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Itís all a conspiracy ("Birther" Hitpiece by Leftist Rag)
Las Vegas Sun ^ | 05/15/10 | Editorial Staff

Posted on 05/15/2010 3:23:59 PM PDT by circumbendibus

Hawaii Gov. Linda Lingle, a Republican, signed legislation Wednesday that will allow state officials to ignore repeated requests for President Barack Obama’s birth certificate. Why? The state has been overwhelmed with requests for the document — the stack of queries through March measures 13 inches high — and the demand is burning up staff time.

It is amazing that more than a year after the president took office, the “birthers” are still alive and kicking, trying to prove that Obama wasn’t born in the United States and is thus ineligible to be president. Nevermind the proof that he was born in Hawaii, like his Hawaiian birth certificate. Birthers say it’s not the “legitimate” birth certificate, even though Hawaiian officials, including the Republican governor, say it is. The birthers also dismiss the fact that two Honolulu newspapers printed birth announcements shortly after he was born. Anyone, after all, could have submitted those announcements.

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KEYWORDS: article2section1; birthcertificate; certifigate; demofvipers; eligibility; fraud; hawaii; honolulu; ineligible; lindalingle; lingle; michelleisabirther; naturalborncitizen; obama; obamaisabirther; usurper
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To: jamese777

I believe your reading comprehension needs a bit of work as well. If you viewed the image I posted, you would see that it was not issued in 1961. It was a reprint from (presumably) microfiche in 1966. One might expect a recently issued copy to look identical, as it would be prepared from the same microfiche.

I too had to send away for a certified copy of my birth certificate twenty years ago. The State of Maryland sent me a photocopy of the original long-form certificate with an embossed seal. I have it in an envelope here somewhere.

Maybe Obama was born in Hawaii and maybe he wasn’t. I used to think he was born in Hawaii—now, after months of stonewalling by Obama’s attorneys, I’m not so sure. Now I want to know what Obama is hiding! At a minimum, Obama should be subjected to the same standard of proof applied to McCain during the Senate’s investigation of his eligibility.

If you are unwilling to apply the same standard of proof to Obama, then I respectfully submit that you are not an impartial observer to this slowly unfolding drama.


101 posted on 05/16/2010 1:53:46 PM PDT by dinodino
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To: jamese777
You would think that would have happened by now.

If it were a Republican President, the communists in the WH and the Media would have thrown him out of office in shackles inside a year.

OTOH, a combination of vicious Communists in power, aka the Chicago mob and balless Republicans who should confront them but wouldn't, is the reason why it ain’t happening.

102 posted on 05/16/2010 2:44:57 PM PDT by melancholy
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To: melancholy

If it were a Republican President, the communists in the WH and the Media would have thrown him out of office in shackles inside a year.

OTOH, a combination of vicious Communists in power, aka the Chicago mob and balless Republicans who should confront them but wouldn’t, is the reason why it ain’t happening.


Well, Dick Cheney didn’t even bother to ASK if there were any written objections to certifying Obama’s Electoral College votes, so perhaps you’re right.


103 posted on 05/16/2010 3:25:25 PM PDT by jamese777
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To: dinodino

I believe your reading comprehension needs a bit of work as well. If you viewed the image I posted, you would see that it was not issued in 1961. It was a reprint from (presumably) microfiche in 1966. One might expect a recently issued copy to look identical, as it would be prepared from the same microfiche.

I too had to send away for a certified copy of my birth certificate twenty years ago. The State of Maryland sent me a photocopy of the original long-form certificate with an embossed seal. I have it in an envelope here somewhere.

Maybe Obama was born in Hawaii and maybe he wasn’t. I used to think he was born in Hawaii—now, after months of stonewalling by Obama’s attorneys, I’m not so sure. Now I want to know what Obama is hiding! At a minimum, Obama should be subjected to the same standard of proof applied to McCain during the Senate’s investigation of his eligibility.

If you are unwilling to apply the same standard of proof to Obama, then I respectfully submit that you are not an impartial observer to this slowly unfolding drama.


A birth certificate issued in 1966 is still irrelevant to what was being discussed on this thread which is a RECENTLY issued official copy of a long form.

The standard of proof that seems reasonable to me is the standard set by the Department of Homeland Security (and when this standard applied to Obama and McCain, it was the Bush administration’s Department of Homeland Security).
That standard is as follows:
The Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act of 2004, Section 7211, mandated that minimum standards be set for birth certificates acceptable for federal purposes. The Department of Health and Human Services (of which the National Center for Health Statistics is a part) was tasked with issuing the standard. The statute defined a “birth certificate” as follows:

(a) DEFINITION- In this section, the term `birth certificate’ means a certificate of birth–
(1) for an individual (regardless of where born)–
(A) who is a citizen or national of the United States at birth; and
(B) whose birth is registered in the United States; and
(2) that–
(A) is issued by a Federal, State, or local government agency or authorized custodian of record and produced from birth records maintained by such agency or custodian of record; or
(B) is an authenticated copy, issued by a Federal, State, or local government agency or authorized custodian of record, of an original certificate of birth issued by such agency or custodian of record.
The Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act of 2004 specifically mandates three categories of minimum standards for vital registration, including standards on (1) the certification of birth certificates and the use of safety paper, (2) proof and verification of identity as a condition of issuance of a birth certificate, and (3) processing of birth certificate applications to prevent fraud.”

