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Siemens’ High-Speed Rail: These “Cars” Get 700 Miles-Per-Gallon
Investment U ^ | Friday, June 11, 2010 | David Fessler, Energy and Infrastructure Expert

Posted on 06/11/2010 7:43:40 AM PDT by Willie Green

America has a “waiting problem.”

Think about the time you spend waiting in traffic jams… at the doctor/dentist’s office… at restaurants… at the gas station.

And how about the six months of your life spent waiting at traffic lights? Or the five years you’ll spend just waiting in lines at retail stores, the post office, DMV, etc. (Early buyers of Apple’s products likely spend far more.)

And according to Robert Poole, Director of Transportation Policy at the Reason Foundation, the average air traveler now spends two to three hours waiting at the airport. Granted, much of that is due to more rigorous security screening – time that is generally well spent – but air travel delays and traffic jams are only going to get worse, as more people take to the skies and roads.

In short, we wait an average of 45 to 62 minutes every single day. And that’s less time spent with family and friends, or doing other more productive, enjoyable activities.

Other countries have already recognized the problem and have addressed it for years. But the United States has failed miserably. So how can we improve our “waiting efficiency?” There’s a solution…

A Great Idea… Until Henry Ford Drove it Off the Rails

It’s called high-speed passenger rail.

I’ll get to the high-speed part in a moment. First, a quick overview of the U.S. rail service today.

Much of America’s freight still travels by rail. In fact, more than two billion tons plowed across the country in 2007 (the latest data available). It’s the transport mainstay for coal, lumber and other heavy industrial products and machinery.

Passenger rail service in the United States dates all the way back to 1830 when the “Best Friend of Charleston” – the first steam-powered train – traveled six miles with 141 passengers on board.

Boston, Baltimore and other major cities quickly established major railroads, due to the lack of river access to U.S. inland areas. And the idea of being able to travel, regardless of weather conditions – and at high speeds, too – was a big hit with most Americans.

As a result, passenger rail service soared…

But then Henry Ford came along and changed the playing field. When he introduced the mass-produced automobile in the following decade, rail travel fell by 18%.

And today?

700 Miles and a Tank of Gas Later…

Fast-forward to 2010…

You’d think that in today’s high-tech age, we could combine speed with efficiency and wouldn’t spend so long waiting. But that’s not the case. And with transportation, it’s an increasingly expensive wait for most Americans.

Take the average car, for instance. Fully loaded with five passengers, it gets about 100 passenger-miles-per-gallon (PMPG).

And according to the Department of Energy, the average passenger jet only gets about 36 PMPG. Of course, the trade-off there is speed.

But how about that speed/low-cost equation? Especially for regional travel? Europe and Asia already manage it. And we can here, too.

The answer lies in the method that squeezes out 700 PMPG.

You got it… high-speed trains. You can string their “cars” together and carry far more passengers than the average commercial jetliner. And these trains blast along at speeds of nearly 250 MPH.

So which company is behind this rapid rail transportation?

This Company Feels the Need… the Need for Speed

Take a quick jaunt around the globe and you’ll see this company’s trains in use all over the place…

The company we’re talking about is Siemens AG (NYSE: SI) – the largest manufacturer of high-speed trains in the world.

Its Valero high-speed train technology is the world’s most successful. Siemens currently has 160 trains in operation and hundreds more on order.

And for speed-hungry America, it’s the perfect fit…

“All Aboard!”

Siemens is pushing hard to get its Valero high-speed train technology widely adopted across the U.S. rail network. Interest is high, too. There are several high-speed rail projects in the works…

Critics argue that few people will ride the high-speed rails. But frankly, that’s a myopic view. They’re not counting on expensive gasoline, because cheap gas is a thing of the past.

As if further proof were needed, U.S. politicians simply need to look around the world to see what other countries are investing in transportation and energy infrastructure.

They need to roll up their sleeves and get the same things going here.

And while you wait, you might want to hop onboard the Siemens train and pick up a few shares.

Good investing,

David Fessler


TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: boxcarwillie; choochoo; choochoocharlie; energy; investment; oil; rail; savings
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To: wheresmyusa

Interesting theory since it was the railroads that expanded our population center and allowed our country to grow and prosper.


61 posted on 06/11/2010 8:37:35 AM PDT by outpostinmass2
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To: ExTxMarine

No, it is $7 per gallon. It’s around EU1.50/litre.


62 posted on 06/11/2010 8:42:41 AM PDT by Little Pig (Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici.)
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To: outpostinmass2

Perhaps you live in Amish country, but for the rest of us, our options of travel today are no longer limited to horse and buggy.


63 posted on 06/11/2010 8:43:29 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: PLMerite
“Think about the time you spend waiting in traffic jams… at the doctor/dentist’s office… at restaurants… at the gas station.”

Is he implying that I’m going to be able to take “high speed rail” to pick up a pizza?

No, not at all. Don't be silly...

He's implying you'll take the train to the doctor/dentist's office, to go to the restaurant, and to a gas station.

