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Officers In Costco Shooting Identified (NV)
fox5vegas.com ^ | 12 July, 2010 | NA

Posted on 07/13/2010 3:47:06 AM PDT by marktwain

Edited on 07/13/2010 4:51:40 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

LAS VEGAS -- Las Vegas Metro police on Monday identified the three officers who shot and killed an armed man outside a Costco store in Summerlin.

They are Officer William Mosher, 38, a five-year veteran of the department, Officer Joshua Stark, 28, who has been with the department since September 2008, and Officer Thomas Mendiola, 23, who joined the department in March 2009.


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Several witnesses at the scene say that Erik Scott never acted confrontational or touched a weapon when he was shot.
1 posted on 07/13/2010 3:47:08 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

...then what in the hell is this about? A West Pointer running amok outside of a Costco? Doesn’t compute.


2 posted on 07/13/2010 3:51:11 AM PDT by RightOnline
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To: marktwain

More about the story. Be sure and follow the link for the whole story;
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2551248/posts


3 posted on 07/13/2010 3:52:59 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: marktwain
From the comments on the channel 8 news story:

“I couldn't agree with you more....My wife and I were 7 or 8 feet away from the shooting as were the police. We were to the suspects immediate right. We heard and saw the 3 police officers shouting to the man in question to ‘get on your knees’ several times. At that point the man appeared somewhat stunned by the commotion and shouting of the police. His Right arm went up in a defenseless position and it appeared his left arm appeared to be going up but there was NO gun in his hand. He was taserd and shot at the same time. At no time did the man in question ever raise his voice, shout an obscenity or become confrontational with the police. We saw the disabled man stooping to his right facing us with what appeared to be a bullet wound in his upper chest with blood coming from the wound and immediately his eyes became glossy as he began to convulse. At this point he was no threat to anyone, both hands were in full view of us and there was no gun. As he was down, the police continued to shout ‘put the gun down’ several times...but there was no gun in his hand as we had full vantage point view. The injured man was having agonal respirations, he was down when the second volly of bullets rang out. There was no doubt in question that following the second barrage of bullets the man was dead. His girlfriend was to the back side of us and began to scream.....why did you kill him, he is a military man with a license to carry a concealed weapon. You didn't need to kill him....you didn't need to kill him.
An officer then came up to the injured man who in my opinion was a ‘dead’ man’, was cuffed with his hands behind his back and no attempt by the officer to determine if the man was alive or dead. No apparent life saving aid was given to the ‘downed’ man. The man was totally lifeless when the Paramedics arrived on scene. I was absolutely surprised to see that no attempt at aggressive ACLS was engaged. They simply just picked up the body like a ‘sack of potatoes’ and hurled him onto the gurney and into the ambulance This was a crime scene.... the crime scene was violated. One of the paramedics who attended to an injured elderly lady said the man was dead. There was a dead man in front of Costco. What nobody is talking about is that there were many many spectators, many like ourselves within just a few feet of the victim when the shots rang out. It seems to me that the greater danger was posed not by the victim but by the police who fired many shots in the vicinity of the innocent public. I agree with you, I hope the media and your friends family can get their hands of Costco's Camera's which will indeed tell the rest of the story. Also it must be confirmed whether the second gun supposedly found by the victims side was indeed also registered to him as a licensed conceal and carry.
This whole incident was a monumental tragedy; a tragedy for the family and friend and also a tragedy for the involved officers who were pushed into a needless confrontation that reached hysterical proportions due to the overreaction of certain employees and bystanders. This was a needless death.

In summary it is our opinion that the victim did not pose an immediate threat to the public.....and in the final analysis was a case of excessive force
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http://www.8newsnow.com/global/story.asp?s=12785291

4 posted on 07/13/2010 3:57:22 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

Looks like murder to me


5 posted on 07/13/2010 3:59:39 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: marktwain
A man was killed because he was destroying merchandise. Items are more important than life.I'm just curious, was he destroying the unidentified stuff with his gun? Whoever called the police, fictitionalizing the customer's actions, should also be held responsible for the loss of Erik's life.

I'm looking forward to viewing the store videos. I bet Costco will claim camera malfunction.

6 posted on 07/13/2010 4:02:57 AM PDT by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: marktwain

DOJ study found that when force is used by cops it is most often used inappropriately.


7 posted on 07/13/2010 4:03:03 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: marktwain
He was taserd and shot at the same time.

...something very wrong here

8 posted on 07/13/2010 4:04:07 AM PDT by Doogle (IT'S THAT TIME AGAIN....PLEASE donate, because it's the RIGHT thing to do)
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To: marktwain

I declare war on Costco, it started with a failed store policy which led to the death of an honest individual and may also lead to the end of several officers careers, or their freedom.

