Did Hawaii have any records on Obama before 2006?

post & email ^ | April 8, 2010 | Sharon Rondeau

[Red Steel]

THE POST & EMAIL THINKS NOT

The Hawaii Department of Health continues to ignore and stonewall legitimate requests for information which under its UIPA law should be made available to a requester within ten days.

Mr. John Charlton, our Editor-in-Chief, has made three requests for such information from the Health Department beginning in early March which the Health Department either says it does not understand or to which it has failed to respond at all.

On February 26, 2010, Mr. Charlton published an article demonstrating the Health Department’s increasing reluctance to comply with UIPA requests. He had asked for copies of handwritten pages from the “Birth Index” maintained before Hawaii’s birth records were computerized and had offered to pay for the cost of obtaining them. Specifically, he was looking for anyone with the surnames Payne, Dunham, Soetoro and Obama.

Instead, the Health Department sent a PDF file of births with the parents’ names redacted. None of the names for which Mr. Charlton had asked appeared on the list, although Mr. Charlton had obtained information independently that at least one person with one of the last names had been born during the period in question.

Since that time, Mr. Charlton has made three more requests to the Hawaii Department of Health, none of which has been addressed. The PDF which Janice Okubo, the Health Department’s Public Information Officer, released to Mr. Charlton did not contain the information he had requested.

On March 4, 2010, Mr. Charlton sent the Hawaii Health Department the following email:

[Red Steel]

It could be BS, but the lead should be checked out.

The name you are searching for is Neil Abercormbie. The only person to publicly say he saw Obama Sr. and Ann Dunham together. He was also behind the stating that Obama was born at Kapiolani hospital, and inserted that "Obama was born in Hawaii" in his 50th Hawaiian state anniversary House Resolution. Why do a cheesy clause insertion if Obama was born in Hawaii? You would not do that unless Obama was born somewhere else.

Abercrombie is a candidate for governor in Hawaii this year.

[edge919]

That’s pretty specific. What evidence do you have to support this?

[little jeremiah]

Edge - check out David’s posting history. You’ll find out the answer to your question, pretty much.

[thouworm]

Reader comment:

elspeth says:
Friday, April 9, 2010 at 1:56 PM

I just checked AT for the riccy44 comment at 12:32 a.m. It’s not there. I’ve been following that thread since the article was posted and suspected many comments were scrubbed. This is proof as far as I’m concerned. Guard it well.

http://www.thepostemail.com/2010/04/08/did-hawaii-have-any-records-on-obama-before-2006/

[Bubba Ho-Tep]

If/when it is found and proven that obama is not an American citizen and is therefor ineligible to be President, Healthcare becomes null and void...

Wrong. De facto officer doctrine. Look it up.

[DontTreadOnMe2009]

I believe there is something 0dumbo doesn’t want seen
but what Bc did he use to get his drivers license SS card etc

I think he had been using the one he made up ( or his grandparents ) made up , perhaps even after he came back from Indonesia.

he would have needed some form of a BC prior to his run so I don’t think Hi made up one in 2006. I think one was fabricated long ago.

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Could it be that he got a US passport in the 70s or 80s and uses that instead? After his adoption and re-adoption, and re-return .....

I think if you can get your hands on a US passport you can get all of the above.....

[Maverick68]

Ding ding!
We have a winner!

[jcsjcm]

This is where I found the comment - I thought you meant that what I copied had been deleted? I guess you meant on the other site that this was lifted from?

http://www.thepostemail.com/2010/04/08/did-hawaii-have-any-records-on-obama-before-2006/

AuntieMadder says:
Friday, April 9, 2010 at 4:58 AM

This is at American Thinker’s April 7 article titled President Obama Needs to Prove His Constitutional Eligibility to Be Commander-in-Chief on page 6 of the comments section.

And then she posted what was stated in #36!

[DontTreadOnMe2009]

Wow

just wow

Can anyone take this further?

In Hawaii or somehow using some other method?

Isn’t this rather explosive ???