You won't use it to bring a pizza home, though. That's just silly!

64 posted on 06/11/2010 8:43:48 AM PDT by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the Sting of Truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: patton

He said he was the fire tender.

I said, “Um...it is a diesel-electric?”

He said, “Union.”

We learned about this in High School 50 years ago. It is called “Featherbedding”. A permanent UNION job for a non existant or eliminated position.


65 posted on 06/11/2010 8:44:27 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar ( Viva los SB 1070)
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To: Willie Green
Think will continue to fly long distances..comfort and all. Will sit back in my comfortable SUV and drive the shorter distances, stopping along the way when I just feel like it. Discovering America, I think they call it, at my leisure.

What Jobs would one go to in the US on these high speed train? Trains/commuters in Chicago to her suburbs already exist called AmTrack which just needed again how many federal billions?

Trains are cheaper to ride perhaps in mass; but like a bus, "more chance of wackos on board". This country is in greater land mass compared to some foreign countries mentioned. I can go from London to Paris in 2.5 hours like I can go from Portland Me to Boston in the same.

There is one train slated for stimulus money to go from Brunswick Me to Boston!! Whoopty doo!..A Red Sox game, Bowdoin College students will party in Boston.

Much of this high train use is for recreational-Vegas, Disney etc. The rest are specific land investor groups who already own or WILL own the land, make out. Who has money to spend on Vacations with no job?

As a parent would say to their kids: "When you show good financial responsibility by saving up your money, then you can go buy XYZ with it."

66 posted on 06/11/2010 8:44:57 AM PDT by fight_truth_decay
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To: cripplecreek
If you want a government funded and controlled project then you have to live with the politics. The highway fund has not covered the full cost of building and maintaining the interstate for about ten years. The interstate system is in the same place that the railroads were at 50 years ago. Over-expansion with too many bridges and roads that need repair and replacing. The difference is that railroads were private companies. I say sell the interstate to private investors and let them maintain and operate them. Some highways will be deemed to be too costly and abandoned. Let the market place decide.
67 posted on 06/11/2010 8:45:31 AM PDT by outpostinmass2
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To: PLMerite
Is he implying that I’m going to be able to take “high speed rail” to pick up a pizza?

or go from my house to the grocery store? or take my kids to a tournament soccer/tennis/volleyball/etc... how do I pack their cr#p and get to the site. yeah... right trains suck. packed in like pigs and if you love the TSA at the airport, can you imagine the SEIU losers we'll have to put up with that are too stupid to qualify for airport duty.

It's about limiting freedom. They want to pack you in a box and deliver you on THEIR schedule, not yours.

The taxes are just a way to take money away from us so we can't donate to charities we want only to those that are politically connected.

They take our money so we can't educate, travel or even flush our toilets without a government subsidy. We are headed towards serfdom. We are headed towards Europe.

Once we get "given" our tax break or given our subsidy. We will be dependent on it and we are TRAPPED. Cause in order to break away we have to give the money back to the government in the form of taxes and resist taking it back , pennies on the dollar after it feeds their fat faces, jets, hookers and union buddies.

All you have to remember is that black "activist" punching the Tea Party man yesterday and we see the end game . I will never back down if I'm in public and this happens to me. If these clowns want to punch me or push my wife, I'll take my chances with the court system. That fat piece of blubber would be waking up about now trying to figure out where teeth went and why he has a catheter where his balls used to be.

If they want to "get in my face" or get all wee-weed up... fine. Let's do this thing.

68 posted on 06/11/2010 8:45:34 AM PDT by erman (Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy.D)
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To: SoCal Pubbie
I’ve seen one of those. Isn’t it called a bus?

No a passenger bus doen't get 25 mpg like I stated in my off-the-cuff example.

But in my effort to google the actual mpg for a typical bus, I came across a very informative Wikipedia article that provides comparison data for different modes of transportation: Fuel efficiency in transportation

Under the heading title "trains" I found this excerpt:

A trial of a Colorado Railcar double-deck DMU hauling two Bombardier Bi-level coaches found fuel consumption to be 128 US gallons (480 l; 107 imp gal) for 144 miles (232 km), or 1.125 mpg-US (209.1 L/100 km; 1.351 mpg-imp). The DMU has 92 seats, the coaches typically have 162 seats, for a total of 416 seats. With all seats filled the efficiency would be 468 passenger-miles per US gallon (0.503 L/100 passenger-km; 562 passenger-mpg-imp).

And under "buses" I found this:

A diesel bus commuter service in Santa Barbara, CA, USA found average diesel bus efficiency of 6.0 mpg-US (39 L/100 km; 7.2 mpg-imp) (using MCI 102DL3 buses). With all 55 seats filled this equates to 330 passenger-mpg, with 70% filled the efficiency would be 231 passenger-mpg.[40] At the typical average passenger load of 9 people, the efficiency is only 54 passenger-mpg and could be half of this figure when many stops are made in urban routes.