All because of Costco allowing the employment of a poorly trained individual that started the whole deathly issue.

I honestly hope many others see this the same as I do.

I demand compensation of no less than $25,000,000 to the family of the man killed, and I hope for more.


9 posted on 07/13/2010 4:08:11 AM PDT by Eye of Unk ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act" G.Orwell)
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To: 1_Rain_Drop

“A man was killed because he was destroying merchandise.”

I will wait to see the video of the destruction before I consider that a fact. So far, we only have a clerk’s word that destruction of merchandise was taking place.


10 posted on 07/13/2010 4:10:25 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: Eye of Unk

I just thought of the girlfriend. She must be a basket case right now.


11 posted on 07/13/2010 4:11:41 AM PDT by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: marktwain
That's why it's so important when carrying concealed that your weapon is actually concealed. If a liberal in a Costco sees it they will call the police. The police are going to want to get some of that "paid administrative leave" and will gun you down like a dog in the street. And then yell "Drop it! Drop it!" and put a few more rounds in you after you are dead for a good show.

I realize that all police aren't bad, but crap like this just pisses me off.

12 posted on 07/13/2010 4:14:40 AM PDT by Jaxter ("Pro Aris et Focis")
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To: marktwain

I’ve heard 3 different accounts of this story


13 posted on 07/13/2010 4:16:06 AM PDT by screaming eagle2 (no matter what you call it...a pre-owned vehicle IS STILL A USED CAR!)
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To: marktwain

I’ve heard 3 different accounts of this story


14 posted on 07/13/2010 4:16:09 AM PDT by screaming eagle2 (no matter what you call it...a pre-owned vehicle IS STILL A USED CAR!)
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To: marktwain

I’ve heard 3 different accounts of this story


15 posted on 07/13/2010 4:16:10 AM PDT by screaming eagle2 (no matter what you call it...a pre-owned vehicle IS STILL A USED CAR!)
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To: screaming eagle2
I’ve heard 3 different accounts of this story

One post for each version????????????????

16 posted on 07/13/2010 4:21:57 AM PDT by raybbr (Someone who invades another country is NOT an immigrant - illegal or otherwise.)
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To: Eye of Unk
I honestly hope many others see this the same as I do.

Nope. Regardless of what happened in the store, if the witnesses are correct then the police officers appear to have acted in a reckless and irresponsible manner in shooting this man. If their careers and their freedom are forfeit then it's due entirely to their own actions and not Costco.

On the other hand, a police officer in Oakland shoots and unarmed man in the back and kills him and gets off with manslaughter. Maybe these guys will get a California jury like that?

17 posted on 07/13/2010 4:22:25 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: screaming eagle2
“I’ve heard 3 different accounts of this story”

We all want to see the video. Many eye witness accounts are unreliable, and the police certainly have a compelling interest in showing that their account is the one the public accepts. Most police never have to shoot someone, so the fact that the senior officer in this case killed another person just a few years ago, and the other officers were relative rookies, is relevant.

18 posted on 07/13/2010 4:23:04 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: screaming eagle2

You’ve had three similar posts about this story...


19 posted on 07/13/2010 4:23:04 AM PDT by nevergore ("It could be that the purpose of my life is simply to serve as a warning to others.")
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To: Non-Sequitur

“On the other hand, a police officer in Oakland shoots and unarmed man in the back and kills him and gets off with manslaughter. Maybe these guys will get a California jury like that?”

An unarmed, handcuffed man with 2-3 officers in the immediate area.


20 posted on 07/13/2010 4:24:18 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: marktwain

“Many eye witness accounts are unreliable”

And yet all of the police seem to have the exact same story.


21 posted on 07/13/2010 4:25:34 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Eye of Unk

Silly to blame Costco in this instance. There seems to be no info on if there even was anyone destroying merchandise and if this part was made up by an employee then no amount of training would have prevented it because the employee is a head case.

Perhaps a better screening process but even that is not perfect.

I lay all the responsibility on the police in this instance since it appears all the eye witnesses seem to agree there was no weapon in the hand of the deceased and the police had no reason whatever to even draw their weapons much less discharge them in a lot crowded with shoppers.


22 posted on 07/13/2010 4:30:34 AM PDT by 101voodoo
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To: driftdiver
Are you suggesting that the cops might have tried to all stick to the same lie...uh oh
23 posted on 07/13/2010 4:32:40 AM PDT by thecabal (Destroy Progressivism)
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“Are you suggesting that the cops might have tried to all stick to the same lie.”

Yes I am saying they murdered this guy and are working to cover it up.


