The remaining 11 percent was spent on social ser­vices, training, child development, targeted federal education aid, and community development for lower-income persons and communities. Roughly half of means-tested spending goes to disabled or elderly persons. The other half goes to lower-income families with children, most of which are headed by single parents.

Total means-tested welfare spending in FY 2008 amounted to around $16,800 for each poor person in the U.S.; however, some welfare spending goes to individuals who have low incomes but are not below the official poverty line (about $22,200 per year for a family of four). Typically, welfare benefits are received not just by the poor, but also by persons who have incomes below 200 percent of the federal poverty level ($44,400 per year for a family of four). Around one-third of the U.S. population falls within this lower income range. On average, welfare spending amounts to around $7,000 per year for each individual who is poor or who has an income below 200 percent of the poverty level. This comes to $28,000 per year for each lower-income family of four.

Welfare spending has grown enormously since President Lyndon B. Johnson launched the War on Poverty. Wel­fare spending was 13 times greater in FY 2008, after adjusting for inflation, than it was when the War on Poverty started in 1964. Means-tested welfare spending was 1.2 percent of the gross domestic product (GDP) when Presi­dent Johnson began the War on Poverty. In 2008, it reached 5 percent of GDP.

Annual means-tested welfare spending is more than sufficient to eliminate poverty in the United States. The U.S. Census Bureau, which is in charge of measuring poverty and inequality in the nation, defines a family as poor if its annual income falls below official poverty income thresholds. If total means-tested welfare spending were simply converted into cash benefits, the sum would be nearly four times the amount needed to raise the income of all poor families above the official poverty line.

One may reasonably ask how government can spend so much on welfare and still have great inequality and so many people living in apparent poverty. The answer is that the Census ignores nearly the entire welfare system in its measurements. In its conventional reports, the Census counts only 4 percent of total welfare spending as income. Most government discussions of poverty and inequality do not account for the massive transfers of the welfare state.

Since the beginning of the War on Poverty, government has spent $15.9 trillion (in inflation-adjusted 2008 dol­lars) on means-tested welfare. In comparison, the cost of all other wars in U.S. history was $6.4 trillion (in inflation-adjusted 2008 dollars).

In his first two years in office, President Barack Obama will increase annual federal welfare spending by one-third from $522 billion to $697 billion. The combined two-year increase will equal almost $263 billion ($88.2 bil­lion in FY 2009 plus $174.6 billion in FY 2010). After adjusting for inflation, this increase is two and a half times greater than any previous increase in federal welfare spending in U.S. history. As a share of the economy, annual fed­eral welfare spending will rise by roughly 1.2 percent of GDP.

Under President Obama, government will spend more on welfare in a single year than President George W. Bush spent on the war in Iraq during his entire presidency. According to the Congressional Research Service, the cost of the Iraq war through the end of the Bush Administration was around $622 billion. By contrast, annual federal and state means-tested welfare spending will reach $888 billion in FY 2010. Federal welfare spending alone will equal $697 billion in that year.

While campaigning for the presidency, Obama lamented that "the war in Iraq is costing each household about $100 per month." Applying the same standard to means-tested welfare spending reveals that welfare will cost each household $560 per month in 2009 and $638 per month in 2010.

Most of Obama's increases in welfare spending are permanent expansions of the welfare state, not temporary increases in response to the current recession. According to the long-term spending plans set forth in Obama's FY 2010 budget, combined federal and state spending will not drop significantly after the recession ends. In fact, by 2014, welfare spending is likely to equal $1 trillion per year.

According to President Obama's budget projections, federal and state welfare spending will total $10.3 trillion over the next 10 years (FY 2009 to FY 2018). This spending will equal $250,000 for each person currently living in poverty in the U.S., or $1 million for a poor family of four.

Over the next decade, federal spending will equal $7.5 trillion, while state spending will reach $2.8 trillion. These figures do not include any of the increases in health care expenditure currently being debated in Congress.

In the years ahead, average annual welfare spending will be roughly twice the spending levels under President Bill Clinton after adjusting for inflation. Total means-tested spending is likely to average roughly 6 percent of GDP for the next decade.


