Posted on 07/13/2010 3:47:06 AM PDT by marktwain
Edited on 07/13/2010 4:51:40 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
Yeah, you talk like a jack booted thug who enjoys practicing his quick draw in front of a mirror.
I don’t buy that the costco employee had anything to do with this except for calling the police.
The cops could have easily seen he wasn’t acting irrationally.
Its that second volley that makes it so, were these guys snorting coke? Sheesh!
This reminds me - let me know the next time you see a cop obeying traffic laws.
I dunno. It seems to me that the report of a man acting erratically could—and I emphasize could— have gotten the police revved up to some degree. I was not, on the other hand, emphasizing this particular case, I was instead indicating that it would be good policy for all dispatchers to get detailed information for the police other than “a man with a gun.”
Note that the police did not confront Mr. Scott in the store where he was supposed to be tearing up stuff; instead, they met him amongst other customers at the store’s door. It seems to me that the closeness of the encounter contributed to the gross misunderstanding.
Not really.You notiice I prefaced my remarks with " if thei report is accurate."It may not be.
But you must understand that our nation lives now uin an era where political correctness now moves people instead of the law. What if these officers disagreed with the concealed carry law, for example? We now live in an era where laws are not enforced, where the law is disrespected,where political correctness rules.
We live in an era where we have a fascist president who discourages free speech and publicly flaunts the enforcement of the law. He also has somethingto say about municiple police departments if he feels like it.Sooner or later killing like this arises in a fascist political environment, usually at the hamds of the police.
Thats fascism. Thats what happened in Europe prior to WWII. In other words this type of killing has been justified through political correctness in fascist history.Now I am not saying these officers were so motivated, but that second volley, while the victim was convulsing? What reason? Were they mad? We live in a fascist political environment now. And the usual bets on why are off. Remember that.
I want to see all the facts on this incident.I want the facts on their backgrounds as well, especially their politics. Did they vote for Obama? Was race a factor? This is like something the SS would do in Nazi Germany.
Reads to me as though the Costco manager had been trained by a national corporate policy to perform actions X,y,z in a hostile armed circumstance. Probably over-reacted, so much so that the PA system was used to direct all shoppers to leave the premises.
That action alone for a major bulk sales outlet has to cause a sizable dent in daily revenue and goodwill.
Compound this with the newsworthy incident outside, and IMHO, Costco will be lucky to resolve this out of court.
This brings up another issue regarding Corporate policies implemented in multiple States where local and State laws allow for open carry and CCW permits. How much of this issue is caused by a poorly thought out Corporate policy prepared for New England and implemented in Nevada?
Unfortunately, there are a lot of ignorant people around here, and there's a lot of beer consumed. I stay out of the woods during hunting season, except for the area near my home. My new place is adjacent to the Monongahela national Forest, almost 1,000,000 acres of woods, mountains, and fire trails. I am building a fence around 150 acres or so, and have 300 more for a buffer from the nearest paved road. It's easy to defend and easy to sustain.
I'm just a couple of hours from Washington DC and when the SHTF, after gas goes to five dollars a gallon, and the grocery shelves empty, I won't have any problem keeping my enemies at bay. First they have to find the house, which is built in the side of the mountain. I am earth sheltered, solar powered, and protected by rolldown steel curtains. A lot of thought went into the place, and it is large enough for my children and grandchildren should it come to that. You never know what may happen, but I'd rather be prepared, as a Boy Scout!
understood, but my main point was, any unsuspecting person may for whatever reason become a murder suspect due to mistaken identity, a likeness to the real suspect, same vehicle type and color, etc... and never be the wiser. These types of ordinary people may not all react the same way. Some may get nervous and react differently, albeit perfectly naturally for their personality type, mean no ill will, but you’ve stated you kill anyone in that situation that made a dumb mistake simply for being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Guilt by association along with the joyous odds of having judge, jury, and executioner all at the ready in one fell swoop. Sounds like justice to me!
“Why did police zero in on him? Has anyone heard? Did the Costco employee point him out ...”
That is what my understanding from one of the early reports.
When the police got there, an employee had to identify the soon to be murdered man. He had no idea what was coming.
Nazi employee should be charged with accessory to murder.
Entire post +1.
Good to see you shark. Jail has proven that it is worthless in obtaining nearly EVERY purpose of the CJ system. It shouldn’t even be considered “ex-felon” because with a clean slate, there should be no record. I personally know a few felons, and depending on the stupidity of state/fed laws, and the overzealousness of prosecutors, even those who think they have clean sheets will come out dirty at some point.
Additionally, we’ll all be felons due to one law or another soon, which is the aim of this near dictatorship we live in. The corruption of LVMPD is rank, and it’s not confined to Vegas. This problem is systemic.
There should be NO, ZERO, city law enforcement officers. They should all be under the umbrella of the county sheriff, and there should be zero unions either. When three states have already made it a felony to record/video officers who are on duty, you know the full blown police state (far worse than a military state, I assure you) is nearly upon us. Wake up people, this Administration is getting, one way or another, essentially all of the goals it’s been reaching for, even if we only find our months and years later, like the increase in IRS officers (due to Obamacare), and arming them.
Watch what the other hand is doing, because these acts are going to increase exponentially. Mark my words.
Metro is corrupt to the core. Having lived in vegas for more than two decades, I can attest to that. They throw unarmed citizens, walking down the street on hot, black car hood in the middle of summer with impunity. Crash into law abiding citizens and then accuse them of hitting officers in the line of duty, and shoot people even the unarmed in compliance dozens of times. They are corrupt to the core.
Let alone that policing is not even in the top ten dangerous jobs in the U.S. and barely in the top 15 by accounting for injuries which include wrecking their own cars, tripping on ice, going to the ER for being overweight and having a heart attack while training (All three of these are the cause of death of the 4 local “heros” in the area I now live, and the only deaths in over a dozen years).
