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Army to court martial 'birther' officer
msnbc ^ | April 13, 2010 | Mark Murray

Posted on 04/13/2010 1:39:03 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper

U.S. military officials tell NBC News that the U.S. Army will court martial a lieutenant colonel who refuses to deploy to Afghanistan because he considers orders from President Obama to be "illegal."

Army doctor Lt. Col. Terry Lakin believes Obama does not meet the constitutional requirements to be president and commander-in-chief

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: army; bhodod; birthcertificate; birther; certifigate; courtmartial; eligibility; fraud; ineligible; lakin; military; naturalborncitizen; obama; terrylakin; usurper
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To: jamese777

They can’t present a photocopy of the alleged COLB. It’s not self-authenticating unless they have the hard copy of the actual document. And good luck getting a sworn and notarized statement for Chiyome Fukino that matches anything she’s said to the public.


181 posted on 04/14/2010 8:41:28 AM PDT by edge919
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To: Berlin_Freeper; All


Kowtow.jpg King A bow
Obama bows in Shanghai KSM

Is it ANY WONDER that our Troops
neither Respect nor TRUST their CinC ?!


182 posted on 04/14/2010 8:42:53 AM PDT by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: sergeantdave
I’m listening to a radio report in SC that there is a growing and obvious split between the Army troops who despise king obuma and those who support him.

I bet you I know the characteristics of the supporters.

183 posted on 04/14/2010 8:44:44 AM PDT by Lazamataz ("We beat the Soviet Union. Then we became them." -- Lazamataz, 2005)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Issue:

Does he have a right to present a defense to the charges made that the order is illegal, because it originates from and implements broader orders by an Commander in Chief that is not legally in that position?


184 posted on 04/14/2010 8:46:12 AM PDT by LachlanMinnesota
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To: DallasDeb
Love it.  Can't wait to see the evidence, or more importantly the lack thereof, in this case.



185 posted on 04/14/2010 8:48:20 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Be still & kneel before the know-nothing Omnipotent One, Il Douche' Jr., may fleas be upon him.)
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To: kbennkc
he won’t be missed by soldiers who follow orders and leave politics to civilians .

Yeah, who cares about the last living Medal of Honor recipient on Active Duty? The guy is probably just useless and never did anything for anyone.

186 posted on 04/14/2010 8:48:39 AM PDT by Repeat Offender (While the wicked stand confounded, call me with Thy Saints surrounded)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

The MSM are so unprofessional to coin the term “BIRTHER;” to further make someones views/opinions look nuts and outlandish.

I do not think it is asking for much for the media to DO THEIR investigative/ and “FACT” reporting jobs.

I heard Olbie and Maddow go on and on about the gov of Va and his college records exposed because he went to Pat Robertson’s school.

THEY CAN DIG THIS up but they can’t investigate an AP originated report on Obama CAMPAIGNING on being a true african american born in Kenya?

http://web.archive.org/web/20040627142700/http://eastandard.net/headlines/news26060403.htm


187 posted on 04/14/2010 8:49:35 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: BP2
Who's idiot stick president is this?  He sure doesn't follow Western norms for greetings.

He's a subserviant lackey every time he bows to people who hold positions similar to his.



188 posted on 04/14/2010 8:50:55 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Be still & kneel before the know-nothing Omnipotent One, Il Douche' Jr., may fleas be upon him.)
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To: Repeat Offender
he won’t be missed by soldiers who follow orders and leave politics to civilians .

Yeah, who cares about the last living Medal of Honor recipient on Active Duty? The guy is probably just useless and never did anything for anyone.

Try reading without moving your lips . I think stupid sounds are leaking out and interfering with your comprehension .

189 posted on 04/14/2010 8:51:45 AM PDT by kbennkc (For those who have fought for it , freedom has a flavor the protected will never know F Trp 8th Cav)
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To: Pilsner

Army ‘showdown’ at eligibility corral
Top doctor refuses orders, urges Obama to show birth certificate – ‘if you have 1’


Posted: March 31, 2010
6:13 pm Eastern

By Joe Kovacs
© 2010 WorldNetDaily

Lt. Col. Terry Lakin is the highest-ranking and first active-duty officer to refuse to obey orders based on President Obama’s eligibility.

