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Mean Men (Priests commit no more abuse than other males)
Newsweek ^ | April 9, 2010 | Pat Wingert

Posted on 04/09/2010 6:16:37 AM PDT by NYer

The Catholic sex-abuse stories emerging every day suggest that Catholics have a much bigger problem with child molestation than other denominations and the general population. Many point to peculiarities of the Catholic Church (its celibacy rules for priests, its insular hierarchy, its exclusion of women) to infer that there's something particularly pernicious about Catholic clerics that predisposes them to these horrific acts. It's no wonder that, back in 2002—when the last Catholic sex-abuse scandal was making headlines—a Wall Street Journal-NBC News poll found that 64 percent of those queried thought Catholic priests "frequently'' abused children.

Yet experts say there's simply no data to support the claim at all. No formal comparative study has ever broken down child sexual abuse by denomination, and only the Catholic Church has released detailed data about its own. But based on the surveys and studies conducted by different denominations over the past 30 years, experts who study child abuse say they see little reason to conclude that sexual abuse is mostly a Catholic issue. "We don't see the Catholic Church as a hotbed of this or a place that has a bigger problem than anyone else," said Ernie Allen, president of the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children. "I can tell you without hesitation that we have seen cases in many religious settings, from traveling evangelists to mainstream ministers to rabbis and others."

Since the mid-1980s, insurance companies have offered sexual misconduct coverage as a rider on liability insurance, and their own studies indicate that Catholic churches are not higher risk than other congregations. Insurance companies that cover all denominations, such as Guide One Center for Risk Management, with more than 40,000 church clients, does not charge Catholic churches higher premiums.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: catholic; mean; protestant

1 posted on 04/09/2010 6:16:38 AM PDT by NYer
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To: NYer

How many men have bosses who help cover it up?


2 posted on 04/09/2010 6:17:25 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; markomalley; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; ...
Most child abusers have one thing in common, and it's not piety—it's preexisting relationships with their victims. That includes priests and ministers and rabbis, of course, but also family members, friends, neighbors, teachers, coaches, scout leaders, youth-group volunteers, and doctors. According to federal studies, three quarters of abuse occurs at the hands of family members or others in the victim's "circle of trust."

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3 posted on 04/09/2010 6:17:37 AM PDT by NYer ("Where Peter is, there is the Church." - St. Ambrose of Milan)
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To: NYer

I would expect people who dedicate their lives to God would have a slightly better record than the typical man.


4 posted on 04/09/2010 6:18:21 AM PDT by DManA
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To: Wolfie

Exactly. The problem is not the frequency of occurrence, it’s what happens after it’s discovered.


5 posted on 04/09/2010 6:21:32 AM PDT by delapaz
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To: NYer

Funny how a possible direct correlation between the Catholic faith and sexual abuse can be freely and publicly debated, while a direct connection between the Muslim faith and terrorism is off the table for fear of offending.


6 posted on 04/09/2010 6:24:04 AM PDT by Right Brother
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To: Right Brother
Bill Handel, a talk show host on KFI (L.A.) had a spot on nudist camps in SoCalifornia. He focused on their allowing adolescent children to romp around among the adults, while getting perfect tans. Then he noted the number of lawsuits filed against the camps for sexual harrassment: ZERO

He then asked the question: Why is it safer to send your child to a nudist camp than to the Catholic church?

The argument is filled with fallacies, but funny.

7 posted on 04/09/2010 6:28:33 AM PDT by Loud Mime (initialpoints.net - - The Constitution as the center of politics -- Download the graph)
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To: NYer

The priesthood is a good place for perverts to hide.


8 posted on 04/09/2010 6:29:57 AM PDT by Judges Gone Wild (Who is this uncircumcised, to oppose the armies of The Living God?)
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To: delapaz

What happens afterward ensures greater frequency.


9 posted on 04/09/2010 6:31:23 AM PDT by Judges Gone Wild (Who is this uncircumcised, to oppose the armies of The Living God?)
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To: Judges Gone Wild
Is this the edifying comment of a Christian? If you were a Christian, you would be praying that all Christians be strengthened against sin and the attacks of Satan.

We don't need a circular firing squad among Christian denominations.

10 posted on 04/09/2010 6:34:27 AM PDT by CWW (Palin & Jindal in 2012!!)
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To: NYer

I don’t for a minute believe that one in 10 men sexually abuse children, but a guy from an organization dedicated to sexually abused children might want to believe that.

As to the ministry and different denominations, I think the only possibly differentiating line would be the prevalence of homosexuality in the differing denominations if, as some studies seem to show, there is proportionately more abuse with gay rather than heterosexual men.


11 posted on 04/09/2010 6:36:21 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Judges Gone Wild

I would say in some diocese that USED to be true. But those who did not belong in the preisthood to begin with have been weeded out and that is definitel no longer the case.


12 posted on 04/09/2010 6:36:26 AM PDT by CTK YKC
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To: NYer

Priests are not men, they claim to be representatives of God.