24 posted on 07/13/2010 4:36:16 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: marktwain

“So far, we only have a clerk’s word”

Well, somewhere I read another witness account who said the man was behaving normally in the store. Seems possible that the store employee who reported the destructive behavior may have just been trying to get the CCW guy in trouble after noticing he was carrying. That would be typical Lib style! The vids should tell the story, and if he was acting normally, the employee should be charged as an accomplice to murder! We’ll just have to wait and see/


25 posted on 07/13/2010 4:41:07 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: 101voodoo

I have a feeling Costco will admit the employee acted counter to the stores policies, the employee overly reacted and did not make an appropriate description of events to the 911 operator which led to the actions of the LEO’s.

One person cried fire in a theater or in this case yelled GUN!

All the more reason to conceal, and conceal properly, I used to live in LV, and during the summer its almost impossible to conceal unless you are wearing something inside an AC building such as a sports coat, during the summer its too easy to see an imprinted weapon.

I base how I conceal upon the weather condition, fortunately for me I live in a cool if not arctic climate.

(Alaska)


26 posted on 07/13/2010 4:41:18 AM PDT by Eye of Unk ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act" G.Orwell)
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To: marktwain; All

This is Erik’s father:

http://www.williambscott.com/williambscott.com/Home.html

About Erik:

“His father was in the Air Force, and his grandfather fought in World War II, friend Mike Pusateri said.

“The most loyal, honest, trustworthy, salt-of-the-earth guy you could meet,” said Pusateri, 38. “You only meet one or two of those kinds of guys in your life, and Erik is one of them.”
http://www.lvrj.com/news/slaying-of-army-veteran-shocks-friends-98223884.html


27 posted on 07/13/2010 4:55:09 AM PDT by toldyou (Even if the voices aren't real they have some pretty good ideas.)
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To: screaming eagle2

Does this make 9 altogether then?


28 posted on 07/13/2010 5:11:06 AM PDT by nkycincinnatikid
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To: 1_Rain_Drop

“I just thought of the girlfriend. She must be a basket case right now.”

Yeah, I hope it wasn’t her idea to go to Costco.


29 posted on 07/13/2010 5:15:59 AM PDT by PLMerite (The FR clock is now three minutes fast.)
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To: marktwain

I’d be willing to bet a buck that
“destruction of merchandise” = opening a box to check the contents.


30 posted on 07/13/2010 5:32:46 AM PDT by kanawa (Obama - "It's going to take a while for us to dig ourselves out of this hole.'')
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To: Eye of Unk
I demand compensation of no less than $25,000,000 to the family of the man killed, and I hope for more.

Only if it comes from those who are directly responsible - the employee who shouted "wolf" and the cops who pulled the triggers.

Also, the cops should be charged and convicted and serve maximum terms for MURDER, as they shot someone that presented no threat to them. Unjustified homicide.

31 posted on 07/13/2010 5:37:24 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: marktwain

If this account is accurate, these officers are guilty of murder in the first degree, and should be subjected to the death penalty.There is no mitigating circumstance in this account.His death seems premeditated, although there is no evidence of it, their conduct indicates it.


32 posted on 07/13/2010 5:38:17 AM PDT by Candor7 (Obama .......yes.......is fascist... ...He meets every diagnostic of history)
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To: driftdiver

Exact same story = collaboration. No good lawyer would not pursue this angle.


33 posted on 07/13/2010 5:39:07 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

There are cameras everywhere.

These better, for the sake of civil unrest, be released for public viewing.

Otherwise, they’re conspiring to cover up a murder.


34 posted on 07/13/2010 5:40:31 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: 1_Rain_Drop

Try shooting someone in the street for keying your car. Two set of rules even here in Nevada.


35 posted on 07/13/2010 5:40:39 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Playing by the rules only works if both sides do it!)
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To: marktwain

If there were video evidence supporting the Cops version of this story, it would have been made public immediately. The only reason it has not been shown in my opinion is to cover up the cold blooded murder of a private citizen by 3 thugs.


36 posted on 07/13/2010 6:02:18 AM PDT by eyeamok
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To: Jaxter

Too many police shouldn’t be allowed to carry deadly weapons. It’s a conundrum. You can’t be too smart and be a cop - you’d get too bored. So, you need basically stupid people, but then you allow them to open carry and terrorize the rest of the population.


37 posted on 07/13/2010 6:15:27 AM PDT by ichabod1 (Hitler Was Their Fate and their Fate Could Not Be Stayed. Von Braustitch.)
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To: Non-Sequitur

And maybe caucasians will riot?


38 posted on 07/13/2010 6:17:51 AM PDT by ichabod1 (Hitler Was Their Fate and their Fate Could Not Be Stayed. Von Braustitch.)
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Scott was crouched down with a backpack in front of him in a sporting goods aisle, the witness said. Scott had taken a large package of sport drink bottles off the shelf and placed it on the floor in front of him. He had torn open the package to get at the contents and was placing the bottles in and out of the backpack.

