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Arizona House OKs Birther Bill
WND ^ | 4-10-10

Posted on 04/20/2010 12:47:47 AM PDT by hope

House votes to check candidates' citizenship Updated: Monday, 19 Apr 2010, 4:45 PM MDT Published : Monday, 19 Apr 2010, 4:44 PM MDT

PHOENIX (AP) -- The Arizona House on Monday voted for a provision that would require President Barack Obama to show his birth certificate if he hopes to be on the state's ballot when he runs for re-election.

The House voted 31-22 to add the provision to a separate bill. The measure still faces a formal vote.

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TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: arizona; az; birthcertificate; birthers; certifigate; naturalborncitizen; obama; obamaisabirther
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1 posted on 04/20/2010 12:47:47 AM PDT by hope
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To: hope
What I find so entertaining about this birther stuff is that if Obama could stop it all by showing his papers, and doesn't, he thinks it means he's clever and driving people to distraction, when it actually just makes him look like a weirdo.

If you could end all of this by simply showing some papers, why don't you?

2 posted on 04/20/2010 12:53:31 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Conservative Bostonian, atheist pro-lifer, outnumbered by the clueless)
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To: Darkwolf377

bump


3 posted on 04/20/2010 12:54:57 AM PDT by Clovis_Skeptic (The answer to 1984 is 1776!)
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To: Darkwolf377

Because 0bama doesn’t show you his papers. You show him your papers. He runs this regime. It’s his rules, not ours.


4 posted on 04/20/2010 12:58:58 AM PDT by counterpunch (GOP: Government's Other Party)
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To: hope

Interesting to see what ahppens if this actually becomes the law in a few states. Even if it will be only, I guess, Red states that will put such a legislation on the books, what will president 0 do?

To win the election he may not have to contest those states, but then not even the MSM can avoid asking the question: Why does he not show his papers??


5 posted on 04/20/2010 12:59:04 AM PDT by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: ScaniaBoy; Darkwolf377

“Why does he not show his papers??”

Because zer0’s got something to hide.

You betcha.

What that is, is another matter, and is unknown for certain.

But it worries him rather deeply. He first started dodging in March, 2008. The fake CoLB showed up online 2 or 3 months later.


6 posted on 04/20/2010 1:05:37 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, John 11:25, 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13, John 6:69)
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To: hope

Maybe this thing is finally getting legs. But I don’t see how it will ever be proved on way or the other because the msm would be clearly shown for the fraud it is. They never asked any questions, almost as if they knew they would find something they didn’t want to know. Look at what they did to Sarah Palin after it was announced that she would be mccain’s running mate. The media cannot allow this to examined period, even obumber is found legit they will still be exposed for their deliberate cover-up. In for a penny, in for a pound, and they msm is clearly in up to there neck in this deception.


7 posted on 04/20/2010 1:05:58 AM PDT by JoSixChip (It's time to embrace the madness! The sooner we default the sooner we can reorganize.)
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To: F15Eagle
What that is, is another matter, and is unknown for certain.

I've argued this with birthers all along: I don't think the birth certificate/location of birth is "it" at all. It's something else.

8 posted on 04/20/2010 1:10:00 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Conservative Bostonian, atheist pro-lifer, outnumbered by the clueless)
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To: Darkwolf377

Could be. There’s been lots of claims of “Kenyan-born” in various press of course.

It may show him as brought to Hawaii and “made” Hawaiian.

Or it could be another father listed which destroys a BHO, Sr. myth.

Don’t know.

But whatever it is, it scares him. That much is obvious.


9 posted on 04/20/2010 1:21:53 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, John 11:25, 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13, John 6:69)
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To: hope

I want the Arizona state legislature to move to my state. They’re knocking them out of the park, one after the other.

Good on you, Arizona.


10 posted on 04/20/2010 1:32:33 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: F15Eagle
Or it could be another father listed which destroys a BHO, Sr. myth

But if that real father is a US Citizen ,(assuming birth in HI,) his Natural Born Citizen problem goes away.

Seems to me that holding onto the "myth" wouldn't be as important as holding onto the office.

