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Joran: I brutally murdered Peru gal
NY Post ^ | June 8, 2010 | TIM PERONE

Posted on 06/08/2010 2:41:24 AM PDT by Scanian

Joran van der Sloot, the prime suspect in the 2005 disappearance of American teen Natalee Holloway, reportedly confessed to murdering Stephany Flores in Peru after she grabbed his laptop and learned about his connection to Holloway’s disappearance.

“I did not want to do it. The girl intruded into my private life," van der Sloot told Peruvian authorities, according to La Republica newspaper.

He said he became enraged after Flores snatched his computer, snapping her neck and striking her, the paper said.

"She had no right," he reportedly griped to investigators. "She was scared, we argued, she tried to escape and I grabbed her by the neck and hit her."

The Dutch playboy was charged last week in the brutal slaying of Flores, 21 -- who was murdered five years to the day after Holloway, 18, vanished while on a class trip to Aruba.

Fox News, citing Peruvian media, reported that van der Sloot spilled the beans in order to get a reduced jail sentence.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: chile; flores; holloway; vandersloot
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1 posted on 06/08/2010 2:41:24 AM PDT by Scanian
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To: Scanian

I guess they waterboarded him. Wonderful.


2 posted on 06/08/2010 2:48:04 AM PDT by FES0844
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To: Scanian
Preliminary reports are often incorrect however I seem to recall that in several versions of the original report it was noted that the girl had been stabbed multiple times.

Maybe I'm mistaken but if not something is fishy.

prisoner6

3 posted on 06/08/2010 2:49:58 AM PDT by prisoner6 (Right Wing Nuts are holding The Constitution together as the Loose Screws of The Left come undone!)
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To: Scanian

He didn’t know there were so many security cameras in the hotel. That’s where he slipped up...plain and simple.


4 posted on 06/08/2010 2:50:26 AM PDT by upstatenyrepublican
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To: Scanian

van der Sloot spilled the beans in order to get a reduced jail sentence.

Sounds to me like the only reduced sentence he will survive is no sentence.


5 posted on 06/08/2010 2:51:02 AM PDT by wita
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To: Scanian

Good. After he gets done doing 20 years in Peru, they can send him to Alabama, and he can do another ten years there for extortion. If this guy doesn’t see the light of day until his late 50s, that’s as good as we’re gonnna do.


6 posted on 06/08/2010 2:53:07 AM PDT by Haiku Guy (Gov. Chris Christie (R) won the NJ-6 held by Rep. Frank Pallone (D) by a 15.5% margin!)
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To: upstatenyrepublican

This guy is one of the many reasons women especially should be able to carry a concealed DA revolver.


7 posted on 06/08/2010 2:53:21 AM PDT by imjimbo (The constitution SHOULD be our "gun permit")
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To: prisoner6

Later reports denied those “preliminary” reports. There was only a small amount of blood — coming out of her ear and her nose from blunt force trauma. She died of a broken neck.


8 posted on 06/08/2010 2:54:13 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: afraidfortherepublic
Ahhhh...thanks!

prisoner6

9 posted on 06/08/2010 2:56:06 AM PDT by prisoner6 (Right Wing Nuts are holding The Constitution together as the Loose Screws of The Left come undone!)
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To: upstatenyrepublican
He didn’t know there were so many security cameras in the hotel. That’s where he slipped up...plain and simple

well, yes, and the minor detail of leaving her bloody corpse in the room he was registered

10 posted on 06/08/2010 2:58:23 AM PDT by DollyCali (Don't tell God how big your storm is...Tell the storm how big your God is!)
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To: Scanian

Sooooooooo ... WHAT is on the laptop regarding Natalee Holloway?


11 posted on 06/08/2010 3:07:20 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: F15Eagle

The laptop story is a farce. His intention was to kill her all along. He get’s off on the fear of his victims. I doubt she ever touched his laptop.

This guy is a psychopathic killer, who needs to feel the fear he placed in his victims and then be executed.


12 posted on 06/08/2010 3:21:29 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: Venturer

Agreed, what are the odds, that he would kill this woman on the anniversary of Holloways death?


