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Obama signs bill restricting mail-order cigarette sales
Buffalo News ^ | 4/1/10 | Jerry Zremski

Posted on 04/02/2010 8:20:16 AM PDT by Drango

Obama signs bill restricting mail-order cigarette sales

WASHINGTON — President Obama on Wednesday signed legislation that bans the U.S. Postal Service from shipping cigarettes — a measure that's expected to cripple the mail-order tobacco businesses run by members of the Seneca Nation of Indians.

White House press secretary Robert L. Gibbs announced the signing in a brief statement that included no comment on the new law, which the Senecas fought furiously.

In response, Seneca Nation President Barry E. Snyder Sr. accused the president of betraying the very Indian nations he wooed during his 2008 campaign and spoke to last fall.

"The president of the United States invited Native American leaders to Washington, D.C., in November and looked us in the eye as a sign of good faith in his pledge to protect federal treaties," Snyder said. "Now, four months later, he has betrayed that promise."

However, opponents of smoking rejoiced in Obama's action.

"Enactment of this legislation is a milestone in the fight to keep kids from smoking and prevent tax evasion that costs taxpayers billions each year," said Matthew L. Myers, president of the Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids.

In addition to banning the mailing of cigarettes, the Prevent All Cigarette Trafficking (PACT) Act requires those selling cigarettes on the Internet to:

• Pay all federal, state, local or tribal tobacco taxes and affix tax stamps before delivering any tobacco products to any customer.

• Register with the state where they are based and make periodic reports to state tax-collection officials.

• Check the age and ID of customers when they purchase tobacco and when the tobacco products are delivered.

The Seneca Nation has long contended that the bill would devastate the tax-free mail-order cigarette business that provided a bargain to a growing number of smokers while making some Senecas rich.

For months, the Senecas had said their cigarette industry employed 1,000 people, but in recent statements, the tribe — without explanation — boosted that figure to 3,000.

"We have at least 90 days from the signing before the postal delivery ban goes into effect, so we'll all be looking at ways to adapt and save as many jobs as possible," said J.C. Seneca, a tribal cqcouncillor and co-chairman of the Seneca Nation's Foreign Relations Committee.

Obama signed the bill less than two weeks after it passed the House by a 387-25 vote. Earlier in March, the Senate approved it unanimously.

The landslide votes and the president's signing show that the Senecas got nowhere in their attempt to pressure lawmakers — particularly Sen. Kirsten E. Gillibrand, D-N.Y. — to change their minds on the issue.

The tribe singled out Gillibrand in a billboard campaign, but on Wednesday, Snyder focused his ire on Obama, saying the Crow Nation should revoke the honorary membership that it gave to him during his presidential campaign.

"This is certainly not the first time a U.S. president has failed to honor federal treaty rights, but it is particularly hurtful when this country's first minority president turns his back on another group of minority Americans; it's a very personal pain and insult," Snyder said.

Lawmakers from both parties have said in the last month, though, that the PACT Act was merely common-sense legislation aimed at curbing the sale of tax-free cigarettes.

The bill had a powerful and unlikely coalition behind it, as anti-smoking groups teamed with convenience store owners and tobacco giants such as Altria to push the measure.

The Senecas consistently portrayed the bill as a gift to Big Tobacco, but supporters of the bill said that it was simply a matter of public health.

"The PACT Act will cut off a major source of tax-evading, low-cost tobacco from coming into New York and other states," said Scott T. Santarella, President and chief executive officer of the American Lung Association in New York. "The passage of this bill is a true public health victory because higher tobacco prices will prevent more kids from beginning to smoke and encourage more people to quit."

The Senecas stressed, though, that despite Obama's action, they aren't quitters.

"This is devastating for the Seneca Nation, the businesses and all the employees, but it won't take us down," Seneca said.

"We've been pushed around by the government for centuries, and we keep finding ways to survive."


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the Senate approved it unanimously.
1 posted on 04/02/2010 8:20:16 AM PDT by Drango
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To: Drango

“We’ve been pushed around by the government for centuries, and we keep finding ways to survive.”

Same with us.

Man, this just keeps getting better.