A top-ranking, highly decorated officer in the U.S. Army says he’s now refusing all orders until President Barack Obama finally releases his long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate to prove his eligibility to serve as commander in chief.

“I feel I have no choice but the distasteful one of inviting my own court martial,” said Lt. Col. Terry Lakin, an active-duty flight surgeon charged with caring for Army Chief of Staff Gen. George Casey’s pilots and air crew. “The Constitution matters. The truth matters.”

“For the first time in all my years of service to our great nation, and at great peril to my career and future, I am choosing to disobey what I believe are illegal orders, including an order to deploy to Afghanistan for my second tour of duty there. I will disobey my orders to deploy because I – and I believe all servicemen and women and the American people – deserve the truth about President Obama’s constitutional eligibility to the office of the presidency and the commander in chief.

“If he is ineligible, then my orders – and indeed all orders – are illegal because all orders have their origin with the commander in chief as handed down through the chain of command.”

In his video message now posted on YouTube, the 18-year veteran personally pleads with the president to stop withholding the key document which would put to rest many of the doubts that continue to linger more than a year into Obama’s term.

“President Obama, I ask you to respect and uphold the Constitution. Be transparent and show your honesty and integrity. Release your original, signed birth certificate, if you have one, thus proving your birth on American soil, and thus assure the American people that you are lawfully eligible to hold the office of the presidency and serve as commander in chief of the Armed Forces.”

“Any reasonable person looking critically at the evidence currently in the public domain would have questions about President Obama’s claim to be a natural-born citizen,” Lakin continued, stating this “troubling” information has gone unanswered “because he refuses to release his original birth certificate dating from 1961 and bearing the signature of the doctor who delivered him. This burden of proof must fall upon the president.”

TheBirthers.org website was thrilled with Lakin’s refusal to obey orders, stating, “This is a game changer.”

Lakin is the highest-ranking officer to go public over Obama’s legitimacy and the first active-duty officer to do so. Others in the military who have challenged the president to no avail thus far include Army doctor Capt. Connie Rhodes and Army reservist Maj. Stefan Cook.


190 posted on 04/14/2010 8:52:19 AM PDT by cycle of discernment
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To: silverleaf
They will court martial him, discharge him, and remove his standing to challenge obama.

Yup. Nobody remembers when SP/4 Michael New refused to serve under the NWO army of the UN but they did the same thing to him. They will utterly crush anybody who refuses to march in lockstep to the declared globalist agenda. I'm sure this guy has had hundreds of other soldiers (officers and enlisted alike) whisper to him that he's doing the right thing and they're prayers are with him and yada yada yada but nobody is going to sacrifice their careers or lives to stand with him. Even if they did, they'd ALL go down in flames in the end. The system is simply set up that way.

191 posted on 04/14/2010 8:52:26 AM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

MY DAUGHTER COULDN’T EVEN ENTER KINDERGARTEN WITH HER CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH. ONLY AN ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE WOULD DO!

Sorry for the yelling. Just saying.


192 posted on 04/14/2010 8:54:48 AM PDT by poobear
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel; All

Any lawyers out there (esp. military AGs) know if this gives the LtCol “standing” to discover the LF/BC?

Yes, but only in the Federal Court system (likely starting at the USDCDC for a quo warranto filing), once he's discharged, fined or receives any other punishment from the Military Court system — which he's fully prepared to do and is anticipating.

At that point, he'll have all three elements required for legal Standing:

Injury, Causation and Redressability


Just like THIS brave person in 1956 who broke the law to correct an injustice:

File:Rosaparks bus.jpg

193 posted on 04/14/2010 8:56:20 AM PDT by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: DallasDeb
Poor guy. Won’t proof of Nobama’s birth have to be provided in order to convict LtCol Lakin?

I'm sure it will be assumed at the outset that Hussein is,in fact,Constitutionally qualified.And if the defendant tries to demand that a genuine birth certificate be presented the trial judge (who,ultimately,answers directly to Hussein) will probably rule that such a demand will not be allowed.

194 posted on 04/14/2010 8:56:49 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Host The Beer Summit-->Win The Nobel Peace Prize!)
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To: kbennkc
Try reading without moving your lips . I think stupid sounds are leaking out and interfering with your comprehension.

