Bill would allow California state colleges to consider race

The Associated Press ^ | June 3, 2010 | Associated Press

[csmusaret]

Considering we already have an affirmative action POTUS, what could possibly be wrong with this?

[Cheetahcat]

Just put up a sign Whites not allowed! that is what this trash is about!

[sickoflibs]

RE :”The California Assembly has approved a bill that would allow the state's public universities to consider race, gender and other demographic characteristics when they admit students. The bill, AB2047, passed on a 44-24 vote Thursday and now moves to the Senate.”

This is the world turned upside down. Rand Paul was crucified for saying that the federal government should NOT (theoretically) have the power to tell privately owned businesses who they must serve. This a constitutionally based argument that is not politically popular.

But here we have CA state government claiming the right to discriminate who they serve based on race using tax dollars. Upside down world.

[highlander_UW]

Just more Democrats trying to legislate racism into acceptance. Anytime you benefit one group, you deny another group...and when it’s done on the basis of race, no matter what group you favor, you are partaking in racism against another.

[businessprofessor]

“They already consider race. It’s called “Affirmative Action”, Quotas and other “level-the-playing-field” tactics.”

In California, propostion 209 prevents formal consideration of race, ethnicity, and sex. However, university administrators are very skilled at eluding the requirements. They have an elaborate scheme to achieve the same outcome although their schemes sometimes are not very precise.

[DoughtyOne]

I agree.

[rabscuttle385]

They already consider race. It’s called “Affirmative Action”, Quotas and other “level-the-playing-field” tactics.

And the irony here is that such practices discriminate heavily against a REAL minority, i.e., Americans of Asian heritage (e.g., Korean, Japanese, Chinese, Vietnamese, Filipino, etc.) while even failing to recognize that multi-racial Americans are an even smaller minority.

But then I have to stop and realize that "minority" isn't used in the sense of what it actually means; it's just used as politically correct code for certain ethnic groups that the politicians in various state capitols and in Washington feel the need to pander to. Then I remember that the "progressives" really aren't about achieving equality under law unless you consider that some Americans are more equal than others (or in some cases, some foreign nationals are more equal than American citizens and lawful residents).

Either way, I have no particular desire to attend a California university for graduate work, knowing that they will openly discriminate against me in both admissions and tuition (the latter in favor of unlawfully present foreign nationals). Plus, why would I want to leave Virginia?

[Myrddin]

The leftists in Sacramento think they know better than the peons who sent them to the legislature. They are driven by a racist agenda instead of understanding the history of the stupid concept of "affirmative action". Let me briefly recount the experience of the U.C. system at the time I was attending from 1974 to 1976. The U.C. system reserved 5% of the admissions for "affirmative action" a.k.a. race-based admission. That group of affirmative action admissions dropped out at a rate of 85% before graduation. Most were gone in the first year. Less than 2% ever went on to post graduate education. To carve out this 5% "set aside", there were many well qualified students turned away. The result is that the university and taxpayer resources were wasted on unqualified student and qualified students were turned away. Stupid policy.

[kabar]

By 2023 half of the children 18 and under in this country will be minorities as defined by the USG.

[rolling_stone]

Uh haven’t we just seen the bad effects of affirmative action education and job help in our incompetent President? Do we want more of the same or do we want people to rise and fall on their own rightfully earned achievements?

[stephenjohnbanker]

Prop 209 just slowed them down. You can’t stop these university rat ba$tards.

[businessprofessor]

“To carve out this 5% “set aside”, there were many well qualified students turned away. The result is that the university and taxpayer resources were wasted on unqualified student and qualified students were turned away. Stupid policy.”

Your observation has been verified by a number of studies. However, the result of the studies has not had the impact that you or I would want. The result has been a vast expansion of funding for racial preferences. In Colorado, the Independence Institute estimated that the University of Colorado Boulder spends $20 million per year on diversity programs (basically racial preferences). This data was carefully hidden in a large number of budgets. Even in periods of difficult economic times, these budgets are immune from reductions. Instead of fixing the problem at its source (poor schools and weak family support for academic excellence), universities have erected huge bureaucracies to provide additional services for protected groups. These services segregate these students and promote grievances, making these students feel victims of society.

I could never be a university administrator due to my aversion for racial preferences and university policies. No one can become a university administrator without worshipping at the altar of racial preferences.

[Pecos]

Does this mean that when I review resumes I get to completely discount any college degree “earned” in a California school? If not done explicitly, it WILL be done as a matter of practice.

[whence911]

..............and the problem is not with college admissions. It is with substandard student performance and schools in the high school and elementary school level. If this idiot wanted to do something about the education gap he would start there. When hispanics perform better in the lower grades, the college admissions will come.

Also, if we regress back to affirmative action in Cal, Asians will have fewer adnmissions to the UC sustem since they are over represented.

[kabar]

But then I have to stop and realize that "minority" isn't used in the sense of what it actually means; it's just used as politically correct code for certain ethnic groups that the politicians in various state capitols and in Washington feel the need to pander to.

Actually, it goes far beyond "politically correct code." The definitions have real world consequences in terms of admission to college, minority business set asides, etc.

From the Virginia Department of Minority Business Enterprise:

What is the definition of Minority Individual?

"Minority individual" means an individual who is a citizen of the United States or a non-citizen who is in full compliance with United States immigration law and who satisfies one or more of the following definitions:

1. "African American" means a person having origins in any of the original peoples of Africa and who is regarded as such by the community of which this person claims to be a part.

2. "Asian American" means a person having origins in any of the original peoples of the Far East, Southeast Asia, the Indian subcontinent, or the Pacific Islands, including but not limited to Japan, China, Vietnam, Samoa, Laos, Cambodia, Taiwan, Northern Mariana, the Philippines, a U.S. territory of the Pacific, India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, or Sri Lanka and who is regarded as such by the community of which this person claims to be a part.

3. "Hispanic American" means a person having origins in any of the Spanish-speaking peoples of Mexico, South or Central America, or the Caribbean Islands or other Spanish or Portuguese cultures and who is regarded as such by the community of which this person claims to be a part.

4. "Native American" means a person having origins in any of the original peoples of North America and who is regarded as such by the community of which this person claims to be a part or who is recognized by a tribal organization.

[Tzimisce]

It’s not “Jim Crow”, it’s “Affirmative Action”. :)

[AEMILIUS PAULUS]

The Third World takeover continues. American whites will be discriminated against and probably insulted by the academics. The Third Worlders cannot compete intellectually hence they “rule out” the whites. Mark your papers with the little happy face and keep smiling.

[CitizenUSA]

Yeah, ‘cause California colleges aren’t diverse enough. Professors notwithstanding, there’s a shortage of idiots. They better do something quick to improve the idiot-to-scholar ratio...in favor of the idiots!

[Pietro]

"But opponents say the measure violates Proposition 209"

Once again government operates in opposition to the will of the people.

[Myrddin]

I could never be a university administrator due to my aversion for racial preferences and university policies. No one can become a university administrator without worshipping at the altar of racial preferences.

I taught a microprocessor class for 3 1/2 years at Southwestern College (1980-1983). I had considered doing that again after "retiring" from my 60 to 70 hour a week work as a software/hardware engineer. It is certain a "slower pace" compared to the commercial world. Returning to a world that worships leftist principles gives me pause to consider a different direction.