2 posted on 04/02/2010 8:21:31 AM PDT by scottdeus12 (Jesus is real, whether you believe in Him or not.)
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To: Drango

Mob 101 - You pay up to the boss or you get offed.


3 posted on 04/02/2010 8:21:48 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: Drango

we have to start preceeding his name with King.

King Obama this and King Obama that.


4 posted on 04/02/2010 8:21:56 AM PDT by George from New England (Escaped CT in 2006, now living north of Tampa)
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To: Drango; Revolting cat!; Slings and Arrows
a measure that's expected to cripple the mail-order tobacco businesses run by members of the Seneca Nation of Indians.

What do Democrats have against Native Americans?!!!

That's racist.

5 posted on 04/02/2010 8:22:19 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (VP Biden on Obamacare's passage: "This is a big f-ing deal". grumpygresh: "Repeal the f-ing deal")
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To: Drango

Can they ship UPS?


6 posted on 04/02/2010 8:22:21 AM PDT by Mr. Right Now
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To: Drango

Can’t blame the Pale Skins for another broken promise/treaty.


7 posted on 04/02/2010 8:22:47 AM PDT by C19fan
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To: Drango

Starve the beast. Quit smoking. For your wallet.


8 posted on 04/02/2010 8:23:02 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (FYBO: Islam is a religion of peace, and Muslims reserve the right to kill anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: Drango

Time to quit.


9 posted on 04/02/2010 8:23:48 AM PDT by screaminsunshine (i)
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To: Drango
UPS and FedEx will accomodate.
10 posted on 04/02/2010 8:23:50 AM PDT by unixfox
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To: Drango

Half-white man speak with forked tongue.


11 posted on 04/02/2010 8:23:59 AM PDT by Disambiguator (Progressivism, Socialism, Marxism, Communism - it's all shades of black.)
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To: Drango
The list of enemies this insane nitwit King Obama is building that we are getting a better chance at November than I thought. The problem is reversing this crap will take kicking his as@ out of office, that will be 2012. He will destroy so much freedom it might take years to dump.
12 posted on 04/02/2010 8:24:35 AM PDT by Logical me
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To: Drango

Big Chief Obama speak with forked tongue.


13 posted on 04/02/2010 8:24:39 AM PDT by MARTIAL MONK (I'm waiting for the POP!)
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To: Drango

Interstate commerce strikes again, as well as the nanny state.


14 posted on 04/02/2010 8:25:48 AM PDT by SouthTexas (Congress is out of order!)
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To: unixfox; Mr. Right Now

UPS and FedEx have already agreed NOT to ship cigarettes. A smaller carrier might carve out a market but it’s unlikely.


15 posted on 04/02/2010 8:26:01 AM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: George from New England
King Obama this and King Obama that.

Been saying this for months. Hope all the bloggers will catch on.

16 posted on 04/02/2010 8:26:06 AM PDT by Logical me
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To: Drango
Actually, if this was a special deal that only the Seneca Nation had, then maybe this was a good thing to do. Enough with the affirmative action. Although I doubt that that was their intention.

If they can't mail cigarettes, how about UPS? I suspect this is mostly about closing the tribal loopholes, though.

As for supporting Obama, well, they should have seen this coming. As long as he gets his cigarettes, he could care less whether anyone else does.


17 posted on 04/02/2010 8:27:03 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Drango

Big Tobacco wins over little tobacco. The Government picking losers and winners again. When people are taxed to death they do things to overcome even in that environment. Now another roadblock to continue to enslave folks and steal their money. Conservatives should have voted against this intrusion.


18 posted on 04/02/2010 8:27:07 AM PDT by vicar7
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To: dead
Thank You Obama

From the bottom of our hearts

19 posted on 04/02/2010 8:27:34 AM PDT by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: Drango

I thought treaties can’t be broken


20 posted on 04/02/2010 8:28:08 AM PDT by angelcindy ("If you follow the crowd,you get no further than the crowd")
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To: unixfox

UPS and FedEx have already folded like cheap cameras. They will not accommodate.

I wonder if the Senecas could manage to create a start-up trucking service. I’d love to see them be able to tell Obama to shove his stupid USPS.