13 posted on 06/08/2010 3:23:09 AM PDT by mware (F-R-E-E, that spells free, Free Republic.com baby.)
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To: Venturer

The timing is very weird - he may be ready to give up some info

We’ll see, I guess


14 posted on 06/08/2010 3:25:14 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: F15Eagle

I’m with YOU on that question. This guy is just enough of an egomaniac to have taken some cellphone pics of the Natalee Holloway “scene” (for lack of a better term) and saved them.

I don’t think anyone has to worry about this boy lasting 20 years in a Peruvian prison, however.

He’ll be gone by Christmas, if not sooner.


15 posted on 06/08/2010 3:45:23 AM PDT by Daisyjane69 (Michael Reagan: "Welcome back, Dad, even if you're wearing a dress and bearing children this time)
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To: upstatenyrepublican

“He didn’t know there were so many security cameras in the hotel. That’s where he slipped up...plain and simple.”

No upstatenyrepublican, he “slipped up” when he murdered that girl.


16 posted on 06/08/2010 3:46:00 AM PDT by Wpin ("I Have Sworn Upon the Altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny...")
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To: Daisyjane69

It would not surprise me if the Kalpoe brothers know more, too.


17 posted on 06/08/2010 3:48:22 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: Venturer

Agree.

When he realized he was toast - he claims *self defense*.

He lured her to his room under some pretense but he intended to kill her and did.

Predator psychopathic killer - it’s not about romancing a woman for normal sex - it’s about the lust to control & kill.

There will be more victims discovered after they have traced his travels over several continents and multiple passports.


18 posted on 06/08/2010 3:51:58 AM PDT by sodpoodle (Despair - Man's surrender. Laughter - God's redemption)
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To: F15Eagle

Agreed.

But I imagine he was trying to frame them.

On a personal note here....as the mother of an only child, a son, how is it possible of doing a more rotten job of raising a kid than his mother did? I mean, seriously. My son is about the same age as this turkey and he’d never hurt a fly. It was hard enough to get him to help me set a mouse trap in the winter to catch a field mouse trying to cop a little heat.

You have to be a world class maternal dunce for this to be your entire contribution to the world, once you’re dead and gone.


19 posted on 06/08/2010 3:55:45 AM PDT by Daisyjane69 (Michael Reagan: "Welcome back, Dad, even if you're wearing a dress and bearing children this time)
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To: Scanian

As if anything coming from this killer can be believed.

We’ll see if Peru does the right thing and locks him up for the maximum time allowed by their laws....or Aruba has a long reach.


20 posted on 06/08/2010 4:07:55 AM PDT by Carley (For those who fought for it, freedom has a flavor the protected will never know.)
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To: Scanian

So how many other girls has this sociopath murdered besides Flores and Holloway?


21 posted on 06/08/2010 4:12:19 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin has crossed the Rubicon!)
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To: Scanian
Fox News, citing Peruvian media, reported that van der Sloot spilled the beans in order to get a reduced jail sentence.

He murdered the daughter of a former presidential candidate. Any 'reduced sentence' he might get is still going to be 15 plus years in some Peruvian hell-hole. He isn't going to survive it.

22 posted on 06/08/2010 4:14:31 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Daisyjane69
"On a personal note here....as the mother of an only child, a son, how is it possible of doing a more rotten job of raising a kid than his mother did?"

As the mother of two sons, I also wonder. However, having seen troubled kids from what seem to be good homes with loving parents, I thank God that our boys are good kids. Despite parents' best efforts, some kids struggle or are born with a predisposition to addiction or violence. That doesn't excuse Joran's parents for covering for him in Aruba. Once his problems grew to affect people outside of the family circle, they had a moral obligation to protect society from his apparent tendencies to violence. If his family members have intact consciences, they have many years of regret and torment ahead of them.

23 posted on 06/08/2010 4:19:58 AM PDT by Think free or die
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To: Think free or die

I bet his mother wishes she had him in an Aruba jail now.

Karma


24 posted on 06/08/2010 4:24:06 AM PDT by FarmerW
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To: Carley

Yeah, Aruba will extradite him and slap his wrist for bad publicity.


25 posted on 06/08/2010 4:24:08 AM PDT by JohnnyP
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To: Think free or die; Daisyjane69

If you live long enough you realize that good parents and good families don’t always guarantee good children. Finding blame in the parents may be satisfying at some level but it is not necessarily honest.


