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Itís all a conspiracy ("Birther" Hitpiece by Leftist Rag)
Las Vegas Sun ^ | 05/15/10 | Editorial Staff

Posted on 05/15/2010 3:23:59 PM PDT by circumbendibus

Hawaii Gov. Linda Lingle, a Republican, signed legislation Wednesday that will allow state officials to ignore repeated requests for President Barack Obama’s birth certificate. Why? The state has been overwhelmed with requests for the document — the stack of queries through March measures 13 inches high — and the demand is burning up staff time.

It is amazing that more than a year after the president took office, the “birthers” are still alive and kicking, trying to prove that Obama wasn’t born in the United States and is thus ineligible to be president. Nevermind the proof that he was born in Hawaii, like his Hawaiian birth certificate. Birthers say it’s not the “legitimate” birth certificate, even though Hawaiian officials, including the Republican governor, say it is. The birthers also dismiss the fact that two Honolulu newspapers printed birth announcements shortly after he was born. Anyone, after all, could have submitted those announcements.

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To: jamese777

I believe your reading comprehension needs a bit of work as well. If you viewed the image I posted, you would see that it was not issued in 1961. It was a reprint from (presumably) microfiche in 1966. One might expect a recently issued copy to look identical, as it would be prepared from the same microfiche.

I too had to send away for a certified copy of my birth certificate twenty years ago. The State of Maryland sent me a photocopy of the original long-form certificate with an embossed seal. I have it in an envelope here somewhere.

Maybe Obama was born in Hawaii and maybe he wasn’t. I used to think he was born in Hawaii—now, after months of stonewalling by Obama’s attorneys, I’m not so sure. Now I want to know what Obama is hiding! At a minimum, Obama should be subjected to the same standard of proof applied to McCain during the Senate’s investigation of his eligibility.

If you are unwilling to apply the same standard of proof to Obama, then I respectfully submit that you are not an impartial observer to this slowly unfolding drama.


101 posted on 05/16/2010 1:53:46 PM PDT by dinodino
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To: jamese777
You would think that would have happened by now.

If it were a Republican President, the communists in the WH and the Media would have thrown him out of office in shackles inside a year.

OTOH, a combination of vicious Communists in power, aka the Chicago mob and balless Republicans who should confront them but wouldn't, is the reason why it ain’t happening.

102 posted on 05/16/2010 2:44:57 PM PDT by melancholy
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To: melancholy

If it were a Republican President, the communists in the WH and the Media would have thrown him out of office in shackles inside a year.

OTOH, a combination of vicious Communists in power, aka the Chicago mob and balless Republicans who should confront them but wouldn’t, is the reason why it ain’t happening.


Well, Dick Cheney didn’t even bother to ASK if there were any written objections to certifying Obama’s Electoral College votes, so perhaps you’re right.


103 posted on 05/16/2010 3:25:25 PM PDT by jamese777
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To: dinodino

I believe your reading comprehension needs a bit of work as well. If you viewed the image I posted, you would see that it was not issued in 1961. It was a reprint from (presumably) microfiche in 1966. One might expect a recently issued copy to look identical, as it would be prepared from the same microfiche.

I too had to send away for a certified copy of my birth certificate twenty years ago. The State of Maryland sent me a photocopy of the original long-form certificate with an embossed seal. I have it in an envelope here somewhere.

Maybe Obama was born in Hawaii and maybe he wasn’t. I used to think he was born in Hawaii—now, after months of stonewalling by Obama’s attorneys, I’m not so sure. Now I want to know what Obama is hiding! At a minimum, Obama should be subjected to the same standard of proof applied to McCain during the Senate’s investigation of his eligibility.

If you are unwilling to apply the same standard of proof to Obama, then I respectfully submit that you are not an impartial observer to this slowly unfolding drama.


A birth certificate issued in 1966 is still irrelevant to what was being discussed on this thread which is a RECENTLY issued official copy of a long form.

The standard of proof that seems reasonable to me is the standard set by the Department of Homeland Security (and when this standard applied to Obama and McCain, it was the Bush administration’s Department of Homeland Security).
That standard is as follows:
The Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act of 2004, Section 7211, mandated that minimum standards be set for birth certificates acceptable for federal purposes. The Department of Health and Human Services (of which the National Center for Health Statistics is a part) was tasked with issuing the standard. The statute defined a “birth certificate” as follows:

(a) DEFINITION- In this section, the term `birth certificate’ means a certificate of birth–
(1) for an individual (regardless of where born)–
(A) who is a citizen or national of the United States at birth; and
(B) whose birth is registered in the United States; and
(2) that–
(A) is issued by a Federal, State, or local government agency or authorized custodian of record and produced from birth records maintained by such agency or custodian of record; or
(B) is an authenticated copy, issued by a Federal, State, or local government agency or authorized custodian of record, of an original certificate of birth issued by such agency or custodian of record.
The Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act of 2004 specifically mandates three categories of minimum standards for vital registration, including standards on (1) the certification of birth certificates and the use of safety paper, (2) proof and verification of identity as a condition of issuance of a birth certificate, and (3) processing of birth certificate applications to prevent fraud.”