If a birth certificate meets the standards listed above, it should be good enough to qualify the person named as being eligible for the presidency. A birth certificate contains two pieces of information that are relevant to qualifying as natural born under Article 2, Section 1 of the Constitution: place of birth and date of birth.


104 posted on 05/16/2010 3:51:04 PM PDT by jamese777
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To: rolling_stone

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105 posted on 05/16/2010 3:52:06 PM PDT by jamese777
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To: jamese777
Well, Dick Cheney didn’t even bother to ASK if there were any written objections to certifying Obama’s Electoral College votes, so perhaps you’re right.

Dick Cheney can't be blamed for everything as in the proverbial "it's Bush's fault." Strange, you're not blaming anybody else.

What about the chief rats, Pelosi and Reid PLUS the DNC big wigs? We must not forget the illegal monies and bribes to keep the cover up in force. Soros anybody??

Anybody who knew that 0bagger was not eligible for POTUS and kept quiet or helped in the cover up must serve time and should be financially wiped out.

This wouldn't pay a drop of the deficit spending flood, but a country of laws should act to show that crime doesn't pay.

106 posted on 05/16/2010 4:05:15 PM PDT by melancholy
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To: melancholy

Dick Cheney can’t be blamed for everything as in the proverbial “it’s Bush’s fault.” Strange, you’re not blaming anybody else.

What about the chief rats, Pelosi and Reid PLUS the DNC big wigs? We must not forget the illegal monies and bribes to keep the cover up in force. Soros anybody??

Anybody who knew that 0bagger was not eligible for POTUS and kept quiet or helped in the cover up must serve time and should be financially wiped out.

This wouldn’t pay a drop of the deficit spending flood, but a country of laws should act to show that crime doesn’t pay.


I’m only blaming Cheney, in his role as President of the Senate for ONE thing, not everything.
I was giving one example of Republican complicity. In my humble opinion the Cheney failure was particularly eggregious because it would have only taken any TWO members of Congress (any one Senator and any one Representative) to challenge certification of Obama’s electoral votes and an automatic Congressional investigation would have had to occur.
Since the Courts have consistently denied legal standing to individual citizens challenging Obama’s eligibility, that Congressional investigation could have drawn worldwide attention to the issue that the mass media would have been unable to ignore. Plus a congressional investigation COULD have subpoenaed Obama’s birth certificate. But it didn’t happen.


107 posted on 05/16/2010 4:13:32 PM PDT by jamese777
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To: jamese777

Yeah, that’s good but he should have been swift boated before he was elected president because the usurper is trying to destory this country and that is a shame.


108 posted on 05/16/2010 5:17:19 PM PDT by rambo316
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To: jamese777
I was giving one example of Republican complicity.

Why, James, COMPLICITY means an act associated with the commission of a crime or illegal activity. Republicrats are complicit all right.

At least, if 0b0z0 was born in HI and you say that's enough to be eligible for POTUS, then what crime was committed by 0b0z0 for which "complicity" was required?

I hope that was your humble opinion, rather than a Freudian slip! LOL!

Now, which is it?

109 posted on 05/16/2010 5:20:34 PM PDT by melancholy
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To: jamese777

The standard of proof which seems reasonable to you is not the one which applied to McCain’s eligibility hearing. McCain provided his long-form certificate to the Senate. There is no legitimate reason Obama should not do the same.

I wish I could see your IP address. You’re probably posting from inside the White House...Rahm, is that you?


110 posted on 05/16/2010 6:24:23 PM PDT by dinodino
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To: dinodino

The standard of proof which seems reasonable to you is not the one which applied to McCain’s eligibility hearing. McCain provided his long-form certificate to the Senate. There is no legitimate reason Obama should not do the same.

I wish I could see your IP address. You’re probably posting from inside the White House...Rahm, is that you?


It is much easier to forge and/or create an “original” long form birth certificate that is not printed on counterfeit proof “safety” paper than it is to forge or create a modern birth document that is printed on safety paper.

Would you trust a document provided by Barack Obama or released under his authority to be genuine?

“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago.”—July 27, 2009

I live in San Diego, California and I post from here. There are really good medications for paranoia these days. I suggest you look into it.


111 posted on 05/16/2010 8:13:52 PM PDT by jamese777
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To: circumbendibus

Even John Avlon at The Daily Beast knows where this started.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-02-08/the-secret-history-of-the-birthers/?cid=tag:all1

I was here at FR watching Hillary’s PUMAs ask frantically for help. I was the one who found the Obama-in-Kenyon-Muslim-garb photo on an obscure African news website and posted it, only to be asked by a desperate PUMA where I found it. I gave her the link.