26 posted on 06/08/2010 4:28:31 AM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get down that hill?")
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To: Think free or die

You’re right, of course. We just had a long discussion here last week about Ted Koppel’s son, who just died last week.

Your post and words are wise and important; I hope everyone reads them. While we cannot control the predispositions of addiction or violence, we CAN control how we parents deal with those things.

And enabling them, (or far worse) making excuses for them or covering up for them, seems like parental ass-covering to me, when a bold line in the behavioral sand is called for.

If you’re not willing for your offspring to be so mad at you that they can spit (out of sheer anger), I suggest getting an aquarium and some fish, rather than become a parent. Everyone benefits that way.


27 posted on 06/08/2010 4:28:50 AM PDT by Daisyjane69 (Michael Reagan: "Welcome back, Dad, even if you're wearing a dress and bearing children this time)
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To: Scanian

From day 1 of the Natalie Holloway disappearance, there has been something unreported in this entire affair.

IMHO, it isn’t explicable simply by this kid being a serial killer.

There’s a lot more to this entire affair than what is being presented to the public.


28 posted on 06/08/2010 4:30:17 AM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: wtc911

I agree. See my post following yours.


29 posted on 06/08/2010 4:34:56 AM PDT by Daisyjane69 (Michael Reagan: "Welcome back, Dad, even if you're wearing a dress and bearing children this time)
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To: Daisyjane69

” how is it possible of doing a more rotten job of raising a kid than his mother did?”

Why is it mommy’s fault?

I know a local “good kid” who regularly drinks and drives.
When he isn’t drinking and driving - he’s going 100 mph on his new motorcycle.

Why?
Because his dad is a local cop.

He gets stopped - he gives his name - they send him on his way.

He knows he untouchable - therefore he won’t stop until he eventually hurts somebody.


30 posted on 06/08/2010 4:36:22 AM PDT by Scotswife
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To: Daisyjane69
"If you’re not willing for your offspring to be so mad at you that they can spit (out of sheer anger)"

Better be careful. Wife said couple she knows went through the ringer.
They disciplined their little brat and she told the nurse at school they were beating her
and not feeding her. (she's a fat little butterball)

On the kid's word alone, with NO EVIDENCE, parents were called in.
Social Services got involved, BULLSHIT GALORE.

The system is broken because the left-wing lunatics are running the asylum.

31 posted on 06/08/2010 4:39:20 AM PDT by trickyricky
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To: FES0844
I guess they waterboarded him. Wonderful.

In those countries, they do not use soft methods like waterboarding. They beat the hell out of them and administer electric shocks. They also get them naked and put them in a room with the air conditioner at full blast.

32 posted on 06/08/2010 4:56:26 AM PDT by JimWayne
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To: Scanian

Note to young girls: Being drunk, stupid and promiscuous can get you killed.


33 posted on 06/08/2010 4:56:37 AM PDT by Conan the Conservative (Crush the liberals, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of the hippies.)
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To: Scotswife

The only reason I single out mom in this, is because this guy’s crimes appear to be against females. There is something here not right. This kid is awfully young to harbor this much anger against females. I wish we knew more.

And if I was married to “local cop” dad, I’d have a good set of pruners in my hand while we had a discussion about him and his colleagues enabling his son. That young man is going to kill himself or someone else, or both unless he is met with a dose of punishment. These people are doing him no favors by letting him go.

And btw, he’s not a “good kid” if he regularly drinks and drives. But I suspect you know that already.


34 posted on 06/08/2010 5:04:43 AM PDT by Daisyjane69 (Michael Reagan: "Welcome back, Dad, even if you're wearing a dress and bearing children this time)
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To: trickyricky

I can distinctly imagine such a scenario. Which is why I’m always a bit suspicious of these children’s services types. Trust me, years ago I worked at a state children’s psychiatric hospital...there isn’t much I haven’t seen.

But then, being on FreeRepublic, I’m preaching to the choir.


35 posted on 06/08/2010 5:07:44 AM PDT by Daisyjane69 (Michael Reagan: "Welcome back, Dad, even if you're wearing a dress and bearing children this time)
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To: Daisyjane69

that’s right - “good kid” in the sense that is how he would be described afterwards.