If a birth certificate meets the standards listed above, it should be good enough to qualify the person named as being eligible for the presidency. A birth certificate contains two pieces of information that are relevant to qualifying as natural born under Article 2, Section 1 of the Constitution: place of birth and date of birth.


104 posted on 05/16/2010 3:51:04 PM PDT by jamese777
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To: rolling_stone

The bet is on. You will not be wasting money, Free Republic is a great cause.


We finally agree to something! I’ve been meaning to donate anyway, so here we go!


105 posted on 05/16/2010 3:52:06 PM PDT by jamese777
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To: jamese777
Well, Dick Cheney didn’t even bother to ASK if there were any written objections to certifying Obama’s Electoral College votes, so perhaps you’re right.

Dick Cheney can't be blamed for everything as in the proverbial "it's Bush's fault." Strange, you're not blaming anybody else.

What about the chief rats, Pelosi and Reid PLUS the DNC big wigs? We must not forget the illegal monies and bribes to keep the cover up in force. Soros anybody??

Anybody who knew that 0bagger was not eligible for POTUS and kept quiet or helped in the cover up must serve time and should be financially wiped out.

This wouldn't pay a drop of the deficit spending flood, but a country of laws should act to show that crime doesn't pay.

106 posted on 05/16/2010 4:05:15 PM PDT by melancholy
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To: melancholy

Dick Cheney can’t be blamed for everything as in the proverbial “it’s Bush’s fault.” Strange, you’re not blaming anybody else.

What about the chief rats, Pelosi and Reid PLUS the DNC big wigs? We must not forget the illegal monies and bribes to keep the cover up in force. Soros anybody??

Anybody who knew that 0bagger was not eligible for POTUS and kept quiet or helped in the cover up must serve time and should be financially wiped out.

This wouldn’t pay a drop of the deficit spending flood, but a country of laws should act to show that crime doesn’t pay.


I’m only blaming Cheney, in his role as President of the Senate for ONE thing, not everything.
I was giving one example of Republican complicity. In my humble opinion the Cheney failure was particularly eggregious because it would have only taken any TWO members of Congress (any one Senator and any one Representative) to challenge certification of Obama’s electoral votes and an automatic Congressional investigation would have had to occur.
Since the Courts have consistently denied legal standing to individual citizens challenging Obama’s eligibility, that Congressional investigation could have drawn worldwide attention to the issue that the mass media would have been unable to ignore. Plus a congressional investigation COULD have subpoenaed Obama’s birth certificate. But it didn’t happen.


107 posted on 05/16/2010 4:13:32 PM PDT by jamese777
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To: jamese777

Yeah, that’s good but he should have been swift boated before he was elected president because the usurper is trying to destory this country and that is a shame.


108 posted on 05/16/2010 5:17:19 PM PDT by rambo316
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To: jamese777
I was giving one example of Republican complicity.

Why, James, COMPLICITY means an act associated with the commission of a crime or illegal activity. Republicrats are complicit all right.

At least, if 0b0z0 was born in HI and you say that's enough to be eligible for POTUS, then what crime was committed by 0b0z0 for which "complicity" was required?

I hope that was your humble opinion, rather than a Freudian slip! LOL!

Now, which is it?

109 posted on 05/16/2010 5:20:34 PM PDT by melancholy
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To: jamese777

The standard of proof which seems reasonable to you is not the one which applied to McCain’s eligibility hearing. McCain provided his long-form certificate to the Senate. There is no legitimate reason Obama should not do the same.

I wish I could see your IP address. You’re probably posting from inside the White House...Rahm, is that you?


110 posted on 05/16/2010 6:24:23 PM PDT by dinodino
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To: dinodino

The standard of proof which seems reasonable to you is not the one which applied to McCain’s eligibility hearing. McCain provided his long-form certificate to the Senate. There is no legitimate reason Obama should not do the same.

I wish I could see your IP address. You’re probably posting from inside the White House...Rahm, is that you?


It is much easier to forge and/or create an “original” long form birth certificate that is not printed on counterfeit proof “safety” paper than it is to forge or create a modern birth document that is printed on safety paper.

Would you trust a document provided by Barack Obama or released under his authority to be genuine?

