Posted on 04/10/2010 4:07:21 PM PDT by LouAvul
Edited on 04/10/2010 5:29:53 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
You don't leave Russia with the child if they aren't final. Tennessee paperwork is irrelevant to US citizenship.
But, if the local authorities don't want to do their job, ship the legal mother and the grandmother to Russia and see if the Russians can come up with something.
Where’s the husband?
Why didn’t the mother consult with Tennessee social workers to see if anything could be done to help HER, instead of just packing the kid off to Russia?
http://www.vanderbiltchildrens.org/interior.php?mid=259
This is a link that gives info on the International Adoption Clinic at Vanderbilt. I wonder if they tried to get help here? It’s within a few hours of Shelbyville.
When you adopt a foriegn national, the state you are a resident in issues a birth certificate listing the adoptive parents in the “birth parents” block. It also lists the city and country of birth of the child.
The certificate will state that it is NOT proof of U.S. citizenship.
I’m certain that her state has some sort of social service agency where she could have surrendered custody. I think the boy would have stood a better chance here, in the US, than he will in Russia.
Have you ever had dealings with state “social workers”? They are a bunch of leftist, nosey, busybody do gooders who do no one any good. Inviting them into your life is a very, very large mistake.
If the adoption was finalized in Russia and the child has been issued an IR-3 visa, citizenship automatically confers when the child legally enters the United States.
Well, that didn’t happen for the six kids we adopted. Must be a fairly new rule.
I think it went into effect in 2001?
Must have been a bit later. All of our adoptions were “finalized” in the birth country, and that allowed the local U.S. embassy to issue visas so the kids could come here. Then we had to go to our local court and finalize the U.S. side of it. After that we got birth certificates and social security cards. Then we got them U.S. passports.
They weren’t considered U.S. citizens until the adoption was finalized here.
So what happens if one of her “own” children is “too much for her”?
A child? More like future serial killer. They all were small once.
The following is my comment from last night’s thread on this subject. It might give a bit of a fresh perspective for some who don’t have experience dealing with the system.
I’ve been “in the business,” one way or another for over 30 years - houseparenting, foster parenting, and adopting. Social Services, adoption agencies, and foreign countries lie all the time to prospective adoptive parents because they know that if they tell the truth, the child involved will never be placed. When adoptive parents call in desperation, they are regularly blown off and told that it’s their child, their problem. Foster parents often face runarounds and scary delays in having a dangerous child removed from their homes. I once had to threaten to physically return a dangerous child myself and to turn in my resignation in order to get my agency to act. Whenever anyone asks my advice about fostering or adopting, I am totally honest about what I have seen. In my opinion, after my years of experience, I’d say it’s 85/15 - nature over nurture. Many children in the system carry almost unbelievable baggage, and there should be honesty when children are placed and a system in place for the return of children who are too damaged to live in a normal family. If there were true honesty in placement, adoption disruption would occur far less often. That said, putting a young child on a plane to Russia was not the solution. I can’t help but wonder what made her do that rather than to work with the agency which placed the child.
I suppose that I lack empathy but I just cannot understand why these people want to adopt so badly that they are willing to take other countries’ children. Especially with the costs so high; I read that it often is in the 10s of thousands.
But then again, I don’t understand adoption anyway. And no, I don’t have children myself.
Yup
The cost to do anything with him in this country would have been astronomical. Then there was always the risk that he could still get away and take revenge on the mother. Sending him back to “mother Russia” was the only solution.
My neighbors had a little girl and then adopted a boy about 8 from Russia. They were good religious people and tried to give him a loving great forever family. He was devious, only faked affection, then lied, stole, was always aggressive and destructive. Hit other kids, caused huge problems, started fires, and then attempted to murder his parents and sister. He ran away and committed some pretty awful crimes and now is locked up, maybe forever.
Reactive attachment disorder is when a baby has not been loved and cared for, and instead has been used, neglected, and abused. These children do not stand much of a chance of EVER feeling love or human empathy to anyone. And the ones who never recover are sociopaths.
No one should be allowed to adopt a child older than one year if they do not have a thorough, tested knowledge of what RAD means and how to treat it. There should be NO other children in their house, and probably two adults minimum. Attempting to raise very, very broken humans is NOT for the weak.
I see it as a sign of strength.
;-)
Birth certificate! Do I hear ‘birth certificate’?
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