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Army Calls ‘Birther’ Doc’s Bluff
Military.com ^ | April 9, 2010 | Bryant Jordan

Posted on 04/09/2010 4:27:11 PM PDT by EveningStar

It's guts ball time for an Army surgeon who has vowed not to deploy to Afghanistan with his unit unless President Obama provides evidence that he's a "natural born" citizen of the United States.

In response to previously published statements by Lt. Col. Terrence Lakin, the Army presented an official letter of counseling that directs him to report to Fort Campbell, Ky., on April 12 to begin deployment preparations with his unit.

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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: army; birthcertificate; birtherobama; birthers; certifigate; crackpot; lakin; military; moonbats; naturalborncitizen; obama; obamaisabirther; terrencelakin; terrylakin
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1 posted on 04/09/2010 4:27:11 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: EveningStar

give this guy an honorable discharge. I f he really doesn’t want to go over there...don’t send him. this doesn’t happen that often...can you say FT Hood?

its just not worth it...the guy may be legit, but this is no place to take chances.


2 posted on 04/09/2010 4:29:44 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Ok, joke's over....Bring back Bush !)
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To: EveningStar

You insist on calling “birthers” “cuckoos?”


3 posted on 04/09/2010 4:30:41 PM PDT by ConservativeMind (Hypocrisy: "Animal rightists" who eat meat & pen up pets while accusing hog farmers of cruelty.)
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To: EveningStar

He should not throw away his career for this. The decision whether or not to follow deployment orders is not the proper forum to address the birth certificate issue.


4 posted on 04/09/2010 4:30:51 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: EveningStar

probably more to the story


5 posted on 04/09/2010 4:32:35 PM PDT by pointsal
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To: ConservativeMind

Philip Berg, Alan Keyes, Orly Taitz - is there a sane person among them?


6 posted on 04/09/2010 4:33:00 PM PDT by EveningStar (Karl Marx is not one of our Founding Fathers.)
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To: EveningStar

As retired from an Army career, I would not fall on my sword as this LTC is literally doing by going for courtsmartial over the issue. I think the entire birth certificate non-release issue is a deception plan/red herring to cover up something else in BHO’s past.


7 posted on 04/09/2010 4:33:56 PM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

I’m on the doc’s side, but the army really doesn’t have much maneuvering room here.

Now, if we can get massive support for him out here on the net, might make a diff.

However, prepare for the normal MSM smear job.


8 posted on 04/09/2010 4:34:32 PM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: EveningStar

I am curious why military.com’s editors thing the Lt. Colonel is bluffing.

He may be wrong, foolish, or heroically patriotic, but I see no evidence he’s bluffing.


9 posted on 04/09/2010 4:38:22 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: EveningStar
You have to wonder who is enforcing the orders to compel him to report for duty?

What is their recourse if he continues to refuse? A Court Martial, which will open up discovery? Hmmmmm?

10 posted on 04/09/2010 4:38:36 PM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: EveningStar

Not a winning strategy. His deployment orders don’t come from the President, they come from his commanding officer. Only the officer who got the orders from the President would be able to challenge those orders.

The orders aren’t unlawful, congress authorized deployments, so he couldn’t argue that either.

Secret Service could refuse to take a bullet for the President unless he proved eligibility.


11 posted on 04/09/2010 4:38:49 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: ConservativeMind

Sí.


12 posted on 04/09/2010 4:40:11 PM PDT by EveningStar (Karl Marx is not one of our Founding Fathers.)
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To: LucyT

Ping


13 posted on 04/09/2010 4:41:04 PM PDT by Smokeyblue
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To: Red_Devil 232
You have to wonder who is enforcing the orders to compel him to report for duty?

His superiors?

14 posted on 04/09/2010 4:41:08 PM PDT by EveningStar (Karl Marx is not one of our Founding Fathers.)
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To: EveningStar

I see. So the failure of the Pres__ent to merely produce a certified copy of his birth certificate, thus fulfulling a Constitutional requirement, makes the rest of us crazy?

Sure makes sense to me.


15 posted on 04/09/2010 4:41:43 PM PDT by A_Former_Democrat
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To: EveningStar

Thank goodness my two deployments to OIF were under Bush 43 so there was no question as to his being a legitimate CIC.


16 posted on 04/09/2010 4:41:45 PM PDT by jesseam (Been there, done that)
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To: A_Former_Democrat

If you want to follow Berg, Keyes, and Taitz off the cliff, be my guest.


17 posted on 04/09/2010 4:44:04 PM PDT by EveningStar (Karl Marx is not one of our Founding Fathers.)
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To: EveningStar

They are all sane. These are, however, insane times.