“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago.”—July 27, 2009

I live in San Diego, California and I post from here. There are really good medications for paranoia these days. I suggest you look into it.


111 posted on 05/16/2010 8:13:52 PM PDT by jamese777
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To: circumbendibus

Even John Avlon at The Daily Beast knows where this started.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-02-08/the-secret-history-of-the-birthers/?cid=tag:all1

I was here at FR watching Hillary’s PUMAs ask frantically for help. I was the one who found the Obama-in-Kenyon-Muslim-garb photo on an obscure African news website and posted it, only to be asked by a desperate PUMA where I found it. I gave her the link.


112 posted on 05/16/2010 9:35:58 PM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade, There are only two sides. Pick one.)
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To: omegadawn; little jeremiah
You only need one parent a U.S. citizen and birth on American soil to be a Native born (naturalized) citizen. Natural born citizenship ( Article 2) requires that both parents be U.S. citizens.

That is the first I've heard of such a distinction. Your basis for arguing this distinction? Link?

My own mother was a U.K. subject (still) when I was born in Indiana. You telling me I am not a "natural-born citizen"?

113 posted on 05/17/2010 4:50:57 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: sageb1

Excellent article written in Feb of this year!

Party Unity My Ass, PUMA, is a new one one me. Good. I hope they’re still active.

Good for you for posting the pix of 0 in Muslim garb. I am not a “wing nut”. I am interested in the truth. ;)


114 posted on 05/17/2010 4:54:06 AM PDT by circumbendibus (Obama is an unconstitutional illegal putative president. Quo Warranto in 2010)
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To: Philo1962
That's going to take a professor of constitutional law to answer.

There is certainly one supposed 'professor of constitutional law' who could provide some paperwork for evidence, but beyond the Community Organizer in Chief's, professors' opinions usually don't carry much legal weight.

I know there have been quite a few attempts made to have a judge rule on obama's eligibility, but don't know what approaches have been tried other than gross legal incompetence. Orly has mastered it and she has enjoyed the predictable success.

I would welcome any and all states requiring candidates provide their long form BCs. One of the few great things about obama so far is state's rights battles against the Fed.

115 posted on 05/17/2010 5:03:32 AM PDT by GBA (Resistance is Constitutional!)
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To: jamese777
Obama’s original birth documents could be subpoenaed by the state Attorney General (who is also a Republican) but he seems to be on Obama’s side in all this. His name is Mark L. Bennett.

So what is with these Hawaiian Republicans? Death threats? Blackmail? Their actions are simply impossible to understand.

116 posted on 05/17/2010 6:26:36 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: lentulusgracchus

James is an 0bama toady, btw.

It is an ongoing research project on various threads on FR. Traditionally the founders used various legal precedent and the common understanding, as expressed in various tomes and dictionaries, is that a Natural Born Citizen is one born on the soil to two parents who are citizens themselves. One citizen doesn’t cut it. Until a few generations ago, a foreign woman marrying a US citizen was accepted as a citizen at marriage; so the citizenship of the husband conferred US citizenship upon her automatically, or naturally. I believe this changed around 1913 or so. Then the mother also had to attain citizenship herself to enable both parents to be citizens at the time of the birth of offspring for them to be NBC.

There are many lengthy legal discussions and I can post which names to do searches on or which threads. One or two people in particular have been doing incredible research with finding books that the founders studied while writing the Constitution, and constitutional professors of that era and shortly after and what has been said and understood to mean NBC.

It never meant just being born in US soil. In fact I’ve learnd that the 14th amendment does not actually grant any kind of US citizenship to those born on US soil from foreigner parents at all, it was meant to grant US citizenship to slaves and their descendents. So all these anchor babies legitmately are not US citizens at all; just a terrible and wrong application of the 14th amendment that should never have occurred.

Freepmail me if you want names etc. I’ll be in and out. Hope this makes sense...


117 posted on 05/17/2010 7:49:11 AM PDT by little jeremiah (http://lifewurx.com - Good herb formulas made by a friend)
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To: lentulusgracchus

Here’s an active research thread, not long:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/backroom/2512143/posts?page=95#95

Research - Vattel & the meaning of the Constitutional term “Natural Born Citizen”
Numerous ^ | 5/12/2010 | many


118 posted on 05/17/2010 7:58:54 AM PDT by little jeremiah (http://lifewurx.com - Good herb formulas made by a friend)
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To: lentulusgracchus

No, you’re not a natural born citizen.Natural born citizenship requires ‘full and complete allegiance at birth’ ( both parents U.S. Citizens).The official definition used by Congress is CHILDREN OF CITIZENS SHALL BE CONSIDERED NATURAL BORN. U.S. Supreme court definition: CHILDREN WHOM PARENTS ARE U.S. CITIZENS ARE NATURAL BORN. IN both cases Parent(s)and Citizens(s) the pural was used implying both parents. As a U.S. citizen(naturilized by code)you have every right that a natural born citizen has except you are ineligible to be President. obama (if he was born in Hawaii) is a naturalized and is ineligible to be President. Even is he is sitting in the White House , he is NOT the legal President of the U.S.


