Posted on 05/02/2010 11:43:59 AM PDT by Chi-townChief
We want immigrants what we don’t want is low or no skilled illegal immigrants that take from the country they arrive in. Most of those who cross illegally into this country would never be allowed to immigrate even if we allowed more legal immigration because of thier lack of education and skills.
Couldn’t you just hear the screams if countires who are experincing this outlawed abortion and the pill to solve it?
The (of all people) Sierra Club, who as an organization was virtually against immigrants, posted studies that the US, minus both legal and illegal input (45 million) the US would have birth rate like that of Japan.
From http://www.susps.org/
Quote
"Since 1996, leaders of the Sierra Club have refused to admit that immigration driven, rapid U.S. population growth causes massive environmental problems. And they have refused to acknowledge the need to reduce U.S. immigration levels in order to stabilize the U.S. population and protect our natural resources. Their refusal to do what common sense says is best for the environment was a mystery for nearly a decade.
Then, on Oct. 27, 2004, the Los Angeles Times revealed the answer: David Gelbaum, a super rich donor, had demanded this position from the Sierra Club in return for huge donations! Kenneth Weiss, author of the LA Times article that broke the story, quoted what David Gelbaum said to Sierra Club Executive Director Carl Pope:
"I did tell Carl Pope in 1994 or 1995 that if they ever came out anti-immigration, they would never get a dollar from me."
Who says money doesn't talk?
And from http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=20040218&slug=sierra18m
"While most environmental groups typically have not tackled U.S. population growth, the stalwart Sierra Club addressed it as early as 1965.
The club persuaded Stanford biologist Paul Ehrlich to write "The Population Bomb" (1968), which defined population as a national environmental issue.
Later, the group championed a national population policy, family planning programs and the availability of abortion. It also looked at population in developing countries, again advocating reproductive health and family planning services.
Limiting U.S. immigration was part of the club's "population-stabilization" platform.
"The U.S., by many measures, is the most overpopulated nation on the planet because of our consumption level, because of the number of resources we use and the way we contribute to the deterioration of the ecosystem," said Judy Kunofsky, a Berkeley mathematician who chaired the club's population committee in the 1980s.
"The Sierra Club believed that for everyone's sake around the world, the U.S. both needed to curb its consumption and stop increasing its numbers."
Notice the SC relationship with Paul Ehrlich.
More here http://www.commonsenseonmassimmigration.us/articles/art_hull.html
and here
http://www.overpopulation.org/older.html
THe links are for your review, I DO NOT promote any of thier views - one way or the other.
I will say we must control the invasion on our borders or face the prospect of failure as a Nation-State.
The (whoever) will never be able to discern the difference between Illegal and legal immigration. (or they just won’t because it’s the current talking point or can’t because they are too stupid)
I would guess the number of people who want ZERO immigrations is fairly small.
We must end Islamic immigration. Illegal and Legal.
One big strawman article. Steinberg is a buffoon.
Youthful immigrants also get associated with stuff like MS13. But what do you expect from a Brookings dude.
The point is this is disingenuous journalism. People are fed up with this blatant disregard of the law, states are going under, social costs are astronomical, crime is rampant and Americans are expected to educate and provide health care for millions of illegals running across the border into America. I’m sorry if I don’t see it that way.
This journalist evades these important facts and writes as if America owes these people some type of livelihood, when their own nation cannot provide it, even with significant oil and gas revenues. America is declared racist if we build a fence on the border, and we are declared racist if we arrest illegals who have no right to be here and we are declared racist if we do anything to reduce this onslaught on our nation - and then the Obama Administration completely ducks the issue right when leadership is called for - so then how do we protect out nation? Anyone from the Dem side? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?
Oh Amnesty! Sorry, we cannot afford it.
Mexico, not being able to care for its people, encourages their illegal entry into the US and offers instruction in the process. I think it is time for America to file suit against Mexico, and charge them an indemnity for every illegal alien we find in our country - under the assumption that they were instructed to come here by their government.
Their oil revenues should be taken to compensate Americans to pay for the aliens social costs. That will change their tune.
How about we treat Mexicans like they treat aliens on their southern border - funny how they shut up when you bring that up, because they horrendously abuse them.
How about taxing their remittances home, a nice 20%? That would help things in this country.
I totally agree with you.
and I bet remittances are taxed in the destination country
What he fails to note is that historical immigration reduces native fertility rates. We end up displacing ourselves. Higher taxes and increase cost of housing leads to delayed marriage and fewer children.
I see no reason why we would not be at replacement rates in the US without immigration. And there is nothing patriotic about replacing Americans with those who do not see this as their “patria”, fatherland.
Excellent post
Right problem, wrong answer.
He’s correct that the only thing keeping western Europe afloat is immigration. He’s incorrect if he regards immigration as the solution to the overall structural issues in Western Europe, and to a lesser extent, in Canada. It’s not. Immigrants on average are older than the average citizen. While it is true that immigration slows the demographic change, it is a bandaid. You simply need far more immigrants than even Canada admits, and we let in the highest number.
“The problem is our liberal culture has conditioned young White people to be totally against the concept of having children.
Im younger, and Ive seen it prevalent among other young people Ive known. How ever, I believe my wife and I made up for their lack of pro-creation.”
Yes, it’s a hard mindset to overcome. Most of the girls my age are just not interested in a family. :(
They won’t have a choice. Families that reject the pill will replace those who support it.
Leftists don't realize how adept we'll get with robotics and automation. We don't need human lettuce pickers and all the schools, jails, welfare, and free health care needed for them.
With the pill and abortion, what's happening is a Democrat voter death spiral. Conservative families are growing. Now just the people that like children are having them, and that's a good thing. The birthrate will climb as the Democrat voters die off. They want to open the floodgates on immigration as a way of attaining political power.
We no longer need to reduce the nations Carbon footprint.
- IF YOU CROSS THE NORTH KOREAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU GET 12 YEARS HARD LABOR.
- IF YOU CROSS THE IRANIAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU ARE DETAINED INDEFINITELY.
- IF YOU CROSS THE AFGHAN BORDER ILLEGALLY, YOU GET SHOT.
- IF YOU CROSS THE SAUDI ARABIAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE JAILED.
- IF YOU CROSS THE CHINESE BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU MAY NEVER BE HEARD FROM AGAIN.
- IF YOU CROSS THE VENEZUELAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE BRANDED A SPY AND YOUR FATE WILL BE SEALED.
- IF YOU CROSS THE CUBAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE THROWN INTO POLITICAL PRISON TO ROT.
- IF YOU CROSS THE U.S. BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU GET..............................
1-A JOB
2 - A DRIVERS LICENSE,
3 - SOCIAL SECURITY CARD,
4 - WELFARE,
5 - FOOD STAMPS,
6 - CREDIT CARDS,
7 - SUBSIDIZED RENT OR A LOAN TO BUY A HOUSE,
8 - FREE EDUCATION,
9 - FREE HEALTH CARE,
10 - A LOBBYIST IN WASHINGTON ,
11 - BILLIONS OF DOLLARS WORTH OF PUBLIC DOCUMENTS PRINTED IN YOUR LANGUAGE,
12 - AND THE RIGHT TO CARRY YOUR COUNTRYS FLAG WHILE YOU PROTEST THAT YOU DONT GET ENOUGH RESPECT.
“Steinberg doesn’t realize that no one is calling to “stop immigration.”
I’ll call for a total ban on anyone from Norway or Germany ever being allowed into this country!!
I’m half and half and those slimy socialist bastards should be banned forever!!!!
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.