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"The Obama budget is sending a clear message to members of high-risk communities: “Stay on welfare and don’t get married.” This message, however, is the very reason poverty continues to be a problem in the U.S. and why Lyndon Johnson’s War on Poverty failed. While there was brief success in reversing this trend after the 1996 welfare reform initiative, President Obama and his counterparts in Congress are intent on reviving the failed policies of the past and enslaving more low-income families onto welfare and into intergenerational poverty and government dependence."--Katherine Bradley, "How President Obama’s Budget Will Demolish Welfare Reform"


The 2009 Index of Dependence on Government (Are We Socialist yet?)

1 posted on 03/28/2010 1:59:15 PM PDT by Conservative Coulter Fan
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan

That’s the plan. Get everyone hooked on a so-called freebie
and they’ll be a socialist voter forever.


2 posted on 03/28/2010 2:02:51 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (demonicRATS... taxes, pain and slow death. Is this what you want?)
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To: TribalPrincess2U

Obama is inviting us all to have a second childhood.


3 posted on 03/28/2010 2:04:59 PM PDT by Conservative Coulter Fan (I am defiantly proud of being part of the Religious Right in America.)
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan
I have read this study, another excellent analysis by Rector and Heritage. In the study, they discuss the impact of immigration, legal and illegal. Milton Friedman said, “You cannot simultaneously have free immigration and a welfare state.” And we have a welfare state and mass immigration. It will bankrupt this country.

Rector's seminal 2006 study, Importing Poverty: Immigration and Poverty in the United States: A Book of Charts, should be required reading for any policy maker.

4 posted on 03/28/2010 2:05:44 PM PDT by kabar
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan
Plato on Obama, medium
5 posted on 03/28/2010 2:06:49 PM PDT by Oceander (The Price of Freedom is Eternal Vigilance -- Thos. Jefferson)
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan

The United States has the richest poor people in the world.


6 posted on 03/28/2010 2:06:51 PM PDT by Islander7 (If you want to anger conservatives, lie to them. If you want to anger liberals, tell them the truth.)
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To: Islander7

What are they calling poor? The so called poor around here have cell phones, money for drugs ,tobacco and cars.


7 posted on 03/28/2010 2:12:10 PM PDT by Gotteskrieger
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To: Gotteskrieger
What are they calling poor? The so called poor around here have cell phones, money for drugs ,tobacco and cars.

And now pie. Really, really expensive pie.

8 posted on 03/28/2010 2:13:44 PM PDT by Mygirlsmom (R.I.P. Republic In Peril)
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan

Barack the Kenyan told “Joe the Plumber” that he wasn’t going to do this. The only problem is, the morons who live in this country didn’t believe him. They wanted to make “history” so they voted for “the black guy”.


9 posted on 03/28/2010 2:14:25 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (The government is "piggin' out" and getting fatter while it demands that the people go on a diet.)
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan

Won’t be for long....within the next few years plus, the US will be going default and be assured, some serious cuts are going to take place in those vast social programs we have in this country....bet.


10 posted on 03/28/2010 2:15:09 PM PDT by cranked
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To: Islander7

I think I’ll stop working to become poor, so the gov’t can make me rich.


11 posted on 03/28/2010 2:15:48 PM PDT by Rennes Templar
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To: Gotteskrieger

My point exactly. I have to pass a drug test to get and keep a job, but the government takes my earnings to give to drug dealers. What a country!


12 posted on 03/28/2010 2:16:26 PM PDT by Islander7 (If you want to anger conservatives, lie to them. If you want to anger liberals, tell them the truth.)
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan

Hu Jintao will call the shots financially for us in the long run.


13 posted on 03/28/2010 2:16:54 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan

He might try. But I think these clowns have reached the end of the road on taxes. Further tax increases are just going to reduce the GDP, and the deficit now exceeding $1.5 trillion, will balloon to in excess of $2 trillion per year. Needless to say, that won’t last long before the economic machine assumes the fetal position.


