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New York Times: The Government and the Militia Movement (Here it comes!)
The New York Times ^ | March 30, 2010 | The Editors

Posted on 03/31/2010 5:12:31 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

The F.B.I.’s raids against members of a Michigan-based Christian militia over the weekend added to concerns about rising far-right activity across the country. Nine members of the group, called the Hutaree, face sedition and weapons charges in a scheme to kill law enforcement officers to incite an antigovernment revolt.

As the government deals with the re-emerging militia movement, what did it learn from the experiences of the 1990s, from the disastrous sieges in Ruby Ridge, Idaho, in 1992 and at the Branch Davidian compound in Waco, Tex., in 1993 to its handling of Oklahoma City bombing case?

Jess Walter, author, “Every Knee Shall Bow”
Catherine McNicol Stock, historian, “Rural Radicals”
David H. Bennett, historian, “The Party of Fear”
Kenneth Stern, American Jewish Committee
Robert Churchill, history professor, University of Hartford
Michael Barkun, political scientist, Syracuse University

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Lessons of Ruby Ridge

Jess Walter is the author of “Every Knee Shall Bow,” a nonfiction book about the Ruby Ridge standoff (re-released in 2002 as “Ruby Ridge”). A National Book Award finalist for fiction in 2006, he is the author of five novels, most recently “The Financial Lives of the Poets.”

The resurgence of radical right-wing extremism in America starts with today’s headlines: economic hardship, overheated political rhetoric, a perception that middle-American values are eroding.

The last such brush fire of extremism was already smoldering in 1992 (as it is now) when federal law enforcement agents doused it with gasoline—a series of missteps and cover-ups during a shootout and standoff that left three dead at Ruby Ridge, Idaho.

A year later, 79 people died in a shootout and fire at the Branch Davidian Compound in Waco, Tex. As the mishandling of these cases came to light, the radical right made unprecedented inroads into the mainstream. (continued)

(Excerpt) Read more at roomfordebate.blogs.nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Politics/Elections; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: awb; banglist; bhodoj; cw2; cwii; hr45; hutaree; militias; obama; reichstaggers
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Unlike the early 90's, we have the Internet and all news isn't filtered through ABC/CBS/CNN/NBC/PBS and the birdcage liners. The people aren't buying this "Tea Partiers are racist militia" tripe this time around.
1 posted on 03/31/2010 5:12:31 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I agree. What a load of horsefoodle.


2 posted on 03/31/2010 5:15:59 PM PDT by sayuncledave
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This is like THE APPLE DUMPLING GANG!


3 posted on 03/31/2010 5:16:24 PM PDT by tallyhoe
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There’s no evidence whatsoever that the Hutaree are “right wing”.

The criminal charges against them could have been lodged against BIll Ayers (Obama’s friend) and the Weather Underground and not missed a beat.


4 posted on 03/31/2010 5:22:48 PM PDT by muawiyah ("Git Out The Way")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Unlike the early 90's, we have the Internet and all news isn't filtered through ABC/CBS/CNN/NBC/PBS and the birdcage liners. The people aren't buying this "Tea Partiers are racist militia" tripe this time around.

Huge difference. All of the difference in the world. Which is why they are trying to get the authority to shut down the internet in the event of a "national emergency."

5 posted on 03/31/2010 5:24:55 PM PDT by Bahbah (Only dead fish go with the flow)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Very transparent. The left needs a boogy-man. The MSM is useless and should be ignored.


6 posted on 03/31/2010 5:27:42 PM PDT by alarm rider (The left will always tell you who they fear the most. What are they telling you now?)
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Hey, Times, Your a waste of trees and you have NO influence anymore. Just more leftie BS.


7 posted on 03/31/2010 5:32:44 PM PDT by Marty62 (marty60)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’m confused. According to the President’s neighbor Bill Ayers, killing police is a good thing.


8 posted on 03/31/2010 5:36:25 PM PDT by lurk
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To: lurk

But for right now; Keep you head down and your powder dry.


9 posted on 03/31/2010 5:40:44 PM PDT by maine yankee
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Not all of the essays are by leftards; this one is quite good.

The Movement’s Sharp Divide

Robert H. Churchill is associate professor of history at the University of Hartford. He is the author of “Shaking Their Guns in the Tyrant’s Face: Libertarian Political Violence and the Origins of the Militia Movement.”

In the mid 1990s hundreds of militia groups formed across the nation in response to the state-sponsored political violence on display at Ruby Ridge and Waco.

