where...
Where will we draw the line?
When will we say enough??
What will finally provoke spontaneous direction action???
Posted on 04/12/2010 8:45:17 PM PDT by XHogPilot
The EBSA Proposed Rules is undisguised looting of employer and employee alike.
In a proposal entitled EBSA Proposed Rules, the Labor and Treasury departments are requesting information from employers, employees, financial institutions and others regarding Retirement Accounts. They "are asking for public input about the use of annuities in defined-contribution plans, such as 401(k)s. . . . including the advantages and disadvantages of distributing benefits as a lifetime stream of income . . ."
The 401(k) plan was created and is regulated by the government. It consists of two types of plans: the Defined Benefit and the Defined Contribution. In a Defined Contribution plan you can contribute whatever you want as long as you do not exceed your salary. Opting to take a lump sum upon retirement assures that you will at least get most of your retirement money out from under government control and will be able to invest it outside of government retirement plans. If, however, you opt for the Defined Benefit plan you might become understandably concerned that your retirement funds might not be steady, or that you might not be paid at all---given the huge debt the government has incurred and the state of various government programs. Consequently, retiring individuals increasingly choose to receive a lump sum upon retirement rather than "a lifetime stream of income."
Department of Labor data shows that the "number of active participants in Defined Benefit plans fell from about 27 million in 1975 to approximately 20 million in 2006, whereas the number of active participants in Defined Contribution (Page 5254) plans increased from about 11 million in 1975 to 66 million in 2006."
One of the requirements of the plan mandates that employers think for their employees. At present, employers are required to help employees choose payout options that suit their individual circumstances, while assuring adequate levels of such income to the extent possible." This, the Proposal deems "insufficient;" so, it demands that employers also provide the retiring worker with "several types of information, such as on risks that could affect retirement income security, could help retiring participants make more informed decisions regarding how they balance income and expenditures during retirement."
Further, the employer is required "to provide participants with a notice on risks that individuals face in managing their income and expenditures at and during retirement." And more: Employers "are responsible for making contributions that are sufficient for funding the promised benefit, investing and managing plan assets (as fiduciaries), and bearing investment risks because the employer, as plan sponsor, is required to make enough contributions to the plan to fund benefit payments during retirement."
On several levels this is one of the most sweeping violations of individual rights. It is an open assault on Americans' life and income. It is not enough that employers are forced to pay into their employees' retirement accounts. Now every job creator, every employer large and small will be forced to spend hours and mental effort in unpaid service advising his employees how to use retirement funds.
From the perspective of the employee, the EBSA Proposal is equally unjust, violating their rights as well. It wants to force Defined Contribution employees to use "a lifetime stream of income"---i.e., government issued annuities---thereby forbidding lump sum payouts. In other words, the employee's money will no longer be his to use as and when he wants it. Government officials will decide when employees can have the money they've earned and how they can receive it. When government takes over retirement accounts, the money will not be invested in reputable securities earning a return and watched over by expert investment analysts. The money will be siphoned off for other schemes, as is the money one pays into Social Security and Medicare. Employees' savings will be wiped out.
The Proposal is undisguised looting of employer and employee alike.
The Proposal is not only immoral, it is also, as all immoral acts, wildly impractical. The EBSA Proposal is based on the assumption that savings are static and can be withdrawn from its function with impunity. But when withdrawn, savings become merely a sum that can be exchanged for something else. They are no longer savings.
A nation's savings are the fundamental means of fueling a growing economy as well as cushioning unexpected setbacks, such as natural disasters. In a mixed economy such as ours---i.e., some freedom and many regulations---the continual setbacks ignited by government interference cause a declining standard of living. Savings, therefore, become even more acutely important---especially to youngsters starting out, bright with ambition and teeming with ideas. When savings dry up, so does economic growth.
Savings are savings because the wealth it comprises is viable. Were it not for savings, financial institutions would not have a reservoir of money that could be used profitably to finance new ventures, make loans and extend credit to trustworthy, hard-working clients. The profit from such contractual agreements benefits the institution as well as its savers, i.e., its account holders, shareholders and investors, thereby increasing the wealth of all.
Were it not for savings, the simplest everyday purchase could not be made. That ready cash in your pocket? It is there because someone somewhere has savings. The employer who paid you your salary had to have savings on which to draw. The grocer has goods to offer you because someone somewhere has savings and extended him credit. The auto shop that maintains your vehicle relies on someone's savings to ensure its payroll, support its inventory, accept your credit card and anticipate slow business days. And so forth.
In an industrial nation, men cannot successfully live hand-to-mouth, as once they did, and as the oppressed peoples in under-developed countries are forced to exist today.