14 posted on 03/28/2010 2:18:06 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Islander7
Nothing will stop this. But, I want a law that would make those Welfare Queens -- NAME THE FATHER.

If they won't name the father, they don't get welfare.

Make those Feral Tom Cats pay, one way or another. Support, Castrate, Prison. Their choice.

I am sick and tired of the Tom Cats procreating on every street corner, with dozens of women. These procreated kids will someday procreate with their own sisters, cousins.

They have no way of knowing each other. Find the fathers, take a DNA and match it to all kids on welfare.

This is simple, will it be done, NO.

15 posted on 03/28/2010 2:19:30 PM PDT by annieokie
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To: TribalPrincess2U

Millions, billions, trillions
Are really just
Omillions, Obillions, Otrillions

Vast-visioned America
Progressive to the end
Envisions all the way to Ozillions
Wheelbarrows-full for the minions

Moodys’, Fitches, Standard and Poor
Triple AAA to BBB- evermore
Triple OAAA to OBBB
It’s all inevitable, you see


16 posted on 03/28/2010 2:21:40 PM PDT by givemELL (Does Taiwan Meet the Criteria to Qualify as an "Overseas Territory of the United States"? by Richar)
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To: Rennes Templar

No never stop working. There are lots of folks depending on your taxes.

I see you are a health professional. I had a small medical equipment business for several years. I’d make deliveries to public housing areas where the residents lived better than me; big TVs, nice cars, stereos, big slobs on food stamps, drug dealers on every corner. It was such a motivating effect. Makes me so proud to work my butt off 60-70 hours a week and have 60% of my earnings taken from me via taxes.


17 posted on 03/28/2010 2:23:15 PM PDT by Islander7 (If you want to anger conservatives, lie to them. If you want to anger liberals, tell them the truth.)
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To: Gotteskrieger; All
This week, the Obama administration announced it will create a new poverty-measurement system that will eventually displace the current poverty measure. This new measure, which has little or nothing to do with actual poverty, will serve as the propaganda tool in Obama’s endless quest to “spread the wealth.”

Under the new measure, a family will be judged “poor” if its income falls below a certain specified income threshold. Nothing new there, but, unlike the current poverty standards, the new income thresholds will have a built-in escalator clause: They will rise automatically in direct proportion to any rise in the living standards of the average American.

The current poverty measure counts absolute purchasing power — how much steak and potatoes you can buy. The new measure will count comparative purchasing power — how much steak and potatoes you can buy relative to other people. As the nation becomes wealthier, the poverty standards will increase in proportion. In other words, Obama will employ a statistical trick to ensure that “the poor will always be with you,” no matter how much better off they get in absolute terms.

The Left has promoted this idea of an ever-rising poverty measure for a long time. It was floated at the beginning of the War on Poverty and flatly rejected by Pres. Lyndon Johnson. Not so President Obama, who consistently seeks to expand the far-left horizons of U.S. politics.

The weird new poverty measure will produce very odd results. For example, if the real income of every single American were to magically triple over night, the new poverty measure would show there had been no drop in “poverty,” because the poverty income threshold would also triple. Under the Obama system, poverty can be reduced only if the incomes of the “poor” are rising faster than the incomes of everyone else.

Another paradox of the new poverty measure is that countries such as Bangladesh and Albania will have lower poverty rates than the United States, even though the actual living conditions in those countries are extremely bad. Haiti would probably have a very low poverty rate when measured by the Obama system because the earthquake reduced much of the population to a uniform penniless squalor.

According to Obama’s measure, economic growth per se has no impact on poverty. Since the beginning of the 20th century, the incomes of nearly all Americans have increased sevenfold, after adjusting for inflation. However, from Obama’s perspective, this increase in real incomes had no impact on poverty, because the wages of those at the bottom of the income distribution did not rise faster than the incomes of those in the middle.

What has the Obama measure to do with actual poverty? Not much. For most Americans, the word “poverty” suggests destitution: an inability to provide a family with nutritious food, clothing, and reasonable shelter. But only a small number of the 40 million per­sons classified as poor under the government’s current poverty definition fit that description. Most of America’s poor live in material conditions that would have been judged comfortable, or even well-off, two generations ago.