Regards,


21 posted on 04/02/2010 8:29:16 AM PDT by VermiciousKnid (Sic narro nos totus!)
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To: Drango

So, Obama’s gunna have to actually INTO the store & get his lung tanners, now?


22 posted on 04/02/2010 8:29:24 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: unixfox

This is probably going to hurt the USPS more than anybody.


23 posted on 04/02/2010 8:29:28 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: Drango

FedEx operates out of our Post Offices now. They aren’t going to bite the hand that feeds them.


24 posted on 04/02/2010 8:29:39 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (VP Biden on Obamacare's passage: "This is a big f-ing deal". grumpygresh: "Repeal the f-ing deal")
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To: SouthTexas
Interstate commerce strikes again, as well as the nanny state.

Indian Reservations aren't another State.

25 posted on 04/02/2010 8:30:52 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (VP Biden on Obamacare's passage: "This is a big f-ing deal". grumpygresh: "Repeal the f-ing deal")
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To: Drango

The Senecas got Bidened.


26 posted on 04/02/2010 8:32:05 AM PDT by Thane_Banquo (Mitt Romney: He's from Harvard, and he's here to help.)
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To: a fool in paradise

The transfer across state lines.


27 posted on 04/02/2010 8:32:18 AM PDT by SouthTexas (Congress is out of order!)
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To: Drango

“In response, Seneca Nation President Barry E. Snyder Sr. accused the president of betraying the very Indian nations he wooed during his 2008 campaign and spoke to last fall. “

Yeah, just like everyone else he wooed... SUCKERS!!!


28 posted on 04/02/2010 8:32:33 AM PDT by autumnraine (You can't fix stupid, but you can vote it out!)
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To: Drango

Didn’t the progressives do a similar thing with prohibition? That worked out well.


29 posted on 04/02/2010 8:32:55 AM PDT by Tarpon ( ...Rude crude socialist Obama depends on ignorance to force his will on people)
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To: a fool in paradise

Often on my way to work I’m behind an SUV with a sticker that reads: “Sute you can trust the government. Just ask a Native American”


30 posted on 04/02/2010 8:34:35 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Drango
and to those who were "wooed" by the imposter:

http://www.sadtrombone.com/ press "PLAY"
or
Click for Humor "Press PLAY"

31 posted on 04/02/2010 8:34:42 AM PDT by j.argese
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To: angelcindy

Scalp him.


32 posted on 04/02/2010 8:35:14 AM PDT by AGreatPer (Impeach Obama)
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To: Drango
"The president of the United States invited Native American leaders to Washington, D.C., in November and looked us in the eye as a sign of good faith in his pledge to protect federal treaties," Snyder said. "Now, four months later, he has betrayed that promise."

And you believed him after all his other lies?

33 posted on 04/02/2010 8:35:31 AM PDT by DejaJude
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To: Drango
Sure, go ahead, tribal governments. Support any Democrat you want. They've been treating you the same way for over 200 years, and you keep coming back for more. Don't any of your have a brain in your heads?
34 posted on 04/02/2010 8:36:24 AM PDT by righttackle44 (Is Obama an Irish, Italian or Japanese name?)
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To: massgopguy

As a Native American about how Open Borders works.


35 posted on 04/02/2010 8:37:02 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (VP Biden on Obamacare's passage: "This is a big f-ing deal". grumpygresh: "Repeal the f-ing deal")
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To: Drango

I was a little frustrated reading this, thinking, “How can a business get around this legally?” Then it came clearly to me: use FedEx or UPS! Neither one of them is banned from transporting cigarettes.

Another useless law.


36 posted on 04/02/2010 8:37:13 AM PDT by Forgiven_Sinner (If you meet people with no brain, no heart and no courage, you are not in KS-You are in the Congress)
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To: unixfox

UPS & Fedex stopped shipping over 2 years ago...

just saying - usps was the last to BUCKLE


37 posted on 04/02/2010 8:38:14 AM PDT by LadyBuzz
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To: Forgiven_Sinner

FedEx and UPS stopped shipping cigarettes a year or two ago.


