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No Foetal Pain Before 24 Weeks
BBC Online ^ | 6/24/10 | Branwen Jeffreys

Posted on 06/24/2010 6:50:14 PM PDT by originalbuckeye

Abortions are permitted after 24 weeks on medical grounds There is no new evidence to show foetuses feel pain in the womb before 24 weeks, and so no reason to challenge the abortion limit, doctors say. The Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists' review said foetuses are "undeveloped and sedated". Brain connections are not fully formed, and the environment of the womb creates a state of induced sleep, like unconsciousness, they add. Anti-abortion campaigners are likely to challenge the reports. The issue of whether a foetus of 24 weeks or below can feel pain had been raised in the debate over whether the current time limit for abortion should be reduced. An up-to-date analysis of evidence was recommended by MPs in a report from the Commons Science and Technology committee during the last parliament. They looked at the 1967 Abortion Act, which covers all parts of the UK apart from Northern Ireland. Abortion grounds The Royal College's reviews of existing evidence examined whether or not a foetus can experience pain. It also tried to define what mental and physical abnormalities could result in a "serious handicap". Around 1% of abortions are carried out on these grounds. Such terminations can take place after 24 weeks. In the past, campaigners concerned about the abortion law have argued that this has been interpreted too widely to include relatively minor disabilities. But the Royal College said in its second report that it would not be practical to try to produce a list of conditions that would constitute serious handicap because it was too difficult to predict the long-term impact of an abnormality on a child or on their family. Supporters of the current abortion law have welcomed this report, arguing that even within one condition there may be a wide range of severity.

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I'm speechless. This is our future with Obamacare.
1 posted on 06/24/2010 6:50:15 PM PDT by originalbuckeye
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To: originalbuckeye

So that makes killing unborn babies alrighty then. /dripping sarcasm


2 posted on 06/24/2010 6:52:47 PM PDT by madison10
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To: originalbuckeye
Another Nazi Doctor heard from.

Zeese Choooz... sey are not Hue-man. Sey feel not'ing.

3 posted on 06/24/2010 6:54:30 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: originalbuckeye

This is absolute BS and total propoganda. I read once (in nursing school) that brain waves are present at nine wks as well as pain pathways. What utter crap. I’m shocked, though I guess I shouldn’t be considering the source


4 posted on 06/24/2010 6:55:00 PM PDT by surroundedbyblue
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To: originalbuckeye

Some folks can’t feel pain before 24 YEARS.


5 posted on 06/24/2010 6:55:04 PM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: originalbuckeye
Oh they're "sleeping"? That's why I've seen ultrasound videos of a 12-week fetus moving around quite vigorously? What was that, sleep-swimming? How about that lady that was a Planned Genocide Parenthood director who saw the baby on the ultrasound recoil in fear from the abortionist's tools? I'm sure she just imagined that.
6 posted on 06/24/2010 6:55:38 PM PDT by thecabal (Destroy Progressivism)
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To: originalbuckeye

It really doesn’t matter to the pro-murder crowd -

some claim to not support late term abortion,
and the rest of them are more honest.

They ALL support later term abortion with their lack of support for banning it.


7 posted on 06/24/2010 6:56:45 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: originalbuckeye

No “new” evidence that babies in the womb feel pain? I think they are avoiding some old evidence from the sounds of that sentence.


8 posted on 06/24/2010 6:57:09 PM PDT by Mere Survival (Mere Survival: The new American Dream)
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To: originalbuckeye

Interesting logic.

Next time I want to kill someone - I’ll have to make sure they’re asleep.


9 posted on 06/24/2010 6:57:27 PM PDT by crescen7 (game on)
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To: originalbuckeye

No pain eh?

Is dead still dead?


10 posted on 06/24/2010 6:57:43 PM PDT by glock rocks (Wait, what?)
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To: originalbuckeye
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Kill your TVs, not your babies.
11 posted on 06/24/2010 6:58:53 PM PDT by Canedawg (...still not digging this tyranny thing.)
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To: originalbuckeye
There is no new evidence to show foetuses feel pain in the womb before 24 weeks

. . . yet there is concrete evidence to show that babies born before week 24 feel pain outside the womb. Go figure.

12 posted on 06/24/2010 6:59:01 PM PDT by Hoodat (.For the weapons of our warfare are mighty in God for pulling down strongholds.)
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To: originalbuckeye; Jim Robinson

It’s fascinating to me that the left’s biggest slur to our soldiers was: “baby killers.”

Now these asshats are riding Washington like a rented mule.


13 posted on 06/24/2010 7:00:21 PM PDT by glock rocks (Wait, what?)
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To: originalbuckeye

BS. I was a NICU nurse for 10 years. Took care of plenty of 23 weekers and even a few 22 weekers. They are fully functioning babies!