The government’s own data show that the typical American defined as poor (according to the traditional, pre-Obama poverty measure) has two color televisions, cable or satellite service, a VCR or DVD player, and a stereo. He also has a car, air conditioning, a refrig­erator, a stove, a clothes washer and dryer, and a microwave. He is able to obtain medical care. His home is in good repair and is not overcrowded. By his own report, his family is not hungry, and he had suf­ficient funds in the past year to meet his family’s essential needs. While this individual’s life is not opulent, it is far from the stark images conveyed by the mainstream media and liberal politicians.

Clearly, “poverty” as currently defined by the government has little connection with “poverty” as the average American understands it. The new Obama poverty measure will stretch this semantic gap, artificially swelling the number of “poor” Americans, and severing any link between the government’s concept of poverty and even modest deprivation.

In honest English, the new system will measure income inequality, not poverty. Why not just call it an “inequality” index? Answer: because the American voter is unwilling to support massive welfare increases, soaring deficits, and tax increases to equalize incomes. However, if the goal of income leveling is camouflaged as a desperate struggle against poverty, hunger, and dire deprivation, then the political prospects improve. The new measure is a public-relations Trojan horse, smuggling in a “spread the wealth” agenda under the ruse of fighting real material privation — a condition that is rare in our society. Source

18 posted on 03/28/2010 2:26:32 PM PDT by Conservative Coulter Fan (I am defiantly proud of being part of the Religious Right in America.)
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan

Since Dingy Harry Reid had previously called the war in Iraq lost, can we just call the War on Poverty lost, too?


19 posted on 03/28/2010 2:32:40 PM PDT by bigredkitty1 (March 5,2010. I will miss you, Big Red.)
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan

***“Stay on welfare and don’t get married.” This message, however, is the very reason poverty continues to be a problem in the U.S. and why Lyndon Johnson’s War on Poverty failed.****

Absolutly true! I remember when Johnson went to Appalachia to announce his program and job training to a hillbilly that had never held a job. Twenty five years later, that same hillbilly still had never worked a day of his life but had spent his life still drawing government WELFARE checks.

When my mom retired, she had only SSI to support her, plus a small job. One day a local social worker for the welfare department tried to get her to become a welfare recipiant. We found out that the ONLY reason she wanted mom on welfare was it gave the social worker more JOB SECURITY!

Mom never went on welfare.

Old joke from the 1960s...
A hillbilly is napping while his wife is reading the newspaper.

Wife: “Luke, it says here the president has declared war on poverty!”

Husband: “Well, if he wants me in that war he is gonna have to draft me!”


20 posted on 03/28/2010 2:37:39 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Obama's vision for America...Green shoots and skittles, where pancakes grow on fritter trees.)
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan

That chart could also represent social pathologies in the black community. Disease, single moms, out of wedlock births (quaint phrase), divorce rates, murder, drive-by shootings, drug use, HIV/AIDS, incarceration...you name it. The more wealth we transfer, the worse things get.

Get ready for a whole new round of even more virulent pathologies embedded for the next 3 or 4 generations.


21 posted on 03/28/2010 2:48:56 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan
This is part of their planned agenda. The progressives are the Democratic Socialist party , working through the Democratic party. (the bribes and threats were progressive socialist against Democrats.) We are being transformed by the Democratic socialist party. From their web site--reads like current administrations agenda

-- The Political Perspective of the Democratic Socialists of America

--We are socialists because we reject an international economic order sustained by private profit, alienated labor, race and gender discrimination, environmental destruction, and brutality and violence in defense of the status quo.

--The fundamental task of democratic socialists is to build anti-corporate social movements capable of winning reforms that empower people.

--In the United States, we must fight for a humane public policies that will provide quality health care, education, and job training and that redirect public investment from the military to much-neglected urban housing and infrastructure. Such policies require the support of a majoritarian coalition of trade unionists, people of color, feminists, gays and lesbians and all other peoples committed to democratic change. Our greatest contribution as American socialists to global social justice is to build that coalition, which is key to transforming the power relations of global capitalism.