Savings are not currency stuck in a can and buried in the ground. Savings today are in pension and retirement funds, almost all of which are in securities of one form or another. Most of those funds are in 401(k)s. Many of those funds were hard hit in the disaster following the government "affordable housing" fiasco. Many accounts suffered losses of 50% or 75% of their value. Some lost all their value.
Accounts that did not suffer such drastic losses were held by the most financially responsible institutions and individuals. They are in effect now the only ones providing savings until others get back on their feet. The Treasury wants that money. Consider what that means.
Retirement accounts are the nest eggs of those who have worked to provide for their old age. They are the nest eggs of those living on fixed incomes---the retired---of those about-to-retire and of the young. The sum total of American retirement accounts is in the trillions. Should this proposal be made "law," it is obvious where that money will go. The government has incurred gargantuan debt. Turning Americans' retirement accounts over to government control is not merely economic insanity. It is economic suicide. There is no justification for destroying those who have saved. To destroy them on the pretense that such destruction "helps" those who have not saved is based on the same premise that sticking a finger in a dike's hole will prevent the dam from bursting. It is unrealistic, wishful thinking.
Those who have taken responsibility for their retirement cannot help those who have not. The irresponsible will be as irresponsible with what he's given as he was previously. Forcing the responsible to give to the irresponsible merely drains both pockets.
Savers have built retirement funds over years of work, their effort making innumerable goods and services, creating a prosperous, viable economy. Once the savers are destroyed, so will be all those who depend on them---including "low-wage employees," about whom government officials claim to be concerned. Is that what government officials want?
Readers are invited to leave a comment regarding the EBSA proposal on the web site: The Treasury has asked for comments regarding its idea to take over retirement accounts.
http://www.dol.gov/federalregister/HtmlDisplay.aspx?DocId=23512&AgencyId=8
http://www.investmentnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100302/REG/100229880/-1/INRegulatoryAlert03
They’ve just been waiting for the power.
later
Can’t seem to make your link work....is this a RECENT item...or from about a year ago?
How ‘bout a shout out to all of the lazy, little piggies out there who voted for Barack the Kenyan and his band of thieving commie ‘RATS. All of you non-American greedy, little piggies can Kiss My @$$.
Pitchfork time!
They want the money and the power like narcissistic freaks they are, those socialist progressives.
where...
Beck talked about this before BO was elected.
>>How ‘bout a shout out to all of the lazy, little piggies out there who voted for Barack the Kenyan and his band of thieving commie ‘RATS. All of you non-American greedy, little piggies can Kiss My @$$.<<
We can include the petulant children who stayed home b/c McCain wasn’t “pure” enough to pass the True Conservative Test (whatever that is) or voted for that nut Ron Paul.
I won't even support your bankster cronies by borrowing their money for a mortgage and paying the interest. I have $0 debt and I'll never again borrow one thin dime from anybody, for anything, and I'm not going to put my cash anywhere where you can easily see or touch it either. You can all go to hell.
You're going to have to physically invade my private property and kill me if you want my retirement funds now.
I hate these people.
I have been saying for 25 years that they will pull the rug out and changes the rules just as we are about to cross the finish line.
From the perspective of the employee, the EBSA Proposal is equally unjust, violating their rights as well. It wants to force Defined Contribution employees to use "a lifetime stream of income"---i.e., government issued annuities---thereby forbidding lump sum payouts. In other words, the employee's money will no longer be his to use as and when he wants it. Government officials will decide when employees can have the money they've earned and how they can receive it. When government takes over retirement accounts, the money will not be invested in reputable securities earning a return and watched over by expert investment analysts. The money will be siphoned off for other schemes, as is the money one pays into Social Security and Medicare. Employees' savings will be wiped out.
This is usurption of wealth. A clear violation of individual property ownership. Those that have 401Ks should revolt if this becomes law.
Let’s hope Stern isn’t going to head up this marxist plan next before we get too giddy about indictments. This is going to be a sleepless night. The marxist jackals are plotting and planning 24/7.
Ditto to what you said.
I know several people personally who have transferred to TDA and other forms of saving, closing out 401K’s, some of them buying CD’s instead. Thankfully for a couple of them, they did it when things started looking scary, just 6 months or so before the market really fee. But I know others who lost half during that time. This is really frightening, again, people who play by the rules, and set up their futures so they wouldn’t burden others, are in essence criminalized, or at the very least victimized. God forbid they should be able to take care of themselves.
glad I never fell for that retirement account garbage.
I paid the taxes every year and all my savings are tax free.
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