One could quibble for eons about how these statistics are calculated, but at least trying an objective apples-to-apples comparison at maximum seating capacity shows:
468 mpg for the train with all seats occupied
330 mpg for the bus with all seats occupied.

The train wins.

69 posted on 06/11/2010 8:46:36 AM PDT by Willie Green (The train will also beat a bus at the RR crossing... but passenger safety is a different isue)
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To: SoCal Pubbie

They never want to talk about the fact that the vast majority prefer driving and even more live well away from a railroad.

I’ve been on a train exactly once in my life better than 30 years ago. It required a 20 mile drive to drop us off at the train station and someone to drive to pick us up at the other end. Then we had to do the same in reverse to go home. That sure shoots the hell out of the efficiency. Trains are fine for long distance frieght and not much else.

When I go to Michigan’s upper peninsula I can go and drive where I wish when I wish. I can stop and stretch my legs, have a picnic on a remote beach or wander off into the woods. Being forced on to a train will put enormous swaths of the American wilderness off limits. Which is just one more goal of the greentards.


70 posted on 06/11/2010 8:47:25 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: PugetSoundSoldier

I wonder if special purpose trains may find a market. Perhaps with casino, fine dining, theater, or duty-free cars? Something you couldn’t get in a passenger car.

I took the Napa Valley wine train once and while it’s only a tiny touring train, it was a lot of fun — although expensive.

Hmm, I may have refuted my own argument. Premium amenities will restrict the number of patrons who can afford to ride, leading again to the ridership/revenue problem.


71 posted on 06/11/2010 8:47:25 AM PDT by Crolis ("Nemo me impune lacessit!" - "No one provokes me with impunity!")
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To: outpostinmass2

“Interesting theory since it was the railroads that expanded our population center and allowed our country to grow and prosper.”

True, and it was whale oil industry that helped develop the northeast states; do you also think we should be using government funds to re-establish/re-develop/advance the whaling industry?


72 posted on 06/11/2010 8:47:32 AM PDT by ExTxMarine (Hey Congress: Go Conservative or Go Home!)
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To: outpostinmass2
Let the market place decide.

I do that every time I put gas in my truck.
73 posted on 06/11/2010 8:49:14 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: ExTxMarine

“The passenger fees have not covered the cost of maintaining or building the trains and tracks and MOST stations! That’s why my taxes help pay for people to ride Amtrak!””

Well Amtraks trains riding rails in the Northeast make money. The rest of the system does not. Interesting note is that the rest of Amtrak’s system rides on private rail owned by private railroads. Amtrak only owns and maintains the tracks on its northeast corridor.


74 posted on 06/11/2010 8:50:12 AM PDT by outpostinmass2
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
$50 million PER MILE.

Not a chance... It'll be triple that. We just installed a 14 mile rail line here in Seattle at $179 million per mile. Estimating $50 million per mile is LOW...

The fact is we simply cannot afford this. At all. The estimate is $2 TRILLION to deploy across the US. Assuming today's bond rates (4.625%), we have a monthly interest expense of $7.5 BILLION. Yes, $7.5 BILLION a month for just the interest (not including the principal).

Assuming one out of 10 workers in the US use the train every day, that works out to $500 per MONTH in subsidies. Just in the interest costs alone.

$500 per rider, per month. Just in interest costs. Not including operational costs. Principal costs. Maintenance.

$23 per day per rider, just to pay the interest. Not the actual costs. Just interest.

So how does everyone else feel about tossing in $3 a day to pay the interest for each of those riders? How about tossing in another buck or two a day to cover their operational costs? Spend $5-$7 per day for your neighbor to ride his trains?

These are the questions that Willie loves to avoid...

75 posted on 06/11/2010 8:50:50 AM PDT by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the Sting of Truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: ExTxMarine

see my other posts. I want government out of the transportation business all together.


76 posted on 06/11/2010 8:52:08 AM PDT by outpostinmass2
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To: outpostinmass2

Which is why they hate it so much. Sprawl is “unsustainable”. Travel will only be allowed between “smart growth” zones, as dictated by the Wildlands Project plan.


77 posted on 06/11/2010 8:52:16 AM PDT by wheresmyusa
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To: PugetSoundSoldier

The $50 million per mile figure was from a congressional research bureau earlier this year.
I’ll defer to real numbers...


78 posted on 06/11/2010 8:54:22 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Impeachment !)
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To: outpostinmass2
The highway funds don’t cover the cost of maintaining or building highways anymore. The haven’t for some time.

It's about 70-80% covered, depending upon your reference. Meaning gas and excise taxes cover the vast majority of the operating costs of the highway system.

Do train fares cover anywhere near that amount of the costs of operation?

79 posted on 06/11/2010 8:55:41 AM PDT by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the Sting of Truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: PugetSoundSoldier
Amtrak's northeast corridor is self sustaining. The rest of system is not.
80 posted on 06/11/2010 8:57:17 AM PDT by outpostinmass2
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