11 posted on 04/20/2010 1:40:59 AM PDT by ASA Vet (Iran should have ceased to exist Nov 5, 1979, but we had no president then either.)
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To: All

Honestly I think he was born in Hawaii but that s as far as I’m willing to go.

What does he have to hide?

Everything, just think about this.

First his biological father was Kenyan that by itself creates the whole dual American/British citizenship question.
But his biological mother, Stanley Ann Dunham was a hard leftist PhD. What if while she and Obamas father were studying Russian she had renounced her citizenship with plans to go to Russia with Obama’s father before she became pregnant or back to Kenya or who knows?

Its a stretch but possible, we know little about her.

Now you have a situation where the dad is Kenya and the mother is more or less a person w/o a country, but she is allowed to return to Hawaii to give birth.

Next possibility is that when she married Lolo Soetoro and moved to Indonesia, LoLo adopted Obama and had his citizenship changed to that of Indonesian and Ann renounced hers too.

Now you have both in a very gray area of legal qualifications regarding natural born, or even citizens at all.

So the question needs to be asked...

What process is in place if after Obama became 18, he was back in the US, had been here for 8 years and now he wants to become a US citizen.

And his excuse is I never renounced my citizenship my parents did. I want it back.

So all of this or any part of it is documented, original birth certificates were issued and reissued over and over reflecting the changes as he went thru any of what I just described.

I’m sure that the reason Obama is hiding his BC is because its a freaking mess, something similar to what I just described. And if it all came out, it would take 10,000 lawyers the same number of years just to figure out how to file the response to the law suit, let alone make any type of coherent argument for Obama.


12 posted on 04/20/2010 1:52:25 AM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour
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To: hope

I think such law should be enacted in all states regardless of 0bama’s status because it’s required by the constitution.


13 posted on 04/20/2010 2:04:55 AM PDT by paudio (Are you better off today than in 2006, when the Democrats took over the Congress?)
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To: Darkwolf377

I am a Glenn Beck fan—but his behavior about the birther issue is bizarre. First, there’s the absurd claim that, in order for anyone to put a fake birth announcement in the newspapers, they must have planned to put Barack in the White House!

Then, there’s the theory that Obama is withholding his birth certificate from public view just to make birthers look stupid.

I think Obama knows he’s a lame duck the moment one state passes a law requiring a long-form birth certificate.


14 posted on 04/20/2010 2:04:57 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan (In Edward Kennedy's America, federal funding of brothels is a right, not a privilege.)
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To: ASA Vet

Perhaps, but he’ll lose a good part of his cult. Agreed the citizen problem goes away.

He said in his book that he found his birth certificate at granny’s apartment.

The same granny he visited 6 days before the election.

The same granny that passed away 2 days before the election.

Did he need to retrieve a certain document in her apartment?


15 posted on 04/20/2010 2:05:50 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, John 11:25, 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13, John 6:69)
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To: Arthur McGowan
Yeah, I don't apologize for thinking the birthers like Beck look a bit, uh, overly focused? Yet I hope I have to change my mind about them!

I almost said I think Obama knows he's a lame duck, anyway, but then I remember him saying we all owe him thanks for reducing our taxes. The guy's absurd.

16 posted on 04/20/2010 2:08:59 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Conservative Bostonian, atheist pro-lifer, outnumbered by the clueless)
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To: Darkwolf377

He is indeed a lame duck, for many reason, one of which will be any state, just one passing such a law as this.

He will quietly bow out of the race prior to the DNC Convention citing something like family and of course how successful his one term was.


17 posted on 04/20/2010 2:12:16 AM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

You may be onto something. I, too, have thought he might not run for a second term. The amount of time he spends playing golf (already more than Bush 43 played in 8 years), some of the things he’s said and done, make me think he’s already achieved all he needs to get into the history books and he knows it, and would rather go out to loving crowds and read speeches and that’s all. Even his biggest fan can’t argue he’s very engaged in the job, other than those parts involving cameras and applause.


