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Amish unaffected by new health law (Commiecare™ - So, You Want To Be Amish?)
Lancaster Online ^ | 3/28/10 | JON RUTTER

Posted on 04/03/2010 7:27:21 AM PDT by Libloather

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To: Eva; dirtboy
“Tell him that the Amish never asked the government to pave their roads. Most of the Amish farms predate paved roads.”

I've already tried but he won't budge.

All he sees is the Amish taking a few bucks from him.

It's ridiculous and petty.

The Amish want NOTHING from the government and in no way shape or form do they want GOVERNMENT paved roads. He is imposing his secular views on them and the Amish are not guilty of what he is accusing them of. It is the government forcing it's will on them. I doubt that anyone will get through to him.

41 posted on 04/03/2010 8:07:51 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: dirtboy

Typo correction:

The Allstate insured struck and KILLED the young boy.


42 posted on 04/03/2010 8:10:17 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: nmh

Once again, stop hyperventilating. I understand the Amish viewpoints just fine, I lived in Amish country in the past. I am just pointing out that their unwillingness to adapt to rubber wheels - out of what I think is a rather misguided application of their views towards pridefulness - leads to a conflict with local goverments over the damage their steel wheels (and especially on their heavy farm equipment) does to roads. They can be highly selective with their application of modern technology, such as allowing motors to perform farm functions as long as a motor is not actually providing the propulsion for the device - which is why you see horses pulling a gas-powered hay baler for example, or an old Amish man with a long white beard running a weed wacker around the yard (yes, I have seen both). Yet they won’t allow something as simple as rubber wheels that would resolve the damages their vehicles cause to paved roadways.


43 posted on 04/03/2010 8:11:18 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: KevinDavis

ping ping


44 posted on 04/03/2010 8:11:44 AM PDT by bunkerhill7
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To: Libloather
I'm pretty sure that can be done online now.

But are you allowed to use the Interwebs if you're Amish?

45 posted on 04/03/2010 8:13:53 AM PDT by Force of Truth (Yes political conservatives are libertarians. They want to have their rights and eat them too.)
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To: cripplecreek

It comes down to the Amish being unwilling to allow rubber tires on vehicles out of their application of pridefulness to such. Which, IMO, is misguided, as it would resolve the conflict and they are highly selective of application of technology as it is - IMO they are simply being stubborn when they could resolve the problem rather easily in a manner that would not require more taxes on their part or anyone else’s part. But their decisions are costing local goverments money in paving costs, which are not insignificant.


46 posted on 04/03/2010 8:14:37 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Libloather
Do people ever convert to the Amish faith? Yes, but it is relatively rare.

It's easier to just run for Congress to become exempt from all the government mandates and rules. And the retirement benefits are the best.

47 posted on 04/03/2010 8:15:43 AM PDT by Reeses (All is vanity)
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To: EternalVigilance

There is a case developing in Michigan, being run by the Thomas More Center on behalf of a small group of prolifers, that will challenge the constitutionality of the current exemption language on grounds it favors one religion over another, thereby violating the Establishment Clause. If they win (in the sense of expanding the exemption to proper constitutional limits), anyone with a sincerely held prolife conviction should be able to get the exemption as well, due to the taxpayer funding of abortion in the bill (executive order notwithstanding). Talk about capsizing the boat!

Furthermore, there will shortly be another group raising a similar challenge here in Illinois. It is our hope that we can run it as a class action suit. We will begin to take names of interested parties in a Facebook group yet to be named. Stay tuned ...


48 posted on 04/03/2010 8:15:51 AM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: dirtboy
“Once again, stop hyperventilating. I understand the Amish viewpoints just fine, I lived in Amish country in the past. I am just pointing out that their unwillingness to adapt to rubber wheels - out of what I think is a rather misguided application of their views towards pridefulness - leads to a conflict with local goverments over the damage their steel wheels (and especially on their heavy farm equipment) does to roads. They can be highly selective with their application of modern technology, such as allowing motors to perform farm functions as long as a motor is not actually providing the propulsion for the device - which is why you see horses pulling a gas-powered hay baler for example, or an old Amish man with a long white beard running a weed wacker around the yard (yes, I have seen both). Yet they won’t allow something as simple as rubber wheels that would resolve the damages their vehicles cause to paved roadways.”