Posted by: riccy44 Apr 09, 12:32 AM

Hello LTC sir, I hope you read this,
I support you for your stand on Obamas birth.
I will tell you and the posters here what I know.
I knew Obamas grandfather and his mother and father in Hawaii.
The story is much longer then will post here, I know about births in Hawaii during this time.
At this time the only way births were posted in the news was by family posting it.
The mother father, nurse ,doctor and 2 other witnesses signed the birth papers within the first 30 minutes of the birth.
I met Obamas mother and father in 1961 right after they came back from Africa with their baby
who was born in Africa.
I remember they had some complaint about not being allowed on an airplane back to USA from Africa account
her pregnant condition. I heard this both from Obamas grandfather and his mother and father.
I also remember they had some trouble with the baby having no papers , passport to come back to the USA from
Africa.
Obamas mother father and grandfather had much anger against the USA government and were very socialist,
markzist in their beliefs.
I also know in Hawaii during this time in 1961 almost all government things could be changed, just by who you knew
and who they knew. Every thing worked on the comshaw , TRADE, or money.
Maybe the birth papers were also fixed in this way. Obamas grandfather was a player also was known to be gay.
http://comments.americanthinker.com/read/42323/574256/page-6.html

I Binged riccy44 and discovered this at Breitbart.com.

riccy44 February 28th, 2010 – 3:53 pm

Dr. Drew, I also tried to tell about Obamas grandfather, his mother and father in Hawaii, and got no where 4 years ago.
Fox, and many talk show hosts.

Obamas family were all marxists. had words with grandfather his mother and father.
They got very angery when you did not see things their way.

I was at rallies they had, some at U of Hawaii 1961- 1962 – 1963.

The first was shortly after they had come back from Africa with new baby. I know the truth, No one will listen, I am not a kook , for those who want the truth here it is.

I could care less where he was born. some do, his mother was a U S citizen.
In Hawaii during this time the family put in the newspaper of any births. The hospitals did not. This can explain how got into newspapers at this time.

I knew of some who came from mainland and other countries who got record of live birth in Hawaii when had none when they came to the islands. Parents went to human services swore child was theirs and documents were given ,
a certificate of live birth from State of Hawaii. This was most for welfare and public money for support or military dependants.

To get birth certificates need the doctor and hospital and seems was 3 others to be witness account Hawaiian race issues. Father and mother both had to sign this document shortly, within the first hour after the birth.

Good luck JOHN DREW on the fight for truth. Watch your back as these
people are ruthless.

John C. Drew, Ph.D. March 2nd, 2010 – 10:35 pm
- riccy44

[DontTreadOnMe2009]

Is it possible that the Director of Health, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, granted Obama a “Certification of Live Birth” sometime in 2006 or later when he was planning to run for president? Fukino is the only person in the United States to affirm that Obama was born in Hawaii.

**************No hospital, doctor, nurse, witness or other individual has come forward to corroborate her story.

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Could Obama have submitted 2 “witnesses” statements in 2006 and got a COLB for the first time???

[DontTreadOnMe2009]

Is it possible that the Director of Health, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, granted Obama a “Certification of Live Birth” sometime in 2006 or later when he was planning to run for president? Fukino is the only person in the United States to affirm that Obama was born in Hawaii.

**************No hospital, doctor, nurse, witness or other individual has come forward to corroborate her story.

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Is this possible ???

Could Obama have submitted 2 “witnesses” statements in 2006 and got a COLB for the first time???

[thouworm]

now you have me confused; lol. In FR post #64 a commenter on Post & Email is saying that the original comment in the American Thinker article has already been deleted.

I also checked and could not find it.

[RWGinger]

yes he could have a passport from the 70’s or 80’s but what Bc did he use to get that passport.

There is speculation that he attended occidental college as a foreign student
and it is likely ( altho not proven of course ) that he visited Pockistan on an Indonesian passport in 81

isn’t it stunning to think we have a doofus as POTUS who is largely unknown
and the obamatrons don’t care

[edge919]

Part of this story we can already discount.

It says: “The mother father, nurse ,doctor and 2 other witnesses signed the birth papers within the first 30 minutes of the birth.”