18 posted on 04/09/2010 4:44:36 PM PDT by bvw
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To: A_Former_Democrat

Thank you.


19 posted on 04/09/2010 4:45:02 PM PDT by thoolou ("I may have invented it, but Bill made it famous." - David Bradley, inventor of Ctrl-Alt-Del)
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To: GreyFriar

A doctor told me that what he may be hiding is his legal race. Apparently at the time of his birth, a child of mixed race was designated to be the race of the mother, which would list him as white.


20 posted on 04/09/2010 4:45:22 PM PDT by discomatic
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To: colorado tanker

“He should not throw away his career for this.” What are you willing to shed in the name of principle?

Perhaps this is his way of “...foreign or domestic.” ?

FReegards :)

BPE


21 posted on 04/09/2010 4:45:33 PM PDT by Be_Politically_Erect (Sailing Against My Will On A Ship Of Fools)
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To: colorado tanker

“The decision whether or not to follow deployment orders is not the proper forum to address the birth certificate issue.”

But unlike every other case decided to date, it would seem that this officer actually has an indisputable standing to sue. The harm to him of Obama’s ineligibility is not hypothetical, but neither does it apply to 300 million Americans. I myself may not be brave enough to risk a career in this fashion, but I think a man who does should be commended rather than criticized. That said, I’m no legal beagle, so I don’t know how strong a case he really has.


22 posted on 04/09/2010 4:45:46 PM PDT by DrC
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To: EveningStar; onyx; penelopesire; seekthetruth; television is just wrong; jcsjcm; BP2; Pablo Mac; ...

Plenty.

Those who believe in the integrity and
preservation of our Constitution and
Article 1, Sect. 2.


23 posted on 04/09/2010 4:46:41 PM PDT by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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To: The_Reader_David
“Calling a bluff” is standard slang for describing a situation when the other side doesn't back down. I think all they are saying is that the ball is now back in Lakin’s court for his final decision.
24 posted on 04/09/2010 4:48:20 PM PDT by tired_old_conservative
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To: discomatic

“A doctor told me that what he may be hiding is his legal race.”

That’s worth $1-2 million? Wow! He’s already owned up to his mulatto status, not to mention many unflattering details about his father. He had no control over how his mother listed him and today clearly self-identifies as Black. A case could be made, I suppose, that he feared that he’d lose some of the 92% Black vote he got had he let this news out before the election. But once it was over, what harm would there have been in coming clean? This doesn’t seem like a likely explanation.


25 posted on 04/09/2010 4:50:22 PM PDT by DrC
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To: A_Former_Democrat; Smokeyblue; Fred Nerks; null and void; stockpirate; george76; PhilDragoo; ...
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I see. So the failure of the Pres__ent to merely produce a certified copy of his birth certificate, thus fulfulling a Constitutional requirement, makes the rest of us crazy?

Sure makes sense to me.

/s

[Thanks, Smokeyblue.]

26 posted on 04/09/2010 4:50:24 PM PDT by LucyT
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To: EveningStar
"Philip Berg, Alan Keyes, Orly Taitz - is there a sane person among them?"

Philip Berg-Democrat and Clinton supporter. Alan Keyes-3rd party candidate and reason BHO became a senator. Orly Taitz-night school lawyer and possible agent provocateur. You were saying?

27 posted on 04/09/2010 4:50:51 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/backroom/2312894/posts?page=242)
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To: EveningStar

Explain why he won’t reveal it then.

And why he shouldn’t reveal it.


28 posted on 04/09/2010 4:51:03 PM PDT by A_Former_Democrat
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To: STARWISE

Sorry. Those people you guys are following are moonbats.


29 posted on 04/09/2010 4:51:45 PM PDT by EveningStar (Karl Marx is not one of our Founding Fathers.)
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To: DrC
"That said, I’m no legal beagle, so I don’t know how strong a case he really has."

The last three paragraphs of the referenced article are very informative.

30 posted on 04/09/2010 4:52:20 PM PDT by verity (Obama Lies)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I heard that Berg is also a 911 Truther.


31 posted on 04/09/2010 4:52:57 PM PDT by EveningStar (Karl Marx is not one of our Founding Fathers.)
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To: pissant; ExTexasRedhead; Sparko; trlambsr; True Republican Patriot; 3IDVET; STARWISE; Lumper20; ...

Certifigate ping!!


32 posted on 04/09/2010 4:53:07 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/backroom/2312894/posts?page=242)
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To: tired_old_conservative

He holds on, they will change the orders. Been done last year.


33 posted on 04/09/2010 4:53:47 PM PDT by luv2ndamend (They call themselves greens because they're too yellow to admit they're reds.)
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To: The_Reader_David

Consider the source

____________________________________________________________

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Military.com was founded in 1999 to revolutionize the way the 30 million Americans with military affinity stay connected and informed. Today, Military.com is the largest military and veteran membership organization — more than 10 million members strong.