Last chance to get it right!

Name calling doesn't work - “hyperventilating”. You're reacting like a liberal - don't do that worn out approach ... .

I see NO REASON for them to adopt to RUBBER WHEELS to make YOU happy. The Amish do NOT want rubber wheels. The Amish see this as a violation of their beliefs. I see NO REASON as to WHY they should chuck their beliefs to make you feel better about road damage. The Amish do NOT want the government paved roads to begin with and they should NOT need to rearrange their beliefs to accommodate your pet peeve about paved roads and changing to rubber wheels.

If some Amish are not measuring up to your expectations, then so be it! It something they handle in their community. It has nothing to do with you or I. Again, stop being so petty.

I am more concerned about how the Obama administration is running our country into the ground with debt than I am about changing the Amish faith to include rubber tires to ease road damage on GOVERNMENT roads that the Amish NEVER asked to have paved. You need to get over yourself and leave these fine people alone.

Have a nice day!

49 posted on 04/03/2010 8:18:39 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: nmh

Once again, get over yourself. Roads are a public resource. If the Amish owned the roads, they would have the right to use them in any manner they see fit. But they don’t own the roads. You are the one acting like a liberal here, in that stating that someone’s beliefs allow them to do whatever they want, and that the damage they cause should be borne by others.


50 posted on 04/03/2010 8:21:59 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: nmh
I am more concerned about how the Obama administration

Some of us have enough brainpower to multitask.

51 posted on 04/03/2010 8:22:31 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: nmh

It’s sickening on two counts: “. . . so everyone gets THEIR fair share.” The grammar matches the philosophy—progressive and wrong.


52 posted on 04/03/2010 8:22:54 AM PDT by Mach9 (.)
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To: maine-iac7

Amish country is much, much bigger than Pennsylvania. I do agree that PennDOT is a bunch of corrupt a-holes, however.


53 posted on 04/03/2010 8:23:39 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: cripplecreek
You must love Obama speeches.

Because of my recent Amish conversion, I've had to shoot my television. I sure will miss hearing Hussein EVERY STINKIN' DAY!

54 posted on 04/03/2010 8:23:42 AM PDT by Libloather (Tea totaler, PROUD birther, mobster, pro-lifer, anti-warmer, enemy of the state, extremist....)
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To: dirtboy
I can tell you’ve never driven a highway in Amish country

Up until one year ago I lived in the Amish country in Indiana (Mishawaka). Absolutely no road damage caused by those carriages and buggies. Perhaps in the state or area you live road construction isn't up to par of other areas.

55 posted on 04/03/2010 8:23:52 AM PDT by A_Tradition_Continues (formerly known as Politicalwit ...05/28/98 Class of '98...PROCESS MATTERS)
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To: A_Tradition_Continues

It’s the farm equipment that tends to cause the real damage, when they move it along roads.


56 posted on 04/03/2010 8:26:10 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy

Me: I am more concerned about how the Obama administration

You: Some of us have enough brainpower to multitask.

Me: No, this is outright petty. You have no sense of prority or what the facts are. The Amish do NOT want the government paved roads. There is something wrong with you .... .


57 posted on 04/03/2010 8:26:59 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: Force of Truth
But are you allowed to use the Interwebs if you're Amish?

I'm now Amish and I'm doing it. (Uh, oh. Is that TMI?)

58 posted on 04/03/2010 8:27:30 AM PDT by Libloather (Tea totaler, PROUD birther, mobster, pro-lifer, anti-warmer, enemy of the state, extremist....)
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To: Mach9

BTW, we put down “American” for race.

There is no way ILLEGALS should be encouraged to fill this out. It makes me sick.


59 posted on 04/03/2010 8:28:16 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: maine-iac7
So while you're slamming the Amish and long haulers

I guess you missed the /s at the end of the post. In Indiana the Amish are widely accepted. They pay federal, state and local taxes just like everyone else...utilize little in the way of resources and normally generate revenues for the local municipalities.

As far as OTR drivers, I simply couldn't do it. Way too much government regulation and other BS. What I hear on the Midnight Trucker Show this current federal administration is making it even tougher.

60 posted on 04/03/2010 8:30:28 AM PDT by A_Tradition_Continues (formerly known as Politicalwit ...05/28/98 Class of '98...PROCESS MATTERS)
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