Posted on 07/01/2010 9:25:55 AM PDT by jakerobins
[Arabic 'islām, submission, from 'aslama... to surrender, resign oneself, from Syriac 'ašlem , to make peace, surrender, derived stem of šlem, to be complete; see šlm in Semitic roots.]
1.Islam and Muslim are both words used to describe the religion revealed to the Prophet Mohammed.In other words, according to your source, while there are differences in usage of the two words, it is quite fair to say that "all Muslims are Islamic", as a shorthand for "all Muslims follow the Islamic religion".2.Islam and Muslim both have the same origin in the Arabic verb s-l-m.
3.Islam is the act of submitting to the will of God whereas a Muslim is person who participates in the act of submission.
4.To be correctly used, Islam or Islamic should describe the religion and its subsequent cultural concepts whereas Muslim should only describe the followers of the religion of Islam.
If you're just arguing syntax, that's fine, and I agree with you. A person is a Muslim, the religion is Islam. But semantically, any Muslim is a practitioner of Islam, by the definition of the words involved.
Just surrender and be done with it.
You’re welcome, (insert name or description of body orifice here).
Aside...I'm an ogre, not an ice cream store manager. {;^)
Two countries separated by a common language.
I guess subtlety or sarcasm aren’t your strong suits. Well, when someone gets jumped on for making a statement that makes no sense whatsoever in the way they say it, and it’s on a topic I have a bit of knowledge about, my impulse is to try and help. No worries, you’re on your own.
> They must have been at a loss for words when “Wog” fell out of favor.
LOLOL!!
Little Sally came to the teacher sobbing and said, “Teacher, Johnny called me a cow.”
Teacher said, “Well, if you can spell ‘cow’, you can go home and have the rest of the day off.” Sally easily spelled cow, stuck her tongue out at Johnny and went home.
Minutes later, little Betty came to the teacher sobbing saying, “Teacher, Johnny called me a pig.”
Teacher said, “Well, if you can spell ‘pig’, you can go home and have the rest of the day off.” Betty easily spelled pig, stuck her tongue out at Johnny and went home.
Almost immediately after that, little Abdullah ran up to the teacher crying and said, “Teacher, Johnny called me a wog.”
Teacher said, “Well, Abdullah, you can go home and have the rest of the day off if you can spell ‘racial discrimination’.”
What do they call people from Asia? Orientals? Celestials?
The vast majority of Muslims in England are either from Pakistan or from India, which are indisputably in Asia. So it's not inaccurate. They tend to call people from SE Asia, China, Japan, etc. Orientals.
Your scholarly reply is appreciated, but you must understand that very few people will ever differentiate Muslims to the degree that you are.
Your view is tantamount (in most people’s common understanding) to saying that not all Christians are of the Christian faith. The point is, the common understanding is that Muslims are by definition, people who follow the Islamic religion.
If you want to take on the task of re-educating the entire population about the finer points of Islam, be my guest. 99.9% will continue to call the believers of Islam, Muslims.
Never forget, never surrender!
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