---Socialists have historically supported public ownership and control of the major economic institutions of society -- the large corporations -- in order to eliminate the injustice and inequality of a class-based society, and have depended on the the organization of a working class party to gain state power to achieve such ends. In the United States, socialists joined with others on the Left to build a broad-based, anti-corporate coalition, with the unions at the center, to address the needs of the majority by opposing the excesses of private enterprise.

---Social Redistribution. --the shift of wealth and resources from the rich to the rest of society--will require:

1.--massive redistribution of income from corporations and the wealthy to wage earners and the poor and the public sector, in order to provide the main source of new funds for social programs,income maintenance and infrastructure rehabilitation, and

2.--a massive shift of public resources from the military (the main user of existing discretionary funds) to civilian uses.

Although such reforms will be very difficult to achieve on a national scale in the short term, their urgency increases as income inequality intensifies. Over time, income redistribution and social programs will be critical not only to the poor but to the great majority of working people. The defense and expansion of government programs that promote social justice, equal education for all children, universal health care, environmental protection and guaranteed minimum income and social well-being is critical for the next Left.

WHERE WE STAND DSA

Election agenda

--Electoral tactics are only a means for democratic socialists; the building of a powerful anti-corporate coalition is the end. Where third party or non-partisan candidates mobilize such coalitions, democratic socialists will build such organizations and candidacies. However, to democratize U.S. electoral politics - whatever its party form -requires serious campaign finance reform both within and without the Democratic Party.

Pelosi is a big part of this.


22 posted on 03/28/2010 2:49:27 PM PDT by opentalk
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan

Something is definitely wrong here. We all know that clinton ended “welfare as we know it” way back in 1995. Why does that graph show the numbers going up and up and up?


23 posted on 03/28/2010 2:50:53 PM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: Brilliant

In addition to taxes, now for every dollar the Govt. borrows, a NEGATIVE $.45 is the GDP result. We are past the point of no return. Here is an article and graph in support:

http://www.swarmusa.com/vb4/entry.php/25-THE-Most-Important-Chart-of-the-CENTURY

On older, outdated set of data from 1910 on that has not counted recent borrowings:

Year Gross Debt in Billions [6] as % of GDP
1910 2.6 n/a
1920 25.9 n/a
1930 16.2 n/a
1940 43.0 52.4
1950 257.4 94.1
1960 290.5 56.1
1970 380.9 37.6
1980 909.0 33.3
1990 3,206.3 55.9
2000 5,628.7 58.0
2001 5,769.9 57.4
2002 6,198.4 59.7
2003 6,760.0 62.5
2004 7,354.7 64.0
2005 7,905.3 64.6
2006 8,451.4 64.9
2007 8,950.7 65.5
2008 9,985.8 70.2
2009 (est.) 12,867.5 90.4
2010 (est.) 14,456.3 98.1
2011 (est.) 15,673.9 101.1
2012 (est.) 16,565.7 100.6
2013 (est.) 17,440.2 99.7
2014 (est.) 18,350.0 100.9


24 posted on 03/28/2010 2:57:21 PM PDT by givemELL (Does Taiwan Meet the Criteria to Qualify as an "Overseas Territory of the United States"? by Richar)
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan

The way a society should run is for every able bodied person to have a job, not for a huge group to receive financial aid from the rest of us (the aid takes numerous forms including tax and mortgage breaks and now healthcare). Now a huge group (40 percent or so) pays no taxes. Crazy, man! And here we are cranking up a healthcare program to give additional aid primarily to that same 40 percent.

Universal healthcare is a wonderful idea from a moral standpoint. The only problem is cost. The only real solution is for practically everyone to make enough to to pay for their universal level of healthcare. The solution is not to have the universal level of healthcare to be so expensive that an enormous fraction of our population must have a subsidy. Massive programs where one part of the population takes care of another part only sap the society’s energy and motivation.


25 posted on 03/28/2010 2:57:50 PM PDT by frposty (I'm a simpleton)
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan
That chart just can't keep going up exponentially.