The fact that so many of them commit such heinous acts is proof they do not represent God.

The fact that the vatican does not excommunicate and turn them over to the cops is proof the the church does not represent God.

By their works shall ye know them.


13 posted on 04/09/2010 6:41:11 AM PDT by SENTINEL (SGT USMC COMBAT VET)
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To: NYer

How can people continue to insist that a system which accepts only men uninterested in women and and then grants them spiritual and temporal authority over young males is not an ironclad guarantee of terrible abuses?


14 posted on 04/09/2010 6:50:28 AM PDT by UK_Jeffersonian
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To: DManA

Molesters cannot be said to be terribly dedicated to God. Using a front of dedication to God, however, is an excellent disguise for a freak.


15 posted on 04/09/2010 6:52:32 AM PDT by TalBlack
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To: UK_Jeffersonian

“How can people continue to insist that a system which accepts only men uninterested in women and and then grants them spiritual and temporal authority over young males is not an ironclad guarantee of terrible abuses?”

You’ll find this wherever you find PEOPLE period. Schoolteachers can marry...


16 posted on 04/09/2010 6:55:55 AM PDT by TalBlack
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To: UK_Jeffersonian
How can people continue to insist that a system which accepts only men uninterested in women and and then grants them spiritual and temporal authority over young males is not an ironclad guarantee of terrible abuses?

Whoever said these men were not interested in women? The Catholic Church does have some married priests but these are in the Eastern Catholic Churches and amongst converts from protestant denominations. Even in the Eastern churches, though, there have always been some restrictions on marriage and ordination. Although married men may become priests, unmarried priests may not marry, and married priests, if widowed, may not remarry. Moreover, there is an ancient Eastern discipline of choosing bishops from the ranks of the celibate monks, so their bishops are all unmarried. Priestly celibacy is not an unchangeable dogma but a disciplinary rule.

St. Paul makes a case for preferring celibacy to marriage: "Are you free from a wife? Do not seek marriage. . . those who marry will have worldly troubles, and I would spare you that. . . . The unmarried man is anxious about the affairs of the Lord, how to please the Lord; but the married man is anxious about worldly affairs, how to please his wife, and his interests are divided. And the unmarried woman or girl is anxious about the affairs of the Lord, how to be holy in body and spirit; but the married woman is anxious about worldly affairs, how to please her husband" (7:27-34).

Paul’s conclusion: He who marries "does well; and he who refrains from marriage will do better" (7:38).

If this is your argument, then please explain

Sexual Abuse of Children by Protestant Ministers

A local rabbi, married with children, was recently arrested for sexual abuse of children. As you can see, there is no difference between those who choose marriage and those who prefer the celibate life.

17 posted on 04/09/2010 6:59:50 AM PDT by NYer ("Where Peter is, there is the Church." - St. Ambrose of Milan)
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To: NYer

Priests are in a position of trust which amplifies their crimes many fold.


18 posted on 04/09/2010 7:00:14 AM PDT by TangoLimaSierra (To the left the truth looks Right-Wing.)
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To: Wolfie
How many men have bosses who help cover it up?

Sexual Abuse of Children by Protestant Ministers

19 posted on 04/09/2010 7:00:38 AM PDT by NYer ("Where Peter is, there is the Church." - St. Ambrose of Milan)
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To: CWW

No kidding. Satan must be sitting back with a big smile while Christians tear each other apart instead of praying for one another.


20 posted on 04/09/2010 7:01:06 AM PDT by greatplains
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To: Judges Gone Wild

I pray and I expect it will be harder to hide from now on.


21 posted on 04/09/2010 7:01:22 AM PDT by DManA
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To: Judges Gone Wild
The priesthood is a good place for perverts to hide.

Sexual Abuse of Children by Protestant Ministers

22 posted on 04/09/2010 7:02:35 AM PDT by NYer ("Where Peter is, there is the Church." - St. Ambrose of Milan)
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To: NYer

See post #10.


23 posted on 04/09/2010 7:02:58 AM PDT by DManA
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To: Judges Gone Wild
The priesthood is a good place for perverts to hide

My pet theory has always been that Catholic mothers, who can surely sense when they have a son who does not seem interested in girls, push these boys into the priesthood with the hope that it will protect them from falling into the gay lifestyle. Of course, not being interested in girls does not automatically make you a pedophile, but once you are a Priest, your are not exactly in a position to meet people and have sex in any manner that resembles a normal way, even for homosexuals. It is the only outlet left to them. Just a theory, and I don't mean to offend or judge, but it does explain why little boys make up the overwhelming majority of victims in these cases.

24 posted on 04/09/2010 7:07:11 AM PDT by BRK
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To: CWW

I am a Christian and I was molested by a priest.


25 posted on 04/09/2010 7:09:02 AM PDT by Judges Gone Wild (Who is this uncircumcised, to oppose the armies of The Living God?)
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To: NYer
Here's the whole thing in a nutshell.

Are there wicked priests who sexually abuse? Yes.