Since 1999, the company has grown significantly, and the management team represents both leaders in the military community and seasoned Silicon Valley professionals.
Management Team

“T” McCreary, President of Military Advantage and Vice President of Monster Worldwide
Mark Maxwell, Vice President of Products
Tony Baker, Senior Director of Marketing
Dan Sevall, Director of Finance
Ward Carroll, Editor
Josh Brody, Director, Sales
Wynne Brown, Director, Military Recruiting Sales
David Grayson, Director of Product Management
Jeff Kimble, Director of Network Operations and IT
Vince Patton, Director of Community Outreach
Fred Siegel, Site Manager for Fred’s Place
Founders Emeritus

Christopher Michel, Founder
Anne Dwane, Co-Founder

http://www.military.com/aboutus/aboutusarticle/0,15897,team,00.html

~ ~ ~

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Christopher Michel
Founder

Chris was the founder and President of Affinity Labs, a sister Monster company focused on building a global network of world-class, online communities.

Prior to founding Affinity Labs, he founded Military.com, the nation’s largest military membership organization.

Military.com connects its over 10 million members to the lifelong benefits of military service and provides public and private sector clients efficient access to the military market. Members trust Military.com for career, education and financial services. Founded in 1999, Military.com raised over $30 million from leading investors and strategic partners, including A&E Television Networks.

In 2004, Military.com was also acquired by Monster.

Chris also served as a Naval Flight Officer in the United States Navy. While on active duty, Chris flew as a P-3 Navigator, Tactical Coordinator and Mission Commander in support of maritime interdiction operations in the Red Sea, NATO enforcement operations in the Adriatic, and counter-narcotics missions in Central America. Following his operational tour, Chris worked in the Pentagon as Aide to the Chief of the Naval Reserve.

An advocate for those who serve, Chris is a frequent speaker and has appeared in the Wall Street Journal, New York Times, Business Week, Financial Times, and others. He is also a regular guest on CNN and other national radio and TV programs. In addition, he is the author of The Military Advantage (Simon & Schuster 2006).

Chris serves as a Director of Dale Carnegie and Alliance Health Corporations and is a Governor on the USO World Board. He’s also an active investor and advisor in a variety of digital media companies.

Chris earned his commission from the NROTC program at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, where he graduated with high distinction and was named a Distinguished Naval Graduate. He also holds an MBA from the Harvard Business School and is a Henry Crown Fellow at the Aspen Institute and a life member of the Council on Foreign Relations.

**
Anne Dwane
Co-Founder

Anne Dwane was the co-founder of Military.com. As the General Manager, Anne led a team focused on developing outstanding member experiences and delivering value to clients — the quality companies, government agencies and employers that tap Military.com to reach the military community. Anne and the team actively sought out the information, products and services that met the needs and interests of members. She was an advocate for hiring Veterans, offering military discounts and accessing military benefits.

Prior to founding Military.com, Anne was in business development at Paul Allen’s Interval Research Corporation in Silicon Valley and conducted due diligence for Vulcan Ventures. Formerly, Anne managed consumer research at Nabisco before transitioning to brand management for Nabisco’s Planters Peanuts line.

A pioneer in interactive marketing, Anne has been involved in this field since the days of 14.4 modems and the launch of Nabisco Direct, the online and direct response division of Nabisco.

Anne holds a bachelors degree in Marketing and International Management from Georgetown University and an MBA from the Harvard Business School.

http://www.military.com/aboutus/aboutusarticle/0,15897,founders,00.html


34 posted on 04/09/2010 4:54:03 PM PDT by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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To: STARWISE; EveningStar

Pretty pathetic when a so called conservative makes fun of a decorated miltary man who is risking his entire career to stand up for our constitution. What are you doing to preserve and protect our constitution from runaway marxists and liars, ES?


35 posted on 04/09/2010 4:54:14 PM PDT by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: EveningStar

And you would know whom I’m following ... HOW ???


36 posted on 04/09/2010 4:55:27 PM PDT by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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To: penelopesire; STARWISE

He’s making a big mistake.


37 posted on 04/09/2010 4:55:34 PM PDT by EveningStar (Karl Marx is not one of our Founding Fathers.)
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To: GreyFriar

Catch 22 then.

Okay, let’s see what’s in his past.


38 posted on 04/09/2010 4:56:33 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: EveningStar
"I heard that Berg is also a 911 Truther."

IIRC, yes he is. Thank you for reinforcing my point. Have you seen the polls that neary 1/3 to 1/2 of the people in this country have doubts about Mr. Obama's eligibility to hold the office he currently occupies? Are you saying that 100-150 million Americans are insane or retarded?