18 posted on 04/20/2010 2:17:48 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Conservative Bostonian, atheist pro-lifer, outnumbered by the clueless)
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To: Darkwolf377
"If you could end all of this by simply showing some papers, why don't you?"

He doesn't because he can't. His paper trail is a path of incrimination that quickly leads to impeachment. Nobody would suffer all this controversy needlessly.

Do you have proper Tea Party attire?:


19 posted on 04/20/2010 2:29:04 AM PDT by TexasVoter (No Constituion - No Union!)
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To: Darkwolf377

If he could win a second term like Bill Clinton, he would stay and run again. But too much is piling up for him to want to say.

From the possibility that he could find himself in the embarrassing spot of not being on the ballot in all 50 states.

To the fact that most of the real trouble with the economy will come crashing down to earth during his second term.

Deficits, Heath Care etc...

His last two years will be none events, due to the lock the Repubs will have on Congress come November, so nothing more of his will pass after that. And there is a real possibility the Repubs will refuse to fund Health Care in lieu of raising taxes on us.

Bambi will be in a bad boat without the whole birth certificate mess in 2012, if he has it to worry about as well. Yeah he’s gone.


20 posted on 04/20/2010 2:32:14 AM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour
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To: TexasVoter
SWEET shirt!

Nobody would suffer all this controversy needlessly.

That's the thing that keeps me thinking about this. If I could shut these people up I'd do it, and sit back and mock those who tried to ruin me. Instead, he lets it go on. And we know how sensitive he is to ANY criticism.

21 posted on 04/20/2010 2:34:48 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Conservative Bostonian, atheist pro-lifer, outnumbered by the clueless)
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To: hope

Just one state needs to do this and make it bullet proof in what it required... an original long form birth certificate which can be corroborated by hospital records.


22 posted on 04/20/2010 2:35:10 AM PDT by FTJM
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To: Darkwolf377
If you could end all of this by simply showing some papers, why don't you?

Because he's the Regime Leader and he gets to make up the rules.  It's not in our best interest to question The Dear Leader's judgment.

23 posted on 04/20/2010 2:45:30 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper ("Ked Tennedy would have been plowed... I mean, proud today..." - Senator Max Baucus (Drunk-MT))
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To: hope
I would love to hear what McLame has to say about this..........

:}

24 posted on 04/20/2010 3:00:55 AM PDT by AwesomePossum
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To: FTJM
I would hope a number of states will tighten up this requirement. Once Arizona does it others will. About 10 states should do it.
25 posted on 04/20/2010 3:14:40 AM PDT by Recon Dad ( USMC SSgt Patrick O - 3rd Afghanistan Deployment - Day 182)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
And his excuse is I never renounced my citizenship my parents did. I want it back.

Which seems like a legitimate position.

26 posted on 04/20/2010 3:20:13 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: hope

Arizona seems to be heading in the right direction.

My family and I are going to AZ this summer for vacation. I wonder if the citizens would mind if I didn’t leave?


27 posted on 04/20/2010 3:23:27 AM PDT by CriticalJ (Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.. But then I repeat myself. MT)
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To: counterpunch

bingo


28 posted on 04/20/2010 3:23:57 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: ScaniaBoy

“To win the election he may not have to contest those states, but then not even the MSM can avoid asking the question: Why does he not show his papers??”

We need to push for something like this here in Florida.


29 posted on 04/20/2010 3:24:47 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: F15Eagle

Perhaps his Father is someone no one has thought of yet. The truth would, indeed, be cleansing for this nation.


30 posted on 04/20/2010 3:48:18 AM PDT by jazzlite (esat)
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To: Darkwolf377
I've argued this with birthers all along: I don't think the birth certificate/location of birth is "it" at all. It's something else.

Agreed! But, the birth certificate is a start, not the end!

31 posted on 04/20/2010 4:15:17 AM PDT by Bushbacker1 (I miss President Bush greatly! Palin in 2012! 2012 - The End Of An Error! (Oathkeeper))
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

His mother could not renounce his citizenship.

If born American, your citizenship is a birthright untouchable by the courts or administrative action. If you have American citizenship from birth, the only person who can take that citizenship from you is yourself.