119 posted on 05/17/2010 8:00:38 AM PDT by omegadawn
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To: lentulusgracchus

So what is with these Hawaiian Republicans? Death threats? Blackmail? Their actions are simply impossible to understand.


“No guts, no glory.”
But all the blame can’t just be put on the Hawaii Republicans. The vote on the resolution declaring Hawaii to be the birthplace of Barack Hussein Obama II passed on a vote of 393-0 in the House. It was in a resolution for the 50th Anniversary of Hawaii statehood.


120 posted on 05/17/2010 11:05:34 AM PDT by jamese777
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To: melancholy

Why, James, COMPLICITY means an act associated with the commission of a crime or illegal activity. Republicrats are complicit all right.

At least, if 0b0z0 was born in HI and you say that’s enough to be eligible for POTUS, then what crime was committed by 0b0z0 for which “complicity” was required?

I hope that was your humble opinion, rather than a Freudian slip! LOL!

Now, which is it?


My dictionary, “Merriam-Websters” defines “complicity” as:
“association or participation in or as if in a wrongful act;”
The term need not be only associated with a crime.

The “wrongful act” that Republicans were complicit in was not submitting any written objections to the certification of Barack Hussein Obama’s Electoral College votes at the Joint Session of Congress held to count and certify the election of the President of the United States.
The wrongful act that Barack Obama committed was not posting a copy of his original LONG FORM birth certificate to his “Fight the Smears” website instead of the short form Certification of Live Birth; in my humble opinion, of course! ;-)


121 posted on 05/17/2010 11:17:52 AM PDT by jamese777
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To: jamese777
My dictionary, “Merriam-Websters” defines “complicity” as: “association or participation in or as if in a wrongful act;” The term need not be only associated with a crime.

Let's not split hairs. I never heard of anybody who was "complicit" in a party, a song, a dance, etc. It has to be a wrongful act, whether it's a felony or less, it doesn't really matter.

The wrongful act that Barack Obama committed was not posting a copy of his original LONG FORM birth certificate to his “Fight the Smears” website instead of the short form Certification of Live Birth; in my humble opinion, of course! ;-) I'm glad you came to this conclusion :

"The wrongful act that Barack Obama committed was not posting a copy of his original LONG FORM birth certificate........... So, why are you attacking the FReepers who want somebody to see it and vet it? Shouldn't 0bagger right the "wrongful act" and publish it? You answered that already by saying he should have submitted the LONG FORM BC instead of the COLB.

So, James, why aren't calling for it? You must be a closeted "Birther!" LOL! I would love to see the ignoramus’s terribly juicy education records. There must be negative GPAs, no attendance, no graduation, pot galore and a window on 0b0z0's BRILLIANT IQ!

122 posted on 05/17/2010 12:38:52 PM PDT by melancholy
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To: melancholy

Let’s not split hairs. I never heard of anybody who was “complicit” in a party, a song, a dance, etc. It has to be a wrongful act, whether it’s a felony or less, it doesn’t really matter.

The wrongful act that Barack Obama committed was not posting a copy of his original LONG FORM birth certificate to his “Fight the Smears” website instead of the short form Certification of Live Birth; in my humble opinion, of course! ;-) I’m glad you came to this conclusion :

“The wrongful act that Barack Obama committed was not posting a copy of his original LONG FORM birth certificate........... So, why are you attacking the FReepers who want somebody to see it and vet it? Shouldn’t 0bagger right the “wrongful act” and publish it? You answered that already by saying he should have submitted the LONG FORM BC instead of the COLB.

So, James, why aren’t calling for it? You must be a closeted “Birther!” LOL! I would love to see the ignoramus’s terribly juicy education records. There must be negative GPAs, no attendance, no graduation, pot galore and a window on 0b0z0’s BRILLIANT IQ!


For over a year now I’ve been calling for the Attorney General of Hawaii, Mark L Bennett (a Republican) to simply issue a subpoena for Obama’s original birth documents and conduct a Grand Jury investigation into Obama’s eligibility.

If the Attorney General subpoenas the record, there’s no permission needed from Obama and there’s no worry that the document that is released has been forged or altered by Obama operatives. It is the cleanest way to resolve the issue, in my humble opinion!