112 posted on 05/16/2010 9:35:58 PM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade, There are only two sides. Pick one.)
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To: omegadawn; little jeremiah
You only need one parent a U.S. citizen and birth on American soil to be a Native born (naturalized) citizen. Natural born citizenship ( Article 2) requires that both parents be U.S. citizens.

That is the first I've heard of such a distinction. Your basis for arguing this distinction? Link?

My own mother was a U.K. subject (still) when I was born in Indiana. You telling me I am not a "natural-born citizen"?

113 posted on 05/17/2010 4:50:57 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: sageb1

Excellent article written in Feb of this year!

Party Unity My Ass, PUMA, is a new one one me. Good. I hope they’re still active.

Good for you for posting the pix of 0 in Muslim garb. I am not a “wing nut”. I am interested in the truth. ;)


114 posted on 05/17/2010 4:54:06 AM PDT by circumbendibus (Obama is an unconstitutional illegal putative president. Quo Warranto in 2010)
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To: Philo1962
That's going to take a professor of constitutional law to answer.

There is certainly one supposed 'professor of constitutional law' who could provide some paperwork for evidence, but beyond the Community Organizer in Chief's, professors' opinions usually don't carry much legal weight.

I know there have been quite a few attempts made to have a judge rule on obama's eligibility, but don't know what approaches have been tried other than gross legal incompetence. Orly has mastered it and she has enjoyed the predictable success.

I would welcome any and all states requiring candidates provide their long form BCs. One of the few great things about obama so far is state's rights battles against the Fed.

115 posted on 05/17/2010 5:03:32 AM PDT by GBA (Resistance is Constitutional!)
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To: jamese777
Obama’s original birth documents could be subpoenaed by the state Attorney General (who is also a Republican) but he seems to be on Obama’s side in all this. His name is Mark L. Bennett.

So what is with these Hawaiian Republicans? Death threats? Blackmail? Their actions are simply impossible to understand.

116 posted on 05/17/2010 6:26:36 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: lentulusgracchus

James is an 0bama toady, btw.

It is an ongoing research project on various threads on FR. Traditionally the founders used various legal precedent and the common understanding, as expressed in various tomes and dictionaries, is that a Natural Born Citizen is one born on the soil to two parents who are citizens themselves. One citizen doesn’t cut it. Until a few generations ago, a foreign woman marrying a US citizen was accepted as a citizen at marriage; so the citizenship of the husband conferred US citizenship upon her automatically, or naturally. I believe this changed around 1913 or so. Then the mother also had to attain citizenship herself to enable both parents to be citizens at the time of the birth of offspring for them to be NBC.

There are many lengthy legal discussions and I can post which names to do searches on or which threads. One or two people in particular have been doing incredible research with finding books that the founders studied while writing the Constitution, and constitutional professors of that era and shortly after and what has been said and understood to mean NBC.

It never meant just being born in US soil. In fact I’ve learnd that the 14th amendment does not actually grant any kind of US citizenship to those born on US soil from foreigner parents at all, it was meant to grant US citizenship to slaves and their descendents. So all these anchor babies legitmately are not US citizens at all; just a terrible and wrong application of the 14th amendment that should never have occurred.

Freepmail me if you want names etc. I’ll be in and out. Hope this makes sense...


117 posted on 05/17/2010 7:49:11 AM PDT by little jeremiah (http://lifewurx.com - Good herb formulas made by a friend)
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To: lentulusgracchus

Here’s an active research thread, not long:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/backroom/2512143/posts?page=95#95

Research - Vattel & the meaning of the Constitutional term “Natural Born Citizen”
Numerous ^ | 5/12/2010 | many


118 posted on 05/17/2010 7:58:54 AM PDT by little jeremiah (http://lifewurx.com - Good herb formulas made by a friend)
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To: lentulusgracchus

No, you’re not a natural born citizen.Natural born citizenship requires ‘full and complete allegiance at birth’ ( both parents U.S. Citizens).The official definition used by Congress is CHILDREN OF CITIZENS SHALL BE CONSIDERED NATURAL BORN. U.S. Supreme court definition: CHILDREN WHOM PARENTS ARE U.S. CITIZENS ARE NATURAL BORN. IN both cases Parent(s)and Citizens(s) the pural was used implying both parents. As a U.S. citizen(naturilized by code)you have every right that a natural born citizen has except you are ineligible to be President. obama (if he was born in Hawaii) is a naturalized and is ineligible to be President. Even is he is sitting in the White House , he is NOT the legal President of the U.S.


119 posted on 05/17/2010 8:00:38 AM PDT by omegadawn
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To: lentulusgracchus

So what is with these Hawaiian Republicans? Death threats? Blackmail? Their actions are simply impossible to understand.


“No guts, no glory.”
But all the blame can’t just be put on the Hawaii Republicans. The vote on the resolution declaring Hawaii to be the birthplace of Barack Hussein Obama II passed on a vote of 393-0 in the House. It was in a resolution for the 50th Anniversary of Hawaii statehood.


120 posted on 05/17/2010 11:05:34 AM PDT by jamese777
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