I can hear it now “oh! but he seems like such a good kid”

handsome, likeable, and believe-it-or-not - quite intelligent (book-wise anyway)

I’m sure they think they’re doing him and his dad favors by keeping his record “clean” and name out of the paper.
In reality - arresting him is the biggest favor they could do for him.

As far as Van der Sloot?

You’ve got a kid who has long had a habit of carrying date rape drugs with him.
This was known even before Natalie.
His dad knew - the local cops knew.


36 posted on 06/08/2010 5:17:55 AM PDT by Scotswife
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To: Daisyjane69
"But then, being on FreeRepublic, I’m preaching to the choir."

Keep on preaching, sister.
People such as myself might have anecdotes, but you're an eye-witness.

37 posted on 06/08/2010 5:18:42 AM PDT by trickyricky
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To: Scotswife

Do you think it’s possible that the father knew his kid was toting date rape drugs? I’d never heard that before. Wasn’t his father a judge or magistrate or something? WTF? How stupid is that?

But his mother never knew?

This whole story is getting more strange and more depressing all the time.

Two young women dead...for nothing. meh


38 posted on 06/08/2010 5:21:36 AM PDT by Daisyjane69 (Michael Reagan: "Welcome back, Dad, even if you're wearing a dress and bearing children this time)
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To: Haiku Guy

Good. After he gets done doing 20 years in Peru, they can send him to Alabama, and he can do another ten years there for extortion. If this guy doesn’t see the light of day until his late 50s, that’s as good as we’re gonnna do.


Then he could get back right away to selling girls from Cambodia and Thailand ........ as he was doing before

and bragging about it.


39 posted on 06/08/2010 5:40:51 AM PDT by DontTreadOnMe2009 (So stop treading on me already!)
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To: Daisyjane69

On a personal note here....as the mother of an only child, a son, how is it possible of doing a more rotten job of raising a kid than his mother did? I mean, seriously. My son is about the same age as this turkey and he’d never hurt a fly. It was hard enough to get him to help me set a mouse trap in the winter to catch a field mouse trying to cop a little heat.

Gee, I guess you should read up on Aruba and the wonderful family that he comes from

Try to read between the lines.

For ex, the $50,000 line of casino credit given by mom and dad when sh*thead was 16 or 17 (even tho it is illegal to go into the casino till he’s 18)

Does your son have one of these lines? Mine don’t.

And what is Aruba famous for?

Why would anyone want to live there?

And

Why was Dad cruising for young girls in the same casino on the exact same night as Dumbhead ...

and even spoke to the same girl on camera (Natalie) ???

Wonder what HE said.

I read that the family is a good Catholic family but they sure don’t act like it ...


40 posted on 06/08/2010 5:47:46 AM PDT by DontTreadOnMe2009 (So stop treading on me already!)
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To: Think free or die

If his family members have intact consciences, they have many years of regret and torment ahead of them.

Please remember that dad advised sh*thead Joran “If they can’t find the body then there is no crime”.

Strongly doubt anyone in the family is worried in any way.


41 posted on 06/08/2010 5:49:57 AM PDT by DontTreadOnMe2009 (So stop treading on me already!)
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To: DontTreadOnMe2009

What you posted I’d never heard about the family before. Good grief.

I got a pit in my stomach reading it. Being Catholic myself, makes it even worse.

There have been times in my life, that despite having to apologize for being middle class and raising a son in a town more like Mayberry than Manhattan, that I’ve been relieved.

This is one of those times.


42 posted on 06/08/2010 5:51:48 AM PDT by Daisyjane69 (Michael Reagan: "Welcome back, Dad, even if you're wearing a dress and bearing children this time)
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To: Daisyjane69

Interesting point. I coach 12 year old baseball, and one can clearly identify the kids that are raised in homes where their actions have consequences, and those who get away with everything.

I would guess that Van Der Sloot never faced any consequences for his actions growing up, and now that the parents are not there to stop that from happening, he finally will have to take responsibility.

Parents mean well by not letting their children face unpleasant consequences, but they cause immeasurable damage to their own children, and those around those kids.