I have no idea what Obama’s school records look like but they were obviously good enough to get him into and graduating from Harvard Law School.
Obama is obviously smart enough to not allow himself to be “swiftboated” like John Kerry was. To paraphrase: “Swiftboat us once, shame on you, swiftboat us twice, shame on me.”


123 posted on 05/17/2010 4:31:35 PM PDT by jamese777
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To: Admin Moderator; Jim Robinson; jamese777
“Obama is obviously smart enough to not allow himself to be “swiftboated” like John Kerry was. To paraphrase: ‘Swiftboat us once, shame on you, swiftboat us twice, shame on me.’”

FYI jamese777 appears to be making an explicit declaration that the action of the Swiftboat band of brothers against Kerry was shameful. This is the second time he has done this in the past 24-hours and appears to me to be an admission that he/she is a troll, IMHO.

In my recent posting history responding to him/her you can see jamese777 repeatedly putting a dishonest false spin of what he/she has just posted when called on it and re-posting clearly refuted arguments in an apparent attempt to misguide unwary new FReepers and derail effective progress in threads.

124 posted on 05/17/2010 4:52:33 PM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: Seizethecarp

FYI jamese777 appears to be making an explicit declaration that the action of the Swiftboat band of brothers against Kerry was shameful. This is the second time he has done this in the past 24-hours and appears to me to be an admission that he/she is a troll, IMHO.

In my recent posting history responding to him/her you can see jamese777 repeatedly putting a dishonest false spin of what he/she has just posted when called on it and re-posting clearly refuted arguments in an apparent attempt to misguide unwary new FReepers and derail effective progress in threads.


There was nothing the least bit “shameful” about the Swiftboaters’ effective and powerful political strategy that yielded excellent results. My point is that precisely because of that political strategy’s effectiveness, Barack Obama has been determined to not have the same thing happen to him; hence, NO potentially embarrassing personal disclosures.

Unlike Seizethecrap, I have enough respect for the intelligence and knowledge of the issues of people posting on this site to decide for themselves what the facts are.
I don’t think that any new or old FReepers need to be coddled in forming their own independent judgements of these issues.

Its rather unfortunate that Seizethecrap needs to try to defame and needs to try (unsuccessfully) to insult on a fourth grade playground level in order to bolster weak arguments.


125 posted on 05/17/2010 5:40:12 PM PDT by jamese777
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To: Admin Moderator; Jim Robinson; jamese777; BP2; Red Steel; El Gato; mojitojoe; rxsid; LucyT; ...
First jamese777 said:

“Obama is obviously smart enough to not allow himself to be “swiftboated” like John Kerry was. To paraphrase: ‘Swiftboat us once, shame on you, swiftboat us twice, shame on me.’”

Now jamese777 says:

“There was nothing the least bit “shameful” about the Swiftboaters’ effective and powerful political strategy that yielded excellent results. My point is that precisely because of that political strategy’s effectiveness, Barack Obama has been determined to not have the same thing happen to him; hence, NO potentially embarrassing personal disclosures.”

Siezethecarp said:

“In my recent posting history responding to him/her you can see jamese777 repeatedly putting a dishonest false spin of what he/she has just posted when called on it and re-posting clearly refuted arguments in an apparent attempt to misguide unwary new FReepers and derail effective progress in threads.”

I (Siezethecarp) rest my case!

126 posted on 05/17/2010 6:55:36 PM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: Seizethecarp
I (Siezethecarp) rest my case!

Thank God. Now quit pinging us.

127 posted on 05/17/2010 7:07:13 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: Seizethecarp

0bots are spesshul here.


128 posted on 05/17/2010 7:10:47 PM PDT by little jeremiah (http://lifewurx.com - Good herb formulas made by a friend)
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To: Seizethecarp
“In my recent posting history responding to him/her you can see jamese777 repeatedly putting a dishonest false spin of what he/she has just posted when called on it and re-posting clearly refuted arguments in an apparent attempt to misguide unwary new FReepers and derail effective progress in threads.”

Yes, and most of us on these eligibility threads see it. Jameses777 is an admitted paid Obot who has to argue from a position of weakness. If you are a salaried paid Obot, lying is something they have to do all the time without remorse. Dishonesty is their hallmark.

129 posted on 05/17/2010 7:16:43 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel; Seizethecarp

I just posted this a while ago on another thread with other 0bots doing their thang:


The anti-birthers keep saying crap and then get it handed back to them again and again like a pie in the face.

And like a windup toy bumping into a wall, they do it over and over and over again.