Being a cop is not a dangerous job. Being an officer going into a dangerous area, say South Central L.A. is...
“So the moral of this story is that stores and their employees shouldn’t call 911 unless they want to leave themselves open for liability?”
So, employees shouldn’t call 911 and LIE about a suspect.
“Blame the police for their on incompetence.”
Sure. BUT, the employee who escalated this tragedy deserves equal blame.
“To this day, Vegas cops hate CCW carriers.”
THAT, is a very illuminating post.
So, I wonder, did the nazi employee know this?
Did she know the police would be unsympathetic to a CCW carrier?
Mighty interesting. Thank you.
It’s interesting you should mention the proliferation of felonies threatening to make the common man a felon; I finished “Three Felonies a Day” about a month/month-and-a-half ago and it is a stark warning about how the laws are a) being poorly written, b) being “rewritten” by government agencies [ie, the IRS can change a regulation/rule and *BANG* lots of tax-preparers are felons!] and c) being misapplied even contrary to what the normal meaning of the words are.
It is a fact that the United States of America could cease to become a Republic with just a few words: the congress passing a law which makes everyone felons, then no citizen can vote... or ‘legally’ own guns. Further, when you point out a blatant violation of the law to those in authority you are met with nothing but excuses and rationalizations. This is frightening to contemplate, but it seems like the law only applies “when they want it to.” {’They’ being those in power/authority.}
Just yesterday I pointed out to a sheriff that there is several state law violations of our state constitution, which prohibits the abridgment of the right of the Citizen to keep and bear arms... yet there is a state law that prohibits guns on campus. His argument was that the restriction of firearms in certain places was not an abridgment of the right to keep and *bear* arms and cited the CITY AND COUNTY COURTHOUSES! {This is particularly egregious because the second sentence in my State’s Constitution, which I showed him, reads: “No county or municipality shall regulate, in any way, an incident of the right to keep and bear arms.”}
According to that theory of Jurisprudence it would be insanely easy to get around the following (also from the State constitution):
Sec. 11. [Freedom of religion.]
Every man shall be free to worship God according to the dictates of his own conscience, and no person shall ever be molested or denied any civil or political right or privilege on account of his religious opinion or mode of religious worship. No person shall be required to attend any place of worship
or support any religious sect or denomination; nor shall any preference be given by law to any religious denomination or mode of worship.
What you do is pass a law requiring all Jews (or Christians, or Muslims, or any other religious type) to wear [say] six-pointed stars on their clothes.
Then, pass a law stating that no person wearing a six-pointed star may vote.
I choose that example because it DOES hit people’s emotional nerves. But look at the rejection of logic here too! Many a child knows that if A means B, and B means C, then A means C! (Yet here we have this dismissed out of hand?) *BLAGHHHHHHH!*
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“This brings up another issue regarding Corporate policies implemented in multiple States where local and State laws allow for open carry and CCW permits. How much of this issue is caused by a poorly thought out Corporate policy prepared for New England and implemented in Nevada?”
Bingo!!! Hammer hits nail!!!
If Costco HADN’T had this ‘contrary policy against freedom’ this confrontation would not have happened. CCW is allowed, and as I understand from other posts, this store DID NOT post any sign saying anything against CCW not allowed in the store. Costco asked for this very outcome by being unfriendly to CCW and 2nd amendment rights.
BOYCOTT COSTCO UNTIL THEY RELEASE UNDOCTORED TAPES!!!!!!!!!!!
Funny. Aren’t you the one who’s been blathering about ad hominems all day long? There goes another string of em!
Excellent post.
I wanted to add something to your post. Lautenberg’s Ammendment, I think is an excellent example of laws being re-written. Not only can felons not own guns, people who were NEVER felons, and who had paid for their crimes, were retro-actively denied a God given human right, to keep and bear arms. Felons should not even be denied the right to bare arms after their sentences are served, as was the case until only very recently in the life of our country.
While guns rights are only a simple example, they show a trend. The right to bear arms was not to be infringed. Then felons on parole, etc., could not own arms (albeit in the older days, felons-—which was far more rare, and for a far more grievious “crime” than these days—would have less access to guns, as they would have been incarcerated). Next came past felons not being able to own guns. And now anyone arrested for “Domestic Violence” (Yelling can count in some states), are barred from owning guns.
The trend isn’t just going to be with guns. Take taxes, for example. Once upon a time, we paid taxes once a year. Then taxes somehow got to be taken quarterly, then taken from us in every paycheck. Then we are penalized if we underpay before the end-of-the-year reconcilliation (April 15th), then people were penalized for overpaying.
It is a crime for so many things, that people cannot comprehend the thousands of laws on the book in their own states, let alone the federal goverment, which could make them felons everyday. And with this, police are being indoctrinated by unions that they are better than we are, and that it’s police vs. civilians, and to watch out for one another, and “never be a rat.”
I have a feeling that Obama’s “Civilian Defense Force” will slide in without a whimper from the public, based on the craftiness so far. People need to wake up, and they need to do it NOW.
Is “Three Felonies a Day” in print now? I’m going to try and look for it, it sounds interesting to me.
One of the best video’s ever made. The facts found starting at the 11:50 mark are very telling. Our right to remain silent is for the protection of the INNOCENT, FROM “law enforcement,” NOT the guilty.
“Don’t Talk to Cops, Part 1”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8z7NC5sgik
You really need to learn the definition of an Ad Hominem. I'm not saying that you are wrong because you have a small mind filled with delusional rambling thoughts, but rather you are wrong because you haven't objectively established anything, unlike what you are asserting in your grandiose claims.
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