43 posted on 06/08/2010 6:03:42 AM PDT by Ironfocus
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To: F15Eagle
Sooooooooo ... WHAT is on the laptop regarding Natalee Holloway?

if she were checking to see who the guy was - all she would've put into the search site would've been his name - and she would've gotten pages and pages of hits re the Halloway case.

But, hey, she asked for it - after all she "intruded" on his personal life. (That shows you how twisted the puke is. He believes he was justified.)

44 posted on 06/08/2010 6:15:06 AM PDT by maine-iac7
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To: maine-iac7

I imagine he was communicating on the extortion and the $15,000 (IIRC) that he had already rec’d — all for the supposed intent of revealing where the body was -— if she saw that, it would have escalated quickly.


45 posted on 06/08/2010 6:16:53 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: Venturer
This guy is a psychopathic killer, who needs to feel the fear he placed in his victims and then be executed

I wonder if they wouldn't be wise to check on unsolved murders that match up in different countries with his travels.

46 posted on 06/08/2010 6:17:00 AM PDT by maine-iac7
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To: mware
And I wondered if this action has occurred each year since he killed Natalie.
47 posted on 06/08/2010 6:24:10 AM PDT by OldEagle
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To: Ironfocus

That too, is interesting.

There was an incident, when my son was in 3rd or 4th grade, in which he was being bullied by another student. The teacher could not know which kid was telling the truth; it was autumn, not late in the school year. Finally, after the holidays, in January, the sister (Catholic school) called me into school for a meeting: me, my son, the principal, and the sister. While I knew my son was telling the truth, you can imagine that I was mortified he would be kicked out or something.

Only the sister spoke, she was spare in her words. She said “I did not know what to make of the allegations, so I did what people need to do in these things. History. I went back and consulted with each and every teacher you and XXX had from the day you began at our school. I reviewed their notes about you, and the notes about how your family has conducted itself, with respect to our school. You have a reputation, young man. (at this point, my son looked over to me and...gulped). For this reason, I have informed XXX and his parents that they are on probation. His conduct is not welcome here, but we are forgiving, and I know you will be as well.”

Sister never threw my kid a bone and told him how good his reputation was.LOL We later learned that XXX had a mom at home who had just gotten a divorce and then learned she had breast cancer. It was very sad. These two boys ended up being friends with each other.

There are two things in my life I will never regret doing. One is insisting on Catholic school for my son (until high school). The other is convincing him as he traversed from middle school to high school, was joining the Marching Band.

I’m amazed at the intuitive insight that teachers have.


48 posted on 06/08/2010 6:33:25 AM PDT by Daisyjane69 (Michael Reagan: "Welcome back, Dad, even if you're wearing a dress and bearing children this time)
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To: Daisyjane69
set a mouse trap in the winter to catch a field mouse trying to cop a little heat.

LOL

Meet "Forrest" the field mouse that loves to 'run.'

Over 5 years ago (they're not supposed to live that long) - one late fall nite, my son - who was sleeping in his bedroom without the heat on - thought he felt something on his leg. he sleepily glanced, didn't see anything, so snoozed off again.

Then he felt something on his chest. Looking down, there was this tiny, half grown field mouse, sitting up, looking at him, shivering to death - begging for help.

My son came out of his room with the mouse cupped in his hands and said: "Now what do I do, ma?"

And so, Forrest got his new home - in a big fish tank - where he has enjoyed his space, his runs, his exercise machine, and free food and beverage for years. He won't eat 'mouse food' from the pet store, but loves greens like dandelion and clover = and in winter, spinach, radish tops, etc. - and pumpkin seeds - especially salted ones!, organic cereals - won't touch the others - nuts, etc..

He drives my cat crazy. She sits beside the glass wall - with an inch between them and will - still - make a lunge and bonk off the glass, while Forrest, who knows she can't reach him, flaunts his safety.


49 posted on 06/08/2010 6:35:52 AM PDT by maine-iac7
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To: Think free or die
When a child is raised never having to take the word "no" for an answer, the result is a child who can't cope when he finally has to take NO for an answer. I suspect it goes beyond the word "spoiled".

Loving parents can still make mistakes.

50 posted on 06/08/2010 6:41:22 AM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife )(Save the Brown Pelican)
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