The movement was from its earliest days divided between two wings. Constitutional militias emphasized public meetings and membership open to all races and faiths. Their members were motivated by a fear of increasing state violence directed at gun owners, and they were primarily libertarian in their politics.

The constitutional militias took significant pains to free themselves from entanglement with the White Supremacist right. A smaller wing of the movement was more millenarian in its world view. Militias in this wing tended to organize underground cells. Many were sectarian in their composition, and there was a greater tolerance for the presence of avowed white supremacists in their ranks.

read the rest at the link in the OP


10 posted on 03/31/2010 5:40:58 PM PDT by Valpal1 ("All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.")
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The people aren't buying this "Tea Partiers are racist militia" tripe this time around.

There's still a lot of folks out there who think the Times & Co. are reliable.

ML/NJ

11 posted on 03/31/2010 5:41:53 PM PDT by ml/nj
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Many are.

Most people still follow what ever the evening news tells them. And when you add to that the anti Christian/conservative themes on TV (NCIS Los Angelas last night for instance), it becomes part of the culture.

No German in 1920 thought that the concentration camps would happen at first either, but they mainly followed along.

12 posted on 03/31/2010 5:50:19 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: SunkenCiv; cripplecreek; Candor7; little jeremiah; Las Vegas Ron

*ping*


13 posted on 03/31/2010 5:50:36 PM PDT by hennie pennie
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To: muawiyah
There’s no evidence whatsoever that the Hutaree are “right wing”.

Well, they're supposedly "Christian", white, and possibly...male. None of that would ever be allowed in a Marxist gang.

14 posted on 03/31/2010 5:56:10 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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Isolated groups of rural, trailer park militias are the only thing these Maxwell Smart wannabes seem to want to go after - low-hanging fruit. Nobody is impressed anymore when they send in half a battalion of government cops to take down and handful of loosely-wrapped survivalists. And nobody outside of Manhattan, Berkeley, and the Fourth Estate ruling elites gives the 'extreme right-wing militia threat' boogeyman one ounce of serious consideration. It's the millions and millions of law-abiding, tax-paying, leave-me-the-hell-alone, ordinary citizens who they're going to push too far. Let them try to muster the resources to put a lockdown on a good-sized town, or even an entire county. Hussein would have to suspend the Posse Comitatus Act to try and contain the ensuing uproar, because there wouldn't be enough civilian law enforcement - on any level - to spread around that thinly. He's pretty much kicked the dog one time too many as it is. And, as you said, this is an age that isn't solely reliant on the alphabet networks and dead tree publications to get info on current affairs. Kinda makes you wonder: if it really came down to shit-or-get-off-the-pot time in this country, what percentage of municipal, county, and state personnel would actually follow his dictates after a declaration of martial law? For that matter, to what degree would he get the compliance of the various branches of the military if he did suspend Posse Comitatus? Things that make ya go 'hmmmmm'.......


15 posted on 03/31/2010 5:58:29 PM PDT by Viking2002 (Where the hell can I get a court injunction to keep my own government out of my life?!?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

NYT. No need to read.


16 posted on 03/31/2010 6:02:51 PM PDT by windsorknot
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To: Still Thinking

The Weather Underground was overwhelmingly white, Christian, and male.


17 posted on 03/31/2010 6:03:15 PM PDT by muawiyah ("Git Out The Way")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Some basic political concepts might explain the thinking behind this nasty strategy, aside from Manhattan Paranoia/Woody Allen Syndrome, etc. Put simply, the White House would be wasting effort, time and money trying to convince those of us who cannot be persuaded, under any circumstances, ever, to support the re-election of this administration or any Member of Congress who belongs to the present majority on Jenkins Hill. Ordinarily, neither is this energy focused on those who likely to support those candidates under any circumstances. Instead, this energy is spent on the persuadable, but that's not what's happening here.

That the nomenklatura feels a need to hustle their own base with these appeals based on their characteristic bigotry might be a tip off about where they are actually losing support.

If McCain is defeated in the AZ GOP Primary... well, let's just say that, in warfare, the ultimate winners adapt to the field as it is and with its changes, not to the field as they would like it to be.

18 posted on 03/31/2010 6:04:37 PM PDT by Prospero (non est ad astra mollis e terris via)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The F.B.I.’s raids against members of a Michigan-based Christian militia over the weekend added to concerns about rising far-right activity across the country.

I'm more concerned about rising government activity

19 posted on 03/31/2010 6:18:25 PM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: muawiyah

Seriously? The white and male parts yes, but I had no idea most of them identified as Christian.


20 posted on 03/31/2010 6:25:54 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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