38 posted on 04/02/2010 8:39:01 AM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: Drango
...Seneca Nation President Barry E. Snyder Sr...

I'm impressed. I think he is the first American Indian leader I have ever seen written about who goes by an entirely "Europeanized" name.

Most of them I've seen in the past have names like: Chief Robert 'Bob' White Eagle or Running-Bear Smith or some other "combo" name.

39 posted on 04/02/2010 8:39:48 AM PDT by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: Drango

So now the Obamessiah will be sending Gibbs down to the 7-11 on 14th Street to get his ‘cigs’ for him instead of having them delivered by a postal employee?

And you all said EVERYTHING he does is designed to increase the size of the federal government.

Sounds to me like SOMEONE owes “Dear Leader” an apology!

;-)


40 posted on 04/02/2010 8:43:54 AM PDT by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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I'm impressed. I think he is the first American Indian leader I have ever seen written about who goes by an entirely "Europeanized" name.

Chief Gregory E. Pyle of the Choctaw Nation of Oklahoma.

41 posted on 04/02/2010 8:44:12 AM PDT by DejaJude
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To: Drango

Why would he need to this? The health bill is all encompassing and there are whole boards being created to support anything that will aid your health care.

The have the power of department and commie initiative to take away anything that doesn’t support a healthy life style.


42 posted on 04/02/2010 8:45:08 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: Drango

Only the beginning. Next, Federalizing all casinos.


43 posted on 04/02/2010 8:46:50 AM PDT by AGreatPer (Impeach Obama)
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To: Drango
Obama gets all his smokes tax free, as he travels abroad all the time u are allowed a carton every 30 days, to bring back in the country, duty free, about.$12.00 a carton, and then all his slaves who work for him, can bring back cartons as well..
44 posted on 04/02/2010 8:48:02 AM PDT by JoanneSD
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To: Drango

Well, that is at least 3,000 more people we can add to the unemployment figures. Worst. President. Ever!


45 posted on 04/02/2010 8:48:10 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: MARTIAL MONK
Big Chief Obama speak with forked tongue.

Big THIEF Obama speak with forked tongue. (fixed your typo for you)

46 posted on 04/02/2010 8:48:50 AM PDT by Fresh Wind ("...a whip of political correctness strangles their voice"-Vaclav Klaus on GW skeptics)
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To: a fool in paradise
What do Democrats have against Native Americans?!!!

Jealousy, because he was born in Kenya ;)

By the way, you can say "American Indian." Honest.

...by members of the Seneca Nation of Indians.

In fact when you drive onto the res' it says "Seneca Nation of Indians". Same as on their medical center and nearly everything else; its the official name.

Not saying you, but it seems that its mostly the liberals that have a problem with saying "Indian." Besides, anyone born in the US is a "native" american. Death by PC.

Now, saying injun, or 'skin will probably get you punched in the mouth.

47 posted on 04/02/2010 8:48:56 AM PDT by Repeat Offender (While the wicked stand confounded, call me with Thy Saints surrounded)
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To: qam1

Post of the Day!

Because that is all that it did - it will shift these sales to the black market. Not that many people bought online in comparison to the grand scheme of tobacco sales.

Government wants their state sales tax and big tobacco wanted their B&M sales. They think this will work...don’t count on it. Time to go after all online sales and grab that ‘stolen’ state tax revenue.

Oh, Cigars are exempt - One can still order cigars through the USPS. So much for “It’s for the children”


48 posted on 04/02/2010 8:51:10 AM PDT by libertarian27 (Ingsoc: Department of Life, Department of Liberty, Department of Happiness)
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To: libertarian27

It’s about the taxes.

Plus Obama seems to take delight in breaking treaties with allies.


49 posted on 04/02/2010 8:54:38 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (VP Biden on Obamacare's passage: "This is a big f-ing deal". grumpygresh: "Repeal the f-ing deal")
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To: WayneS
And you all said EVERYTHING he does is designed to increase the size of the federal government. Sounds to me like SOMEONE owes “Dear Leader” an apology!

I don't think so. Did you forget more Government workers will be needed to regulate this?

50 posted on 04/02/2010 8:54:41 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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