14 posted on 06/24/2010 7:00:45 PM PDT by Wage Slave (Army Mom!)
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To: originalbuckeye
There is no new evidence to show foetuses feel pain in the womb before 24 weeks, and so no reason to challenge the abortion limit

When its global warming we have to act now without evidence-just in case. When its abortion, we have to assume their is no pain got the fetus unless we have unimpeachable evidence.

15 posted on 06/24/2010 7:00:50 PM PDT by Raycpa
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To: Hoodat

Evil seeks new ways to give itself cover for the slaughter of alive unborn human children.


16 posted on 06/24/2010 7:02:08 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Obots, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when they are deceived.)
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To: originalbuckeye
I'm speechless. This is our future with Obamacare.

Minus the 24-week limit they have in Britain. Pain schmain.

17 posted on 06/24/2010 7:02:26 PM PDT by denydenydeny ("Why should I feed pirates?"--Russian officer off Somalia)
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To: originalbuckeye; All

The heart starts beating at 18 days. That’s all I need to know.


18 posted on 06/24/2010 7:02:55 PM PDT by originalbuckeye
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To: originalbuckeye

So let me get this right...as long as you can numb someone enough so they feel no pain it is ok to murder them...


19 posted on 06/24/2010 7:03:05 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper ("Anyone pushing Romney must love socialism...Piss on Romney and his enablers!!" ~ Jim Robinson)
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To: crescen7

More interesting logic: don’t kill fetuses old enough to feel pain...unless the fetus is handicapped.


20 posted on 06/24/2010 7:03:19 PM PDT by utahagen
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To: originalbuckeye

These bastards don’t get it.

It has nothing to do with the pain or lack thereof that is felt while ending a life.

It is about ending a life.

Good Lord please have mercy on us all.


21 posted on 06/24/2010 7:08:34 PM PDT by Nik Naym (It's not my fault... I have compulsive smartass disorder.)
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To: originalbuckeye
"YOU LIE!!!"
22 posted on 06/24/2010 7:10:50 PM PDT by ladyvet (WOLVERINES!!!!!)
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To: originalbuckeye

I had an early amnio at 13 weeks. An ultrasound monitor was used to guide the technician, because they had to be sure the needle didn’t hurt the baby. My husband and I watched the monitor as the needle was inserted. As soon as the needle entered the amniotic sac, our son sensed the intrusion and reached his little hand up to investigate. The technician remained as though frozen in place for fear that the needle would hurt his tiny little developing hand. After a few moments he removed his hand and went back to sucking his thumb. Any doubts I still may have had about the sanctity of life vanished at that moment.


23 posted on 06/24/2010 7:13:56 PM PDT by Think free or die
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To: originalbuckeye

So does that mean we can outlaw abortions after the 24th week in the US?


24 posted on 06/24/2010 7:17:38 PM PDT by earlJam
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To: originalbuckeye
Interesting perspective.

But before these eminent health professionals pronounce so magisterially on the issue, perhaps they should agree to take some Ambien and be placed, unconscious and naked, into a water-filled sensory deprivation chamber.

Then, after a bit, the water could be charged full of metallic salts and these experts could be mildly curetted with some infrequently-cleaned steel blades.

After that certain-to-be-painless research, they could feel much more empirically comfortable with their conclusions.

25 posted on 06/24/2010 7:21:28 PM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who like to be called Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: originalbuckeye

And they know this HOW?????

Not one of the “experts” have had to go through the pain
of death before birth!

Yes...God help us with these murdering thugs in office!


26 posted on 06/24/2010 7:21:37 PM PDT by LUV W (DIMs?......start packin'--you're fired!....I can see November from my house!)
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To: originalbuckeye

>> Article: no new evidence to show foetuses feel pain in the womb before 24 weeks, and so no reason to challenge the abortion limit, ...

Empty arguments for empty souls.

I wonder if the contempt I have for abortion advocates is lesser or greater than the contempt they have for the unborn.


27 posted on 06/24/2010 7:23:26 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been redistributed. Here's your Change.)
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To: originalbuckeye

I really doubt this


28 posted on 06/24/2010 7:24:08 PM PDT by GeronL (Political Correctness Kills)
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To: hinckley buzzard

Yep...the left always de-humanizes their targets. Just ask my grandfather...no wait...you can’t: the Nazis killed him.


29 posted on 06/24/2010 7:29:01 PM PDT by Pharmboy (The Stone Age did not end because they ran out of stones...)
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To: surroundedbyblue

If they are comparing the feotus with an unconscious person, surely they must concede that the two ought to be put on the same medical footing. The growth of the feotus is a kind of slow awakening. Long before that time, the feotus acts reflexively to stimuli.


30 posted on 06/24/2010 7:30:08 PM PDT by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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To: surroundedbyblue

If they are comparing the feotus with an unconscious person, surely they must concede that the two ought to be put on the same medical footing. The growth of the feotus is a kind of slow awakening. Long before that time, the feotus acts reflexively to stimuli.


