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Geert Wilders to take anti-Islam party global
The First Post ^ | 16 July 2010 | Eliot Sefton

Posted on 07/16/2010 9:45:23 AM PDT by Palter

Populist Dutch anti-Islam politician will launch his party in USA and UK

The anti-Muslim politician Geert Wilders, whose Freedom party (PVV) won 24 seats and third place in the Dutch national election last month, says he is forming international alliances to launch branches of his Islamophobic party across the Western world.

Almost 1.5m Dutch people voted for the PVV in June. Now Wilders, who is under constant 24-hour protection because of his incendiary public statements on Islam, has said he will start groups in the US, Canada, Britain, France and Germany later this year.

Wilders left the right-wing Liberal party (VVD), which came first in the recent general election with 31 seats, in 2004 in protest at their support for Turkey’s accession to the EU. He has since made his fierce opposition to Islam the central – and most frequently articulated – tenet of his new party.

Among other goals, he hopes his mooted international alliance will lead to a block on immigration from Islamic nations to the West and a ban on Sharia law.

Speaking to reporters at the Dutch parliament yesterday, Wilders said: "The message, 'stop Islam, defend freedom', is a message that's not only important for the Netherlands but for the whole free Western world."

He added: "The fight for freedom and [against] Islamisation as I see it is a worldwide phenomenon and problem to be solved."

Wilders equates Islam with fascism and, in speeches and a notorious short film, Fitna, expounds on the threat of violence he claims is inherent in the Koran. His rhetoric has led to him being charged under Dutch anti-hate laws - he will stand trial in October - and at one stage being refused entry to the UK, though a court overturned this.

Speaking about the UK yesterday, Wilders said his nascent organisation, dubbed the Geert Wilders International Freedom Alliance, would try to occupy the space between the Conservatives and the BNP, which he said was "racist" and "not my party". Wilders is often described as far-right but frequently stands up for gay and women's rights.

Reacting to Wilders yesterday, Ayhan Tonca, a well-known spokesman for Dutch Muslims, said he feared Wilders would meet with success as he spread his Islamophobic message. "So long as things are going badly with the economy, a lot of people always need a scapegoat," he said, calling on "well-meaning people in Europe to oppose this". 


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: crushislam; fascism; geertwilders; islam; islamicfascism; islamisation; islamofascism; korananimals; netherlands; wilders
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1 posted on 07/16/2010 9:45:26 AM PDT by Palter
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To: Palter

Oh, yeah. Great thinking Geert. As an expert in American politics it is the right thing to split the vote in a 2 party system. /sarc

Stupid Dutch. Language sounds like a fart in a bathtub anyway.


2 posted on 07/16/2010 9:48:28 AM PDT by Mere Survival (The time to fight was yesterday but now will have to do.)
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To: Palter

God bless and keep him.


3 posted on 07/16/2010 9:48:34 AM PDT by mancini
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To: Palter
Islamophobic

I hate propaganda "journalists". Anyone who isn't "Islamophobic" is retarded.

4 posted on 07/16/2010 9:48:55 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Who allowed the worst oil pollution disaster in American history and did nothing?)
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To: Palter
Reacting to Wilders yesterday, Ayhan Tonca, a well-known spokesman for Dutch Muslims, said he feared Wilders would meet with success as he spread his Islamophobic message. "So long as things are going badly with the economy, a lot of people always need a scapegoat," he said, calling on "well-meaning people in Europe to oppose this".

How long until we hear Ayhan Tonca has sawed his wife's head off for looking at him wrong or some such thing?

5 posted on 07/16/2010 9:49:42 AM PDT by xjcsa (Ridiculing the ridiculous since the day I was born.)
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To: Palter

“his Islamaphobic party”

Every time you don’t like something now, you are “-phobic.”

I guess it’s just not possible to oppose something. You have to be afraid of it.


6 posted on 07/16/2010 9:56:01 AM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: Palter
Now Wilders, who is under constant 24-hour protection because of his incendiary public statements on Islam

Do Dutch words have some boomerang effect where if someone says them they can swing around and cause physical injury to the speaker? Or is the author too scared to say that Muslims don't like what he is saying and might kill Wilders too because of their hatred?

7 posted on 07/16/2010 9:58:58 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Gun control was originally to protect Klansmen from their victims. The basic reason hasn't changed.)
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To: Palter
he is forming international alliances to launch branches of his Islamophobic party across the Western world.