The Nordyke twins’ certificates were signed three days later by the mother and I think six days later by the doctor.

[RWGinger]

I got confused with this,
“I’ve been thinking that Obama may have been born in transit. It makes sense because under standard procedures, the final destination, so to speak, can be legally claimed as the place of birth. A ship pass, plane ticket or a captain’s affadavit might have been all that was needed to ‘verify’ the birth. The port of departure then becomes the city of birth (and no hospital, doctor or midwife).”

So which are you saying is the place of birth? the Destination or the Departure?

Stanley Ann has been proven to have been in Seattle less than 2 weeks after the little bastard was born, she enrolled at UW

her entire life was flaky. that is why he is such a POS and Liar

[bgill]

All the newspaper birth announcements prove is that he was born.

If placed by the health dept. it only proves the health dept. has a record of an un-named son born to Mr. and Mrs. Barack H. Obama on Aug. 4, 1961.

[bgill]

Netanyahu and the Mossad would get more support and supplies with a different administration.

[DontTreadOnMe2009]

Here’s what I found:

riccy44 February 28th, 2010 - 3:53 pm
Dr. Drew, I also tried to tell about OBamas grandfather his mother and father in Hawaii and got no where 4 years ago. Fox, and many talk show hosts.
Obamas family were all marxist. had words with grandfather his mother and father. They got very angery when you did not see things their way.
I was at rallies they had, some at U of Hawaii 1961- 1962 – 1963. The first was shortly after they had come back from Africa with new baby. I know the truth, No one will listen, I am not a kook , for those who want the truth here it is.
I could care less where he was born. some do, his mother was a U S citizen.
In Hawaii during this time the family put in the paper of any births. The hospitals did not. This can explain how got into news papers at this time.
I knew of some who came from mainland and other countries who got record of live birth in Hawaii when had none when they came to the islands. Parents went to human services swore child was theirs and documents were given ,
a certificate of live birth from State of Hawaii. This was most for welfare and public money for support or military dependants.
To get birth certificates need the doctor and hospital and seems was 3 others to be witness account Hawaiian race issues. Father and mother both had to sign this document shortly, within the first hour after the birth.
Good luck JOHN DREW on the fight for truth. Watch your back as these
people are ruthless.

John C. Drew, Ph.D. March 2nd, 2010 - 10:35 pm
- riccy44

I’m eager to speak with you on the phone. I think you might be the missing link who can help explain the intensity of young Barack Obama’s commitment to Marxism.

You can track me down through my Speaker Match website at

http://www.speakermatch.com/profile/drdrew

Maybe if we work together we can get this story on Hannity or Glenn Beck.

Regards, John

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:sgsB1J_HLb8J:www.breitbart.tv/the-b-cast-interview-was-obama-a-committed-marxist-in-college/+riccy44&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk&client=safari

at bottom for Feb 28th, 2010

[edge919]

So which are you saying is the place of birth? the Destination or the Departure?

Good catch. I meant to say the point of arrival. I'm trying to do a little too much multitasking and mixed up the appropriate term. I think butterdezillion or someone had posted some vital records procedures and it mentioned how you handle en route births. Where the baby arrives is where the place of birth is listed. But, keep in mind, the baby might have actually been born anywhere along the way, so all they have is the mother's word ... maybe a ship's captain (if he or she actually witnessed the birth).

Stanley Ann has been proven to have been in Seattle less than 2 weeks after the little bastard was born, she enrolled at UW.

Right. She might have been there well before the little bastard was born. Or it might not even be her baby. Everything about these people is the perfect storm of ambiguities. Her inability to deal with a poopy diaper for a baby she should have been with for at least a couple of weeks is very odd.

[Fred Nerks]

American Thinker - Comments
8 Apr 2010 ... Posted by: riccy44. Apr 09, 12:32 AM. Hello LTC sir, I hope you read this, I support you for your stand on Obamas birth. ...
comments.americanthinker.com/read/42323/574256/page-6.html

checked all six pages of comments, couldn’t find it.