Excellent thread, for anyone who wasts a serious education in the ins and outs of Natural Born Citizen:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2513818/posts?page=524#524


130 posted on 05/17/2010 7:44:14 PM PDT by little jeremiah (http://lifewurx.com - Good herb formulas made by a friend)
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To: Uncle Chip

ping...


131 posted on 05/17/2010 7:49:44 PM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: Seizethecarp

His posts are bought and paid for by the Obot campaign. IMO whatever they are paying him, it’s too much.


132 posted on 05/18/2010 6:38:07 AM PDT by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: jamese777
I have no idea what Obama’s school records look like but they were obviously good enough to get him into and graduating from Harvard Law School.

Obama is obviously smart enough to not allow himself to be “swiftboated” like John Kerry was.

Obviously, you don't hide something unless there is something to hide! Right?

Do you really believe the records are "good enough" or "affirmative action applied enough?" What about Columbia University, which he supposedly attended but no one knew him, save the gay picture with his Packy boyfriend? What if he applied as a foreign student? Aren't you curious to find out?

If this alone is true, his goose is cooked as POTUS! Legally speaking, 0b0z0 wouldn't be an American citizen without going through naturalization and would be an illegal alien by definition! In this case, naturalized or not, makes him ineligible for POTUS.

Last but not least, 0bagger and his communist crew are doing it to us all over again! Zeituni, his illegal alien aunt, was granted asylum after she was turned down 6 years ago. Moreover, to make things worse, an 0bama trademark was applied to boot. The WH claimed they had nothing to do with it, BUT they sealed that record too!

With the lousy communist Media covering up for this Adminstration, we'll never be able to see any of his records unless he's forced through the courts (yeah, right!)

This ghost of a POTUS should be exposed by peeling off his protection layers, one after another, starting with taking away his rubber stamp OutHouse and perhaps the Senate.

133 posted on 05/18/2010 6:47:12 AM PDT by melancholy
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To: jamese777
For over a year now I’ve been calling for the Attorney General of Hawaii, Mark L Bennett (a Republican) to simply issue a subpoena for Obama’s original birth documents and conduct a Grand Jury investigation into Obama’s eligibility.

Oh please!!!

This kind of pretense and pandering on your part is so beneath the dignity of even a paid Obot like you. Where is your self-respect as an Obamabot troll???

From your pandering pose here one just might get the impression that Mark Bennet is on the Obot payroll like you. We wouldn't want to leave that impression, would we???

I think you have been spending too much time with the wrong end of Mr Roger's horse.

134 posted on 05/18/2010 9:04:38 AM PDT by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: melancholy

Obviously, you don’t hide something unless there is something to hide! Right?

Do you really believe the records are “good enough” or “affirmative action applied enough?” What about Columbia University, which he supposedly attended but no one knew him, save the gay picture with his Packy boyfriend? What if he applied as a foreign student? Aren’t you curious to find out?

If this alone is true, his goose is cooked as POTUS! Legally speaking, 0b0z0 wouldn’t be an American citizen without going through naturalization and would be an illegal alien by definition! In this case, naturalized or not, makes him ineligible for POTUS.

Last but not least, 0bagger and his communist crew are doing it to us all over again! Zeituni, his illegal alien aunt, was granted asylum after she was turned down 6 years ago. Moreover, to make things worse, an 0bama trademark was applied to boot. The WH claimed they had nothing to do with it, BUT they sealed that record too!

With the lousy communist Media covering up for this Adminstration, we’ll never be able to see any of his records unless he’s forced through the courts (yeah, right!)

This ghost of a POTUS should be exposed by peeling off his protection layers, one after another, starting with taking away his rubber stamp OutHouse and perhaps the Senate.


If a voter doesn’t have enough information about an elected official or a candidate, simply vote against that person.


135 posted on 05/18/2010 9:46:04 AM PDT by jamese777
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To: Seizethecarp

First jamese777 said:
“Obama is obviously smart enough to not allow himself to be “swiftboated” like John Kerry was. To paraphrase: ‘Swiftboat us once, shame on you, swiftboat us twice, shame on me.’”

Now jamese777 says:

“There was nothing the least bit “shameful” about the Swiftboaters’ effective and powerful political strategy that yielded excellent results. My point is that precisely because of that political strategy’s effectiveness, Barack Obama has been determined to not have the same thing happen to him; hence, NO potentially embarrassing personal disclosures.”

Siezethecarp said:

“In my recent posting history responding to him/her you can see jamese777 repeatedly putting a dishonest false spin of what he/she has just posted when called on it and re-posting clearly refuted arguments in an apparent attempt to misguide unwary new FReepers and derail effective progress in threads.”

I (Siezethecarp) rest my case!