39 posted on 04/09/2010 4:56:43 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/backroom/2312894/posts?page=242)
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To: DrC
His orders would not have been signed by Obummer, but by officers whose authority is not in question. Plus, legally Obummer is the President unless and until he is impeached or a competent authority declares him ineligible. He was sworn in by the Chief Justice and took the Constitutional oath which means for the time being he is President.

The colonel will be throwing away what appears to be a distinguished career but will have no chance of winning or forcing the birth certificate issue.

40 posted on 04/09/2010 4:57:17 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: The_Reader_David
He may be wrong, foolish, or heroically patriotic, but I see no evidence he’s bluffing.

We'll find out on Monday.

41 posted on 04/09/2010 4:57:35 PM PDT by Drew68
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To: EveningStar

Orly hasn’t been right since she got laughed out of clown school.


42 posted on 04/09/2010 4:57:36 PM PDT by humblegunner (Pablo is very wily)
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To: Red_Devil 232
You have to wonder who is enforcing the orders to compel him to report for duty?

I would assume his commanding officer.

What is their recourse if he continues to refuse?

Court martial for violation of several of the punitive articles of the UCMJ. Followed by dismissal from the service if convicted, loss of pension, possibly time in Leavenworth.

...What is their recourse if he continues to refuse?

Discovery of what? He's going to be charged with disobeying orders of his commanding officer or some other officer in the chain-of-command, missing movement, and probably some other UCMJ violations as well. What's going to be uncovered in that?

43 posted on 04/09/2010 4:57:54 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Are you saying that 100-150 million Americans are insane or retarded?

No. Not at all. But they are listening to the wrong people. History is replete with decent folks listening to the wrong people.

44 posted on 04/09/2010 4:58:42 PM PDT by EveningStar (Karl Marx is not one of our Founding Fathers.)
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To: ConservativeMind

“You insist on calling “birthers” “cuckoos?””

He’s evidently a brainwashed Obama supporter with the customary bad manners. I thought the Daily Kos was the right place for those folks, but evidently some of them prefer to troll around here.

The Army hasn’t called Lt Col Lakin’s bluff until they convene a court martial and give him his due process right to subpoena evidence. Go ahead Kenyan imposter, make the Colonel’s day.


45 posted on 04/09/2010 4:59:17 PM PDT by devere
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To: GreyFriar

“...to cover up something else in BHO’s past.”

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Do you mean to say that there are things we don’t know about our prez? Wouldn’t we want to know that the POTUS is NOT an Al-Qaida agent? (Remember his many mysterious trips to Pakistan earlier in his life?) Not knowing the true identity of the POTUS is comparable to a ship without a rudder. What direction is he taking us?

Shouldn’t the colonel and all those being deployed have the right to know especially when their lives are put on the line?


46 posted on 04/09/2010 4:59:24 PM PDT by 353FMG (What else can Islam possibly contribute to America other than its destruction?)
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To: humblegunner

And Berg and Keyes are no better. Yet many good people insist on believing them.


47 posted on 04/09/2010 4:59:53 PM PDT by EveningStar (Karl Marx is not one of our Founding Fathers.)
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To: humblegunner
Orly hasn’t been right since she got laughed out of clown school.

She got laughed out of law school. She was probably valedictorian at clown school.

48 posted on 04/09/2010 4:59:59 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: EveningStar

From the article:

Phil Cave, a retired Navy judge advocate general who now practices military law as a civilian, said that even if Lakin does decide to deploy as scheduled, the Army still may be able to prosecute him. Under Article 88, Cave said, a servicemember can be charged for making disrespectful comments or remarks about the president.

Cave believes that Lakin’s supporters in the birther movement hope that a court-martial will give defense attorneys the authority to seek, through discovery, other documents to help make their case.

“They think that by using [servicemembers in a court-martial] they can get discovery like you could in any criminal prosecution,” he said. “That ain’t gonna happen. They’re not going to have discovery where they’re going to get the president to produce a birth certificate because, I’m reasonably certain, no military judge, no appellate court and no federal court, and no U.S. Supreme Court is going to say they have a right to get that as a matter of discovery.”


49 posted on 04/09/2010 5:00:06 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Integrity, Honesty, Character, & Loyalty still matter)
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To: EveningStar

So your belief that he is making a mistake is funny to you? You think it’s funny to call the man a ‘birther’ and a ‘cuckoo’?

I don’t think it’s funny at all. The man is a patriot willing to risk everything to stand up for our constitution. I wish there were more men and women like him in this country.


50 posted on 04/09/2010 5:01:10 PM PDT by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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