"It was like he was trying it out," the man said. "I think possibly he was trying to see if it would fit in his backpack."
link

39 posted on 07/13/2010 6:18:15 AM PDT by kanawa (Obama - "It's going to take a while for us to dig ourselves out of this hole.'')
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To: marktwain

I have seen the cops getting more and more out of control. Its a product of the brainwashing that has been going on for the last 50-100 years in schools. Instead of teaching independence and a disdain for authority that early Americans cherished, we are giving our liberties away legally and putting up with over zealous cops. A lot of them are coming back from hot zones overseas after serving, and forget this is not a war zone.

While i respect law and authority, i am becoming ever increasingly disturbed by behavior of LEOs all over this country. Most of them don’t give a flying-flip about Constitutional rights. The majority are well intentioned, but a badge doesn’t give you the right to do what ever you want. I’m not sure this applies in this case, but from the reports i’ve read, there was nothing warranting killing this man.


40 posted on 07/13/2010 6:20:51 AM PDT by ChinaThreat (3)
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To: eyeamok

Whenever I hear about a cop needlessly shooting others I remember Columbine HS. The armed cops sat outside while the unarmed students were inside; the cops cared more for their own safety than that of anyone else. During their hours of cowardice, a teacher bled to death.

When the students finally left the school, they did so in front of cops who trained their weapons on the innocent. Wow....I was impressed....not.

When cops get together, you can count on their stories getting together as well. As Columbine showed, they care for themselves more than anyone else.


41 posted on 07/13/2010 6:23:15 AM PDT by Loud Mime (Argue from the Constitution: Initialpoints.net)
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To: marktwain

I want to hear the 9-1-1 tape and see the Costco surveillance video that supports the Costco employee’s version of events.


42 posted on 07/13/2010 6:23:23 AM PDT by Chgogal (American Mugabe, get your arse out of my bank, my car, my doctor's office & my elec. utility.)
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To: marktwain
Store security called police Saturday afternoon to report a man destroying merchandise. The store was evacuated when security realized the man was armed.

“There was a lot of people running across the parking lot -- running across the street right down here. Must have been about 50-60 of them. A lot of them were crying, and it was scary,”


NOT to excuse the murder of Mr. Scott, but this would be an active and potentially confusing situation to enter as a LEO. Add to that the poor job most people do communicating to 911. Again, this DOES NOT excuse the (apparent) unjustified shooting of Mr. Scott, but it does add a level of complexity. The tragic irony is that the victim likely had the training to properly handle the situation whereas the LEOs obviously didn't.

43 posted on 07/13/2010 6:25:27 AM PDT by FourPeas (God Save America)
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To: marktwain

This sounds like typical cops shoot first, cover up later.


44 posted on 07/13/2010 6:27:14 AM PDT by GlockThe Vote
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To: Candor7

Honestly, until a few cops get personally bankrupted or hung in cases like this, nothing will change.


45 posted on 07/13/2010 6:29:03 AM PDT by GlockThe Vote
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To: marktwain

I hope those officers have consciences so guilty, that they can’t sleep. I hope they are tormented for taking an innocent life. It’s not Christian of me to do so, but that’s the way I feel. They need to be FIRED, pronto.


46 posted on 07/13/2010 6:29:40 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: FourPeas

As posted on another thread:

We need fewer cops on taxpayer dole and more citizens carrying. Crime rate would be down and fewer wrongful shootings would occur.


47 posted on 07/13/2010 6:30:34 AM PDT by Magnum44 (Terrorism is a disease, precise application of superior firepower is the cure)
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To: Candor7

“His death seems premeditated”

Cops in general don’t take kindly to ciitzens carrying weapons.


48 posted on 07/13/2010 6:30:40 AM PDT by Rennes Templar (Obama: A government to shove the people, deny the people, and ignore the people)
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To: ChinaThreat

I know personally about 5 cops and you are 100% correct.

They are thugs and have a street gang mentality and would roll you and beat you mercilessly for next to nothing.

Protect & Serve? YEAH RIGHT.


49 posted on 07/13/2010 6:31:54 AM PDT by GlockThe Vote
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To: marktwain

I would not want their job but I increasingly don’t trust cops. I believe they are being taught to distance themselves from treating the public like people and more like animals to be controlled.

The cops are so spooked that a traffic stop can turn out to be a life ending experience.

Frankly, it is feeling like we live in a police state. On the roads I travel there are not too few but too many cops and they all seem to be looking for someone to hassle. The more normal and innocent the better. No need to deal with the felons, hit on someone easy.


50 posted on 07/13/2010 6:33:41 AM PDT by Sequoyah101 (Half of the population is below average)
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