Margaret Thatcher: "The trouble with Socialism is, sooner or later you run out of other people's money."

"When you subsidize poverty and failure, you get more of both." - James Dale Davidson, National Taxpayers Union

So, Patriots, when is real change going to happen?


26 posted on 03/28/2010 2:59:41 PM PDT by Art in Idaho
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To: Brilliant

How long will it take this administration to bring this country and its citizens to the same status as Haiti or other third world African and Asian nations? Soon if some type of action isn’t taken.


27 posted on 03/28/2010 3:00:06 PM PDT by Trysk
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To: givemELL

In 2014, it will be $18.35 trillion? My suspicion is that Obamacare will never go into effect. I don’t think the federal government is going to survive the next 4 years.


28 posted on 03/28/2010 3:01:12 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Trysk

Maybe he’ll stop when he reaches an Obamillion?


29 posted on 03/28/2010 3:01:44 PM PDT by Cheryllynn
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To: frposty
I don't agree with your viewpoint on the morality of "universal coverage," but here's a graph you'll want to see.


30 posted on 03/28/2010 3:02:35 PM PDT by Conservative Coulter Fan (I am defiantly proud of being part of the Religious Right in America.)
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To: All

Obamacare will create jobs for 17,000 more IRS agents, more govt. people to harass us, and possibly imprison some of us.


31 posted on 03/28/2010 3:06:23 PM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: Islander7
I have to pass a drug test to get and keep a job

Exactly.

32 posted on 03/28/2010 3:09:14 PM PDT by bigheadfred (BE WHO YOU ARE. SAY WHAT YOU FEEL. Those who matter don't mind.Those who mind don't matter)
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To: Brilliant

Yes, no valid currency inevitably means no country and probable war. The last time our country experienced a currency “not worth a Continental” was during the Revolutionary war. Now we have “not worth a dollar” approaching imminently, we have a revolutionary administration to transmorph the US into something visionary and mean, and we are in multiple wars/conflicts with one expanding temporarily (? Afganistan). This time we have Obama in comparison to George Washington and the founders....founders vs flounderers.


33 posted on 03/28/2010 3:09:21 PM PDT by givemELL (Does Taiwan Meet the Criteria to Qualify as an "Overseas Territory of the United States"? by Richar)
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan

CAGW Names Rep. Louise Slaughter Porker of the Month
http://www.cagw.org/newsroom/porker-of-the-month/2010/cagw-names-rep-louise.html


34 posted on 03/28/2010 3:18:05 PM PDT by katiedidit1
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
The more wealth we transfer, the worse things get.

And that's just the way they want it. Classic Cloward-Piven strategy to bankrupt the system and replace it with socialism/communism. "The Cloward-Piven Strategy seeks to hasten the fall of capitalism by overloading the government bureaucracy with a flood of impossible demands, thus pushing society into crisis and economic collapse." More Cloward-Piven info Here

Those SOB's doing this on purpose. Grrrr. Remember when you Vote and make sure every American knows by November 2, 2010!

35 posted on 03/28/2010 3:23:41 PM PDT by Art in Idaho
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To: opentalk

Well summed up—

Their political perspective surely includes ending America’s projection of power for freedom abroad—and well as ending freedom within.

If persons think they have all answers through Marxist analysis, while lacking restraints of religious faith, the ends justifies whatever means are necessary.

They become gods unto themselves.


36 posted on 03/28/2010 3:30:51 PM PDT by mtntop3
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan
In the words of Ann Coulter "the war on proverty is a failure". IMHO we should withdrawl from it imediately! IMHO it has kept generations from achieving what they could have because it is easy to just stay there and allow everyone else to do for you.

A friend of mine went to work for Goodwill right after Welfare reform was passed. She was floored that so many she had go through her entry into the workforce progam had no idea how to fill out a application to go to work, nor had they ever known anyone who worked for a living.Many told her they were just there until they could get pregnant again becuse as long as you had a child unter the age of 2, the welfare kept coming.