You sure are good at throwing around insults to everyone on here and offer nothing of good use.

You seem to forget that in any instance you believe you are being tasked with an unlawful order; you are to request clarification. If upon receiving clarification the order is deemd unlawful you are LEGALLY required to disobey. If no clarification is provided you are LEGALLY required to disobey. Politics has nothing to do with it. But that won't stop you from trying to obfuscate the facts...

Take those "stupid sounds" and stick them up your ###

195 posted on 04/14/2010 8:57:16 AM PDT by Repeat Offender (While the wicked stand confounded, call me with Thy Saints surrounded)
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To: cycle of discernment

nh-obama.jpg (12114 bytes) Barrack Obama

Sunday, June 27, 2004

Kenyan-born Obama all set for US Senate

Kenyan-born US Senate hopeful, Barrack Obama, appeared set to take over the Illinois Senate seat after his main rival, Jack Ryan, dropped out of the race on Friday night amid a furor over lurid sex club allegations.

The allegations that horrified fellow Republicans and caused his once-promising candidacy to implode in four short days have given Obama a clear lead as Republicans struggled to fetch an alternative.

Ryan’s campaign began to crumble on Monday following the release of embarrassing records from his divorce. In the records, his ex-wife, Boston Public actress Jeri Ryan, said her former husband took her to kinky sex clubs in Paris, New York and New Orleans.

"It’s clear to me that a vigorous debate on the issues most likely could not take place if I remain in the race," Ryan, 44, said in a statement. "What would take place, rather, is a brutal, scorched-earth campaign – the kind of campaign that has turned off so many voters, the kind of politics I refuse to play."

Although Ryan disputed the allegations, saying he and his wife went to one ‘avant-garde’ club in Paris and left because they felt uncomfortable, lashed out at the media and said it was "truly outrageous" that the Chicago Tribune got a judge to unseal the records.

The Republican choice will become an instant underdog in the campaign for the seat of retiring Republican Senator Peter Fitzgerald, since Obama held a wide lead even before the scandal broke.

"I feel for him actually," Obama told a Chicago TV station. "What he’s gone through over the last three days I think is something you wouldn’t wish on anybody."

The Republican state committee must now choose a replacement for Ryan, who had won in the primaries against seven contenders. Its task is complicated by the fact that Obama holds a comfortable lead in the polls and is widely regarded as a rising Democratic star.

The chairwoman of the Illinois Republican Party, Judy Topinka, said at a news conference, after Ryan withdrew, that Republicans would probably take several weeks to settle on a new candidate.

"Obviously, this is a bad week for our party and our state," she said.

As recently as Thursday, spokesmen for the Ryan campaign still insisted that Ryan would remain in the race. Ryan had defended himself saying, "There’s no breaking of any laws. There’s no breaking of any marriage laws. There’s no breaking of the Ten Commandments anywhere."

WEB ARCHIVE LINK

196 posted on 04/14/2010 8:57:47 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: cycle of discernment
“If he is ineligible, then my orders – and indeed all orders – are illegal because all orders have their origin with the commander in chief as handed down through the chain of command.”

Yes... So by that "logic," the order establishing the General Court Martial that will try LTC Lakin is also illegal. What power does an illegally established tribunal have to to subpoena records, or compel testimony?

197 posted on 04/14/2010 9:00:29 AM PDT by Pilsner
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Refusing to deploy usually makes someone a hero, but questioning the Messiah makes someone a criminal.

What will the left say?


198 posted on 04/14/2010 9:00:49 AM PDT by Tzimisce (No thanks. We have enough government already. - The Tick)
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To: kbennkc

We are living in unprecedented times. No more old school protocol.

Stop insulting and name calling we get your point.

Please, kindly state your thoughts or be ignored.


199 posted on 04/14/2010 9:00:50 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: Repeat Offender

Correction wrong guy that’s got the MOH. Col Gordon Roberts is the officer at the Pentagon that was just read his rights for the same thing.


200 posted on 04/14/2010 9:01:40 AM PDT by Repeat Offender (While the wicked stand confounded, call me with Thy Saints surrounded)
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