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Americans are treated, and overtreated, to death (shut up and die, already)
Yahoo/AP ^ | 06/28/2010 | MARILYNN MARCHIONE

Posted on 06/28/2010 10:25:06 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum

The doctors finally let Rosaria Vandenberg go home. For the first time in months, she was able to touch her 2-year-old daughter who had been afraid of the tubes and machines in the hospital. The little girl climbed up onto her mother's bed, surrounded by family photos, toys and the comfort of home. They shared one last tender moment together before Vandenberg slipped back into unconsciousness.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2010electionbias; asspress; buttociatedpress; dnctalkingpoints; healthcarerationing; obamacare; pravdamedia; rationing; socializedmedicine; tortreform; yellowjournalism
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To: nagdt
Sometimes, treatment will help prolong a bit - but if I were diagnosed with something incurable - I’d definitely ask the hard questions about quality of life for my remaining days.

God bless your Mother, Brother, and you! It is hard to lose a loved one that way.

My Dad had Alzheimer's and passed away in April 2007. Hospice was the BEST! HE remained home with my Mom (then 83 YO)and my sister. He passed away at home holding my Mom's hand. No extraordinary measures for that disease but my older brother is fighting Cancer right now and even though the treatments are expensive he seems to have won round one. His latest scan shows total remission. He is only 62.

21 posted on 06/28/2010 11:16:33 AM PDT by OldMissileer (Atlas, Titan, Minuteman, PK. Winners of the Cold War)
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To: Marty62
That was my point.

I was agreeing with you.

22 posted on 06/28/2010 11:17:21 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The only stable state is the one in which all men are equal before the law." -- Aristotle)
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To: nagdt

Both my parents died of lung cancer, they were far advanced, and opted for no treatment, just hospice and pain meds. 1 lived 3 months, 1 lived 4. Buying an extra couple of weeks was not worth the medical problems of chemo.


23 posted on 06/28/2010 11:19:21 AM PDT by GailA (obamacare paid for by cuts & taxes on most vulnerable Veterans, retired Military, disabled & Seniors)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Ok.


24 posted on 06/28/2010 11:22:40 AM PDT by Marty62 (marty60)
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To: GailA

Exactly. Dying on your own terms. It’s hard to watch your loved one’s go -— but being in the hospital with tubes and respirators and crappy floor nurses and then dying...is 10x worse.
Sorry about your parents. I don’t have a mom or dad anymore. Never gets easier.


25 posted on 06/28/2010 11:23:11 AM PDT by nagdt ("None of my EX's live in Texas")
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

This should be from the Onion but it’s not. The nation and world can hardly get any more insane.

Perhaps we should give up and die at this point. This place is hopeless.


26 posted on 06/28/2010 11:23:58 AM PDT by Soothesayer (We are completely ******!)
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To: OldMissileer

I wish your Brother the best! Mine died at 56. He was my best buddy! He lived his life to the fullest which was likely why he died so young. I had to hide the cigarettes from him at the end. ;) He couldn’t breathe but he wanted to smoke.


27 posted on 06/28/2010 11:27:00 AM PDT by nagdt ("None of my EX's live in Texas")
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I have a chronic condition and need a ct scan. I spent 4 hours on the phone last week trying to get it scheduled. Almost the first question I was asked by each person I spoke to was, “are you on hospice?” I have a chronic condition my new doctor thinks can be fixed, I am not dying!!!!!


28 posted on 06/28/2010 11:28:10 AM PDT by kalee (The offences we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we engrave in marble. J Huett 1658)
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To: Mr Fuji

This article is about a 2 year old child.

It is EVIL to give up on a child’s life.


29 posted on 06/28/2010 11:33:50 AM PDT by Soothesayer (We are completely ******!)
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To: Soothesayer
Nice try, I figured someone wouldn't actually read the article and respond to me. Did you read the article? The mother died not the child, as I don't know of any 2-year old pharmacists! The child was afraid to visit her mom tied up the machines and tubes.

I'm not advocating euthanasia, to kill people at random, give up on terminally ill kids, kick and torture animals, etc. All I was saying that adults should be given the facts on their terminal health condition and they decide whether they want to be treated or not.