Are priests any more likely to sexually abuse than the general public. NO.

So to all those who continue to push this scandal for their own personal or institutional gain, I say may Almighty God give you the fair recompense for your efforts. May He have mercy on your souls.
26 posted on 04/09/2010 7:28:05 AM PDT by Antoninus (It's a degenerate society where dogs have more legal rights than unborn babies.)
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To: delapaz
Exactly. The problem is not the frequency of occurrence, it’s what happens after it’s discovered.

And of course, if you troubled yourself to do the research, you'd find that hush-hush and cover-ups happen ALL THE TIME in the secular world as well when it comes to this stuff.

Read it and weep:

US Government Abuse Reports Ignore Priests, Fault Schools

I'm frankly amazed at how many of you supposedly intelligent FR denizens have not only drunk the media Koolaid on this issue, but are on a 24-hour intravenous drip.
27 posted on 04/09/2010 7:31:57 AM PDT by Antoninus (It's a degenerate society where dogs have more legal rights than unborn babies.)
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To: CWW

We don’t need a circular firing squad among Christian denominations, but we also don’t need the Catholics’ official, covered-up, hair-splitting, nuanced, secretive, illegal, conspiratorial response to creditable accusation of past child molestations, either. We don’t need to shuffle and hide the guilty priests in some kind of round-robin rotation.


28 posted on 04/09/2010 7:40:53 AM PDT by flowerplough ( Pennsylvania today - New New Jersey meets North West Virginia.)
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To: Antoninus

Well if we’re going to make comparisons, I’ll say that it hush hush coverups never happen in my church.

1- there is no extra church leadership to do the cover-up so

2- abusers are no longer ministers once discovered. period. They do not get reassigned, they get fired. Every time.

Best case scenario is that it’s a firing on the down low with no explanation, but it’s still a firing.


29 posted on 04/09/2010 7:42:25 AM PDT by delapaz
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To: NYer

Of course, your site does nothing for people like me that abhor sexual abuse from any clergy irrespective of denomination.

If it makes Catholics feel better that their clergy molests at no greater rate than any other denomination, and indeed the general population at large, then great.

If Catholics are no worse than other denominations, then you can not claim to be any better with a straight face, can you?

It sort of makes a further farce of Christianity beyond the tragedy of the molestation itself.

“Go to church XYZ - NOW with 30% fewer reported molestations than those other guys” hardly seems like an effective line for spreading the Gospel.


30 posted on 04/09/2010 7:43:18 AM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: FrPR

“When some guy says he was abused 30 years ago by a priest...

The media scream bloody murder and ONCE AGAIN attack the Church.”

Is it your position that the accuser is not telling the truth?


32 posted on 04/09/2010 7:50:51 AM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: CWW

As I pointed out on another thread, it seems to me that the “religion” that in its own Koran as well in its practices promotes and indulges in official child molestation should be the main target of these accusations.

I wonder if there will be story after story about Muslim atrocities against little boys and little “married” girls right around “Ramadan.”


33 posted on 04/09/2010 8:04:13 AM PDT by Persevero (Ask yourself: "What does the Left want me to do?" Then go do the opposite.)
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To: Loud Mime

My understanding is that single men are not usually allowed in nudists resorts. Something to consider.


35 posted on 04/09/2010 8:59:40 AM PDT by VidMihi ("In fide, unitas; in dubiis, libertas; in omnibus, caritas.")
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To: delapaz

Let’s all learn a new word - ephebophilia — sex with post-pubescent young people, almost always males — priests are rarely guilty of pedophilia except in the subset - ephebophilia -
Which may point to a dominant “gay subculture“ in the celibate Catholic Priesthood, which just might be a good argument for the return to active ministry of heterosexual married priests.


36 posted on 04/09/2010 9:19:03 AM PDT by VidMihi ("In fide, unitas; in dubiis, libertas; in omnibus, caritas.")
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To: FrPR
You got it! And, in most instances, the accused priest is already dead. Global Media’s Assault On Pope Is Unprecedented (One Question The Media Are Not Asking)
37 posted on 04/09/2010 9:31:49 AM PDT by NYer ("Where Peter is, there is the Church." - St. Ambrose of Milan)
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To: VidMihi

LOL -— I have no plans!


38 posted on 04/09/2010 9:58:49 AM PDT by Loud Mime (initialpoints.net - - The Constitution as the center of politics -- Download the graph)
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To: Judges Gone Wild

Public schools are much better.


39 posted on 04/09/2010 1:03:15 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (Liberals are educated above their level of intelligence.. Thanks Sr. Angelica)
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To: Wolfie
How many men have bosses who help cover it up?

Say, who did that?

40 posted on 04/09/2010 6:40:17 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (the media is your daddy.)
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To: NYer; All
Of note is the fact that (as I have it on good information) the number of sex abuse complaints in the New York City Public School System in one given year exceeded that entirety of sex abuse complaints against the Church for its entire history.

But who's counting?

41 posted on 04/09/2010 6:42:02 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (the media is your daddy.)
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