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To: presidio9

Wow. Didn’t expect such rudeness and hostility from agreeing with you.

I think I’ll decline to respond in like and just let your assumptions speak for themselves.

I met Cal Thomas at a crisis pregnancy fundraiser. I was active in the program and supported the program as it successfully grew.

I’ve demonstrated outside of more than one clinic, one of which is now closed.

I’ve been hassled by the police for sitting in my car across the street from a clinic because the staff said they felt threatened by my presence. I was doing nothing but silently praying for the protesters in front of the clinic.

I’ve actually done more than most of the keyboard commandos here. Most are NATO...no action, talk only.

But the bottom line is that there is NOTHING one can do to stop a woman who has made up her mind.

The Bible doesn’t support life at conception.

Adam became a living soul with his first breath and leviticus says that the live of the flesh is in the blood.

The Bible doesn’t support a miscarriage (another name for abortion) as murder.

The penalty for causing a miscarriage was not the same as for a murder.

Funny about the fanatical subset of pro lifers here is that one can hate abortion, never encourage it, hope to never see it happen, yet still be labelled pro abortion by zealots.

They don’t mind heaping condemnation on women who are making the hardest and sometimes worst decisions of their lives.

Yeah, that’s Christian compassion, isn’t it? /s


124 posted on 04/06/2010 5:48:59 AM PDT by Eagle Eye (The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it is still on my list.)
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To: Eagle Eye
The Bible doesn’t support a miscarriage (another name for abortion) as murder.

WRONG!!!!. Miscarriage is NOT murder.

There is a world of difference between a miscarriage (accidental loss of the child) and the deliberate murder of a baby.

126 posted on 04/06/2010 5:55:31 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Eagle Eye
I am reminded of why I believe that the next libertarian who impresses me with intellect and flawless reasoning will be the first. You provided me with someone's impressive pro-life credentials, then set about making it impossible to believe that they are yours. You claim that you have done all these things in support of a cause you can't possibly feel that strongly about. You insert the God and the Bible into the conversation in order to directly quote prominent prominent abortion opponents. The idea that "the Bible doesn't support conception" is just plain dopey. We're not talking about Islam here. Very little of the Bible is the actual Word of God. The people who wrote the Bible had no concept of conception. Microscopes hadn't been invented yet. The theory at the time was that sperm was a seed which implanted in the womb. There are plenty of Biblicals to back that up. There are also plenty of lines refer to the unborn as human beings. Meanwhile, nowhere that I am aware of does the Bible specifically declare that the unborn are in any way less than human. Nowhere.

And I have to address this line directly:

The Bible doesn’t support a miscarriage (another name for abortion) as murder. Abortions are INDUCED miscarriages. Calling abortion the same thing as miscarriage is like calling strangulation the same thing as suffocation. The point of contention with abortion is that another human being made it happen.

Any rudeness I exhibited towards you in my earlier post was the result of my equal exasperations at libertarians and other people who can't help making illogical arguments. I don't know you personally. You probabally are a decent guy generally. But I'll repeat myself: There is no reason to oppose abortion, unless you think it's the same thing as murder. If it's anything less, then the mother's rights trump all arguments. If abortion isn't murder, it's no different from plastic surgery, or putting you cat to sleep: No one's business but my own. If a human life is, in fact, at stake, there can be no logical argument FOR abortion. Ever. Including the fact that woman's father forcibly impregnated her. If you have any trouble with this line of reasoning, then thanks for your previous help fighting abortions. You are relieved of your duty. You were always pro-choice. You just haven't figured it out yet. Artificial wombs are coming in the next decade. That should be extra confusing for people like you.

The fact that I have to explain all of this to you makes me wonder whether you are telling the truth about all that pro-life activism. You say you "hate abortion, never encourage it, hope to never see it happen." Why?

They don’t mind heaping condemnation on women who are making the hardest and sometimes worst decisions of their lives.

Abortion is always the worst (and last) episode in one person's life. We condemn the women who have them for one reason, plain and simple: The are murdering their own child for being inconvenient.

317 posted on 04/06/2010 8:10:24 PM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does)
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