You have to both affirmatively renounce it and act in a manner consistent with renouncing it. Simply acquiring a second citizenship is not enough.

Parents do not have the right to renounce a child’s citizenship.


32 posted on 04/20/2010 4:23:01 AM PDT by GreenLanternCorps ("Barack Obama" is Swahili for "Jimmy Carter".)
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To: Bushbacker1

That’s it exactly—the birth certificate is the start, not the end. In itself, if released, I bet it would prove nothing. And then a few days after it was released, someone would put it together with something else, and...


33 posted on 04/20/2010 4:29:42 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Conservative Bostonian, atheist pro-lifer, outnumbered by the clueless)
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To: Windflier
I want the Arizona state legislature to move to my state. They’re knocking them out of the park, one after the other...Good on you, Arizona.

Now, knock McLame out of the park.

34 posted on 04/20/2010 4:38:56 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Republicans...the REAL civil rights party.)
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To: jazzlite

He doesn’t look one bit like Senior, that’s for sure.


35 posted on 04/20/2010 5:14:18 AM PDT by bergmeid (Fumigate Washington NOW)
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To: Darkwolf377

I’ve been asking that question for a year. No, The Marxist Onada is not being clever. Only a fool would let the questioin of his birth go unresolved for so long if he had a credible document proving it. Even though Onada publicly ignores the issue, it must still be distracting. It is certainly distracting enough that he and his handlers must organize legal defenses and expend time preparing for and arguing in court.

All Onada is doing is playing for time. He hopes his ineligibility for the Presidency will not catch up with him before the end of his term—or he can pull some political stunt that results in the suspension of presidential elections.


36 posted on 04/20/2010 5:14:33 AM PDT by dools007
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To: hope

Every state should enact a similar law.


37 posted on 04/20/2010 5:50:27 AM PDT by SueRae
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To: hope

The fact that Obama has spent so much money in hiding his birth records speaks for itself.


38 posted on 04/20/2010 5:57:54 AM PDT by real_patriotic_american
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To: ASA Vet

“Seems to me that holding onto the ‘myth’ wouldn’t be as important as holding onto the office.”

Except, he wrote a book about his father - BHO, Sr. When his dad turns out to be Frank Marshall Davis, everyone will know for sure that he is a full on liar and communist (born and raised)!!!!

I mean, most of us already know this, but this will be proof!


39 posted on 04/20/2010 6:08:00 AM PDT by ExTxMarine (Hey Congress: Go Conservative or Go Home!)
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To: Darkwolf377

Maybe he doesn’t have one. But the BC is only the tip of the iceberg. I posit that the suspect claimed non-U.S. citizenship at various times to apply for goodies like student financial aid. Was it Barack the Kenyan or Barry the Indonesian? In either case, he can’t start releasing documents unless he wants to have to release them all.


40 posted on 04/20/2010 6:24:03 AM PDT by Genoa (Luke 12:2)
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To: Recon Dad
About 10 states should do it.

One state is all it takes to force his hand.
41 posted on 04/20/2010 6:25:32 AM PDT by Genoa (Luke 12:2)
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To: hope

First concealed carry, then irresponsible undocumented worker laws, now this kookery. Arizona is turning out to be a hotbed of real right-wing kookery. And to think John “The Electable” McCain comes from there. It’s amazing they elected someone sensible like him and not a fellow kook like Warren Jeffs.

(OK, it is sarcasm, but I AM surprised no one has said it seriously.)


42 posted on 04/20/2010 6:35:52 AM PDT by MichiganConservative (A government big enough to do unto the people you don't like will get to doing unto you soon enough.)
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To: Darkwolf377

Does that not sound just like a narcissist? He’s bored already and ready for the next conquest.

I’m pretty certain of his narcissism. But I’m not sure of whether he’s a sociopath, yet.


43 posted on 04/20/2010 6:38:57 AM PDT by MichiganConservative (A government big enough to do unto the people you don't like will get to doing unto you soon enough.)
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To: JoSixChip
The media cannot allow this to examined period, even obumber is found legit they will still be exposed for their deliberate cover-up.