31 posted on 06/24/2010 7:30:19 PM PDT by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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To: originalbuckeye

I have yet to see a murder defendant argue for his innocence on the grounds that his victim felt no pain.


32 posted on 06/24/2010 7:32:57 PM PDT by eclecticEel (Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness: 7/4/1776 - 3/21/2010)
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To: crescen7

>Interesting logic.
>
>Next time I want to kill someone - I’ll have to make sure they’re asleep.

Unless you can do it instantly you need some way to make sure there’s no pain... such as decapitation.


33 posted on 06/24/2010 7:33:18 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: originalbuckeye

So as long as someone feels no pain...its ok to kill them.


34 posted on 06/24/2010 7:33:50 PM PDT by icwhatudo ("laws requiring compulsory abortion could be sustained under the existing Constitution"Obama Adviser)
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To: crescen7

Exactly.

“No, officer, it’s OK—I blew the guy’s head off with a shotgun whilst he was sleepin’—I swear, he never felt a t’ing. Nuttin’ ta see here, move on, folks.”


35 posted on 06/24/2010 7:34:11 PM PDT by Humble Servant ( See y'all in the gulag.)
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To: originalbuckeye

Placemark for later pingout.


36 posted on 06/24/2010 7:35:24 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: Nik Naym

They do not value innocent life, only the lives of criminals.


37 posted on 06/24/2010 7:36:21 PM PDT by Humble Servant ( See y'all in the gulag.)
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To: originalbuckeye
“no new evidence to show foetuses feel pain in the womb before 24 weeks”

Sounds like some careful parsing of words to me with emphasis on the word “new”. Never mind that there is old evidence. Dr. Bernard Nathanson, former abortionist and founder of NARAL, found evidence of the unborn feeling pain and demonstrated it in his film, The Silent Scream.

38 posted on 06/24/2010 7:36:48 PM PDT by Nevadan
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To: originalbuckeye

Right. A tranquilizer dart first. Break the skull second. No murder involved.


39 posted on 06/24/2010 7:37:57 PM PDT by Rippin
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To: originalbuckeye

Right. A tranquilizer dart first. Break the skull second. No murder involved.


40 posted on 06/24/2010 7:38:05 PM PDT by Rippin
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To: originalbuckeye

Liars! They have proven it by the child moving away when touched by something in utero. If they didn’t feel they wouldn’t move away.


41 posted on 06/24/2010 7:38:54 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: originalbuckeye

If you’ve seen 4-D ultrasounds at that age, you’d note that the baby does everything except comunicate in sign language. They’re alive, and aware of their surroundings. If there is a loud noise, they’ll jump.

As we’ve seen so many times in the last 100 years, first comes the systematic dehumanization, then the extermination.


42 posted on 06/24/2010 7:43:22 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (How many children are enough? One more....)
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To: originalbuckeye

milarkie!!! Not worthy of the post!!!!!!


43 posted on 06/24/2010 7:45:13 PM PDT by pollywog ("Under His Wings".........Psalm 91:4)
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To: originalbuckeye

Thank you for posting. Check this out.

Apple - iPad App - Hello Baby

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulV5LDwdn8Y&feature=player_embedded


44 posted on 06/24/2010 7:46:20 PM PDT by RedMDer (Throw them all out in 2010... Forward with Confidence! Forward!)
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To: originalbuckeye
There is no new evidence to show foetuses feel pain in the womb before 24 weeks

So why not err on the side of caution? There's no evidence they don't feel the pain of being ripped apart while they're still alive, either.

45 posted on 06/24/2010 7:51:38 PM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: madison10

Does that mean aborting(post-natal) liberals is ok since they have no brain activity ?


46 posted on 06/24/2010 8:01:21 PM PDT by omegadawn (qualified)
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To: originalbuckeye

So pain is now the threshold? I thought it was a heartbeat, or brainwaves, or birth.....?

So using the new logic of Eugenics, if I can really dope up my victim so that they are incapable of feeling pain, I can kill anyone I like!


47 posted on 06/24/2010 8:11:44 PM PDT by TitansAFC ("At that point in time (2000 race), McCain was as conservative if not more so than GWB." --- pissant)
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To: originalbuckeye

What does it matter if they feel pain or not?! What a sick world we live in. Just because an unborn human (yes, they are human) doesn’t feel pain doesn’t make it right.


48 posted on 06/24/2010 8:13:19 PM PDT by al_c (http://www.blowoutcongress.com)
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To: al_c

Ergo, a premature baby born before he/she is 6 months old (24 weeks) doesn’t feel pain?

You’ve got to be kidding me!


49 posted on 06/24/2010 8:20:49 PM PDT by CondorFlight (I)
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To: thecabal
[...]saw the baby on the ultrasound recoil in fear from the abortionist's tools [...]

By that reasoning, you'll have the plants'-rights activists upset at the terror inflicted upon Mimosa pudica.

Such claims undermine the credibility of our side.

50 posted on 06/24/2010 8:25:13 PM PDT by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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