From the article: "Vandenberg, 32, died the next day." and "Instead, Vandenberg, a pharmacist in Franklin, Mass., had endured two surgeries, chemotherapy and radiation for an incurable brain tumor before she died in July 2004."

30 posted on 06/28/2010 11:42:39 AM PDT by Mr Fuji
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To: Mr Fuji

Ahhh crap I responded to the wrong article. I need to stick to one window from now on.

Whatever, I just don’t care anymore.


31 posted on 06/28/2010 11:46:36 AM PDT by Soothesayer (We are completely ******!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
One problem with rationing or even giving societal pressure that it is better to give up than to fight is that those who make a futile fight now often provide information to doctors on how to treat disease so that the incurable today becomes the curable next year and the the routinely treated the following year.

Remember when open heart surgery was considered a risky, experimental and likely-to-fail-anyway procedure? Now a quadruple bypass is almost routine. If there weren't some that were "overtreated" for their almost certainly fatal heart disease a couple of decades ago, arterial blockage would still be a death sentence today.

If Obamacare isn't reversed, what is now the best medical care will likely stay the best you can get, or even "progress" to beyond what you are allowed to have anymore.

32 posted on 06/28/2010 11:50:39 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (I am so immune to satire that I ate three Irish children after reading Swift's "A Modest Proposal")
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To: Soothesayer

No problem, FRiend!


33 posted on 06/28/2010 11:53:09 AM PDT by Mr Fuji
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To: kalee
Don't let the bastards grind you down!
34 posted on 06/28/2010 11:56:41 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The only stable state is the one in which all men are equal before the law." -- Aristotle)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

The question is who decides who gets more medical care, and who doesn’t.

You think death panels will decide?

Wrong. Death panels will determine political policy.

That policy will be interpreted by statistical analysts.

Those analysis will be implemented by...

Software.

“No one” will deny you healthcare.

“The computer” will simply present “allowed options” in your case.


35 posted on 06/28/2010 12:07:05 PM PDT by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on it's own.)
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To: Talisker
You think death panels will decide?

Eric "Honest Discussion about Race" Holder will decide.

36 posted on 06/28/2010 12:15:41 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The only stable state is the one in which all men are equal before the law." -- Aristotle)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

There is truth in this article. There is a point in treatment thatit is futile and torturous. At that time it is wise to have someone step in and give more information. If the Chemo has next to zero impact on people on stage three or stage four cancer, perhaps that is good information to know. Perhaps it is time to regroup and have a good end.

The other issue here is that many of these patients are lab rats for residents and interns and they will throw everything at them.

There is a time to stop and learn to die.


37 posted on 06/28/2010 12:43:57 PM PDT by Chickensoup (The Acting President....is an incompetent puppet of Soros.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum; rightwingintelligentsia; sten; taxcontrol
If you go to this National Right to Life website

http://www.nrlc.org/euthanasia/willtolive/Stateslist.html

you can download a "Will to Live" in accordance with your own wishes and in accordance with your particular state laws.

They call it a "Will to Live" (rather than a Living Will) because it is oriented toward strengthening the right to legitimate care including nutrition and hydration always, (so that nobody can choose "for" you to be killed via starvation/dehydration like Terri Schiavo) --- and yet is customizable so that you can explicitly decline futile or burdensome treatments which are really of no use when you are truly dying.

Please check it out. Everybody needs a document of this kind.

Plus everyone needs to talk with their "nearest and dearest" about what they sincerly want.

This NRLC "Will to Live" document would be an excellent basis for the discussion, and can be fully tailored to what you believe is right.

38 posted on 06/28/2010 12:46:54 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("One can't complain," said Eeyore. "I have my friends. Somebody spoke to me only yesterday.")
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To: Chickensoup
There is a time to stop and learn to die.

Sounds like you should take your own advice.

39 posted on 06/28/2010 12:55:14 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The only stable state is the one in which all men are equal before the law." -- Aristotle)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Sounds like you should take your own advice.

No when one has worked with patients whose deaths were being prolonged through horrific means, usually as someone’s learning experience, one takes a different view.


40 posted on 06/28/2010 3:14:54 PM PDT by Chickensoup (The Acting President....is an incompetent puppet of Soros.)
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