37 posted on 03/28/2010 3:50:18 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan

The whole rotten system would crash and burn long before Premier Hussein ever gets his hands on that much money. The Chinese are our mortal enemies but they are not fools. Even they won’t lend us that much money...


38 posted on 03/28/2010 3:57:03 PM PDT by Bean Counter (I keeps mah feathers numbered, for just such an emergency...)
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan
Since the beginning of the War on Poverty, government has spent vast sums on welfare or aid to the poor

Pick a problem, whether it is poverty, or unemployment, or maintaining high employment,or average profits too low, or even average profits too high, and Keynesians will believe that the cure is increased government intervention, with increased government spending and increasingly larger government deficits.They don't have a problem with wasteful spending. They believe that the government can always tax more, borrow more, or print more money.

39 posted on 03/28/2010 4:08:23 PM PDT by mjp (pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, independence, limited government, capitalism})
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan

Surprise, surprise..
The scumbag Ubanga administration is all about reparations.


40 posted on 03/28/2010 4:11:16 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan

Did you know that 50% of the folks on welfare are immigrants?

It used to be that no one could immigrate to the U.S. unless they had a sponsor. Obviously that no longer is the case.

Thus the skyrocketing numbers on welfare.


41 posted on 03/28/2010 4:16:46 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NO Foreign Nationals as our President!!)
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan

Timeline of Major Provisions in the Democrats’ Health Care Package

http://www.scribd.com/doc/29006463/Timeline-of-Major-Provisions-in-the-Democrats%E2%80%99-Health-Care-Package


42 posted on 03/28/2010 4:26:59 PM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan
NoPityForTheLazy...
43 posted on 03/28/2010 4:58:12 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: opentalk

Thanks for posting that. It doesn’t just “read like the current administration agenda” — it fits the current administration to a tee. What a recipe for disaster.


44 posted on 03/28/2010 5:54:15 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan
The "zero tax liability" concept is somewhat deceitful because it doesn't count welfare payments thinly disguised as negative income taxes. I read a few weeks back that, if you sum up people with NEGATIVE taxes and zero tax liability (ie, EITC), then the bottom 60% pay NO income tax. We are truly at a "tipping point."
45 posted on 03/28/2010 5:58:28 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

The more I read the more depressed and angry I became. I don’t get the need to destroy the US and capitalism. We are the most free people of the globe. My only conclusion - is the absence of God in the politics of these people


46 posted on 03/28/2010 6:02:40 PM PDT by opentalk
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To: Art in Idaho

Alinsky was a follower of Cloward-Piven. Anybody who is knowledgeable in the Cloward-Piven strategy and Alinsky tactics understands 0’s game plan. He doesn’t have an original thought and is following their road to socialism/communism precisely.


47 posted on 03/28/2010 6:45:58 PM PDT by balls
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan

I think you’re correct. We are not an immoral society if our government does not pay for all citizens’ medical care. I only meant that it would be humane it were cheap.

Universal medical care makes sense to me only if every able-bodied citizen pays the same premium with no subsidies except for the truly disabled. Of course the premium would have to be very low for this to work, which won’t happen.

Thanks for the graphs — 34 percent pay no tax. This can’t be America!


48 posted on 03/28/2010 6:49:51 PM PDT by frposty (I'm a simpleton)
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan
Wow, we can't continue to go on like this!

Even under President Bush, these entitlements nearly doubled.

Republicans have never been the answer. We need a new party.

49 posted on 03/28/2010 6:59:18 PM PDT by Doe Eyes
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan
“Under President Obama, government will spend more on welfare in a single year than President George W. Bush spent on the war in Iraq during his entire presidency. According to the Congressional Research Service, the cost of the Iraq war through the end of the Bush Administration was around $622 billion. By contrast, annual federal and state means-tested welfare spending will reach $888 billion in FY 2010. Federal welfare spending alone will equal $697 billion in that year.”

Idiot liberals, you have lost every war since Vietnam, why NOT the War on Poverty. Figures.

50 posted on 03/28/2010 8:55:29 PM PDT by Chgogal (American Mugabe, get your arse out of my bank, my car, my doctor's office & my elec. utility.)
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