Point A was from Obama’s perspective; an explanantion for HIS motivations for keeping his school records private.
Point B was from the Swiftboaters’-Obama opponents’ perspectives. It is the right and the duty of the loyal opposition to expose whatever they can about a political opponent.
The conservative media should be relentless, every single day for four years to expose whatever information they can uncover that will damage the opposition.

I would think that anyone with even a modicum of political intellect would be able to figure that out.


136 posted on 05/18/2010 10:23:44 AM PDT by jamese777
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To: jamese777
If a voter doesn’t have enough information about an elected official or a candidate, simply vote against that person.

You know better than that, James. Almost 50% of the voters are manipulating or manipulated. 60% of those (30% of the population) who believe that they are "intellectuals" and know better than us are communists to the core. The other 40% (20% of the population) are spoon-fed lies through the WH and their Media lackeys. They are told that 0b0z0 is the incarnation of Presidents Lincoln, FDR and Kennedy combined. They are told that this anti-American POTUS is more American than all of his "subjects" combined.

Next, 0bagger could be pictured as a recipient of thousands of medals in WW I&II and more heroic than Audy Murphy himself! Some people will believe it and the truth be damned.

You can't throw 0kaka's cheating on the voters. Even if you do, what about now, no recourse to right the wrongs? What kind of shackles we have to endure to keep him in the WH, protected by a communist Doma and a complicit/scared media?

The voters are not the subject of this conversation. Yes, he was elected on bogus basis and with accomplishments of no accomplishments, a Nobel Prize for "future and hopeful" accomplishments from the world's communists to boot!

I feel you're supporting or at least NOT willing to go against the Cheat-in-Chief no matter how obvious the communist and his enablers are shoving lies down our throats. That includes yours as well!

It's not a conversation about the Yankees/Red Sox rivalry. It's not some obscure liberally ideological bill we're discussing; we're talking about the destruction of the USA that needs to be stopped and nullified.

137 posted on 05/18/2010 10:36:45 AM PDT by melancholy
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To: circumbendibus

Did they say why Michelle Obama said her husband was born in Kenya?


138 posted on 05/18/2010 10:41:30 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: melancholy

You know better than that, James. Almost 50% of the voters are manipulating or manipulated. 60% of those (30% of the population) who believe that they are “intellectuals” and know better than us are communists to the core. The other 40% (20% of the population) are spoon-fed lies through the WH and their Media lackeys. They are told that 0b0z0 is the incarnation of Presidents Lincoln, FDR and Kennedy combined. They are told that this anti-American POTUS is more American than all of his “subjects” combined.

Next, 0bagger could be pictured as a recipient of thousands of medals in WW I&II and more heroic than Audy Murphy himself! Some people will believe it and the truth be damned.

You can’t throw 0kaka’s cheating on the voters. Even if you do, what about now, no recourse to right the wrongs? What kind of shackles we have to endure to keep him in the WH, protected by a communist Doma and a complicit/scared media?

The voters are not the subject of this conversation. Yes, he was elected on bogus basis and with accomplishments of no accomplishments, a Nobel Prize for “future and hopeful” accomplishments from the world’s communists to boot!

I feel you’re supporting or at least NOT willing to go against the Cheat-in-Chief no matter how obvious the communist and his enablers are shoving lies down our throats. That includes yours as well!

It’s not a conversation about the Yankees/Red Sox rivalry. It’s not some obscure liberally ideological bill we’re discussing; we’re talking about the destruction of the USA that needs to be stopped and nullified.


To paraphrase Winston Churchill, “Democracy is the worst possible system, except for all the others.”
Voters will vote for the best looking candidate, the prettiest candidate, the youngest candidate, the oldest candidate, the candidate with the nicest name, the home state candidate, the candidate of the same religion, the candidte of the same ethnic group or race regardless of their political positions and that is the voters’ right living in a democratic-republic and there’s really nothing that can be done about that.
Communists still have the right to vote in the US. They usually get about 3,000 votes nationwide.
The next opportunity to stop and nullify the destruction of the US is the 2012 general election.


139 posted on 05/18/2010 2:49:52 PM PDT by jamese777
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To: Uncle Chip

Oh please!!!

This kind of pretense and pandering on your part is so beneath the dignity of even a paid Obot like you. Where is your self-respect as an Obamabot troll???

From your pandering pose here one just might get the impression that Mark Bennet is on the Obot payroll like you. We wouldn’t want to leave that impression, would we???

I think you have been spending too much time with the wrong end of Mr Roger’s horse.


So, I guess the above means that you don’t want a subpoena issued for Obama’s birth records along with a criminal, not a civil investigation?