And of course ''conservative'' pundits like BOR and GB who aggressively try to discredit ''birthers.'' Plus various and sundry politicians who stonewalled the issue and utterly failed in their constitutional duty.

44 posted on 04/20/2010 6:46:05 AM PDT by Menehune56 ("Let them hate so long as they fear" (Oderint Dum Metuant), Lucius Accius, (170 BC - 86 BC))
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To: AwesomePossum

Yeah, can hardly wait to see how McCain votes on this.


45 posted on 04/20/2010 7:12:12 AM PDT by hope
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To: Darkwolf377

“If you could end all of this by simply showing some papers, why don’t you?”

The answer to this is startlingly simple.

The issue of WHERE Obama was born is very similar to WHO he was born to, his heritage.

As long as the “Birther” issue is one that the MSM, liberal nose-ring lackeys, and various other sheep can MOCK, it is an effective smoke screen.

The issue of his place of birth is not relevant. Right now, because people even use the word BIRTH, it gets discounted instantly because of the mockery given his birth certificate.

Tie that to questioning his HERITAGE, and you get instantly labeled a Racist because he is half white half black.

So we have mockery and racism charges that the Birth certificate effectively acts as a SHIELD for the cretin.

The discussion must be shifted from BOTH, in order for the truth to become truly mainstream enough to force SCOTUS to deal with it.

It must be shifted to discussing the Presidents BRITISH HERITAGE, because it is THAT which disqualifies him from the office he has usurped. From the instant he was conceived, Barack Hussein Obama II could not have, under any circumstances,been born a Natural Born Citizen.

He could have been BORN in the Oval Office, and still the fact remains he had TWO citizenships. Which means, by definition, he would never ever be a Natural Born Citizen.

WE DO NOT HAVE A CONSTITUTIONAL PRESIDENT AND GOVERNMENT.

THIS MUST BE ADDRESSED IMMEDIATELY.

EVERY AMERICAN SHOULD BE DEMANDING THAT OBAMA STEP OUT OF THAT OFFICE IMMEDIATELY. (Preferably in handcuffs, but I will settle for just getting a constitutional government back.)


46 posted on 04/20/2010 7:15:57 AM PDT by Danae (Don't like the Constitution, try living in a country with out one.)
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To: F15Eagle

He actually started in 2005 by co-sponsoring the senate resolution that stated McCain was an NBC.

The cretin, the bastard KNOWS he isn’t an NBC.

So do those who put him there. The LIKE his unconstitutionality, because this FREES them from the constrictions of the constitution. He presence BREAKS it. Don’t wonder for an instant why he and Congress are pushing blatantly unconstitutional legislation. We do not have a constitutional government.


47 posted on 04/20/2010 7:19:13 AM PDT by Danae (Don't like the Constitution, try living in a country with out one.)
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To: Darkwolf377
If you could end all of this by simply showing some papers, why don't you?

Is there a venue that would satisfy the birthers? He could publish a photograph or scanned image, but we know that wouldn't be acceptable. He could have Polarik examine the original, but then the real man behind the nom de plume wouldn't know an authentic document from a forgery if he held it in his hands. He can't present his BC in court because no court has asked for it.

Showing his papers is not all that simple.

48 posted on 04/20/2010 7:36:21 AM PDT by lucysmom
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To: lucysmom
He can't present his BC in court because no court has asked for it. Showing his papers is not all that simple.

I'm not a birther--I think they're doing a lot of damage--but come on, he can't present his BC? Who said court--why not just have the original in the press room for examination, with a copy machine nearby so after personal inspection a reporter can see the copy made?

All of this could be done tomorrow, and the birthers would be shamed into silence.

49 posted on 04/20/2010 7:40:58 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Conservative Bostonian, atheist pro-lifer, outnumbered by the clueless)
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To: Darkwolf377
All of this could be done tomorrow, and the birthers would be shamed into silence.

I doubt it.

50 posted on 04/20/2010 8:02:26 AM PDT by lucysmom
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