Would you really rather keep on losing civil lawsuits? The number is now up to 69 civil lawsuits against Obama’s eligibility that have been dismissed or denied on appeal including seven rejections at the US Supreme Court.


140 posted on 05/18/2010 3:08:05 PM PDT by jamese777
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To: jamese777
Communists still have the right to vote in the US. They usually get about 3,000 votes nationwide. The next opportunity to stop and nullify the destruction of the US is the 2012 general election.

Those very brave communists KNOW what they're. It's the other communists, 30%+ of the population, who think they're American intellectuals and refuse to admit that they are destroying the country.

Wrong! The next opportunity to stop and nullify the destruction of the US is the 2010 general election! We can't allow two more years of destruction to continue. Only communist 0ba-mites are hoping to continue devouring our Republic until 2012.

If we take the house, defunding or shooting down 0bagger's agenda, passed or not, should start in earnest. The Senate can go along or need not apply, period.

It shouldn't be required go to the racist, communist White or Black Outhouse; however it's defined nowadays, for the ceremonial hoofing called signing!

Oops! I must be a racist!

141 posted on 05/18/2010 3:31:51 PM PDT by melancholy
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To: jamese777
I’ve been calling for the Attorney General of Hawaii, Mark L Bennett (a Republican) to simply issue a subpoena for Obama’s original birth documents and conduct a Grand Jury investigation into Obama’s eligibility.

Were you on paid company time when you made the above post???

142 posted on 05/18/2010 3:55:17 PM PDT by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: Uncle Chip

Were you on paid company time when you made the above post???


Yawn.


143 posted on 05/18/2010 8:52:05 PM PDT by jamese777
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To: jamese777

I thought so —


144 posted on 05/19/2010 4:50:15 AM PDT by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: bgill
The GOP is more guilty than the RATs in this disaster.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

What sticks in my gut is the **conservative** media.

Rush writes two weeks ago about his profound respect for the Constitution ( except for that teeny weeny little clause about being natural born!) Rush LIED to a caller and told him he didn't know who Berg was. Beck literally cries over the Constitution. OReilly has the audacity to wave a computer print out of a Fact Check COLB at his audience. Coulter calls us “cranks” and uses the KKK to make her point. Other conservative yappers **yell** at their callers if they mention Obama’s eligibility.

Three things are going on here:

1) They are STUPID
2) They are PHONIES.
3) They are COWARDS!

Since it isn't #1 then it has to be #2 and #3.

145 posted on 05/19/2010 5:15:45 AM PDT by wintertime
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To: circumbendibus

The 13 inch high stack of requests is a blatant lie but let’s play along. If the requests are that tall, then there is a problem and it’s not with the vexatious requesters. The problem is that each and every one of those requesters have questions that the usurper has yet to answer. Hussein is wasting Hawaii’s time, not the US taxpayers.

FREE THE LONG FORM!


146 posted on 05/19/2010 6:08:33 AM PDT by bgill (how could a young man born here in Kenya, who is not even a native American, become the POTUS)
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To: MissTickly
I think this author said something like “thirteen inches of UIPA requests in a month.” I guess the usual “50 emails a month” was sounding too pathetic to warrant creating new legislation?

Funny how that 50 emails (which was an exaggeration) has grown to 13 inches high in such a short time. Give it six more months and they'll have mailmen bringing in 3 bags of requests every day and the massive volume of emails will have crashed their entire system.

147 posted on 05/19/2010 6:27:24 AM PDT by bgill (how could a young man born here in Kenya, who is not even a native American, become the POTUS)
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To: Danae

Ping!

Just thought you might want to make an 0bot put his money where his mouth is. Heck, challenge him to triple his bet. Check out #98.


148 posted on 05/19/2010 7:06:25 AM PDT by bgill (how could a young man born here in Kenya, who is not even a native American, become the POTUS)
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To: jamese777

Sorry dear. This is a bet you will lose.

I will be responsible for it, the order for my long form is in the mail, following instructions I was given by the Hawaii DOH.


149 posted on 05/19/2010 7:24:22 AM PDT by Danae (Don't like the Constitution, try living in a country with out one.)
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To: Danae

Sorry dear. This is a bet you will lose.

I will be responsible for it, the order for my long form is in the mail, following instructions I was given by the Hawaii DOH.


Wow, I’m surprised; congratulations!
I’ll look forward to you receiving it and then to your posting of an image of it. Make sure that you block out identifying information except for the date of issuance. I wouldn’t want to be partially responsible for any identity theft.
When you post the image, I’ll be glad to send that $200 donation to FreeRepublic.


150 posted on 05/19/2010 7:35:35 AM PDT by jamese777
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