I don't see them refer to Islam as "freedom-phobic" or "civilization-phobic" but they should.

Opposing totalitarianism isn't a phobia. Its what you do if you love freedom and you aren't completely gutless.

8 posted on 07/16/2010 9:59:57 AM PDT by marron
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To: Persevero
Not just fear, but an irrational fear. I guess we are teaching children carophobia when we tell them not to play on the interstate because they will likely be run over.
9 posted on 07/16/2010 10:00:29 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Gun control was originally to protect Klansmen from their victims. The basic reason hasn't changed.)
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To: KarlInOhio

Personally, I think most of the powers that be are suffering from Christophobia.


10 posted on 07/16/2010 10:02:13 AM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: Palter

I’d like to see an honest and intellectually rigorous movement aimed at the destruction of Islam worldwide. Other religions can all peacefully coexist side by side, but Islam is not capable of this.

I’ve got no quarrel with most Muslims themselves, but they are shackled to a false and culturally cancerous faith that must be stopped. It’s us or them.


11 posted on 07/16/2010 10:03:21 AM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: Palter
Might have some use in countries with systems that allocate representatives by the percentage of the vote. It will do little in the USA except to be a fly trap for federal law enforcement who view any perceived "radical" group to be a threat.

I'm sure that the tea party, minutemen and other organizations are riddled with LEOs. So much for true freedom of assembly.
12 posted on 07/16/2010 10:05:25 AM PDT by StolarStorm
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To: Palter

Wilders accuses Islam of being violent and, coincidentally, apparently unrelated, has to be guarded 24 hours a day to keep him from being murdered by muslims.

Its his own fault for accusing them of being violent. Violence is not inherent in Islam; if you don’t oppose them they usually won’t murder you. Or in any case not that many of you.


13 posted on 07/16/2010 10:05:38 AM PDT by marron
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To: Palter
Sorry to go against the grain, but anti-Islamism will not be effective. The crusades have already been tried. They didn't work. Charles Martel fought the Islamics off in Tours, but they are now streaming into Paris. Jefferson sent the USMC to fight them on the shores of Tripoli, but they are building mosques at ground zero in New York.

I suggest something much more simple. Encourage people to commit their lives to Jesus Christ and then teach them witness to muslims. Make Islamics into disciples who also follow Jesus Christ, get them baptized and teach them to spread the good news. It works everytime it is tried.

14 posted on 07/16/2010 10:05:59 AM PDT by Guyin4Os (A messianic ger-tsedek)
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To: Mere Survival
As an expert in American politics it is the right thing to split the vote in a 2 party system. /sarc

Which part is the sarc tag for, being an expert or splitting the vote? Or both?

You are either with Islam or against it, there is no middle, moderate, or turning the other cheek. Islam will have it's religious war.

15 posted on 07/16/2010 10:09:08 AM PDT by existtoexcel
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To: existtoexcel

Both. Splitting the conservative vote with some dutch party is stupid.


16 posted on 07/16/2010 10:12:14 AM PDT by Mere Survival (The time to fight was yesterday but now will have to do.)
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To: Palter

He hasn’t hardly achieved anything in The Netherlands yet. Why doesn’t he focus there instead?


17 posted on 07/16/2010 10:16:12 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: Palter
...says he is forming international alliances to launch branches of his Islamophobic party across the Western world.

Was American considered Naziphobic during WWII?

18 posted on 07/16/2010 10:16:27 AM PDT by Cowboy Bob (Liberalism and Patriotism cannot coexist.)
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To: Ramius
Well said, Ramius. Islam is a totalitarian political ideology masquerading as a religion.

The first thing we need to do is legally strip Islam of first amendment protection because it is not a religion. Then we need to ban the practice of Islam because it is a anti-constituional attempt to strip away the foundations of republican institutions guaranteed to each state by the US Constitution.

Islam under Sharia Law is the modern day equivalent of totalitarian communism and needs to be treated as such. Of course, none of this will happen until the Muslums take over a political jurisdiction in this country and start honor killing, Jews, women and homos and engage in forced conversion they way they did to Fox News reporter Centani a few yrs ago!

19 posted on 07/16/2010 10:22:17 AM PDT by mick (Central Banker Capitalism is NOT Free Enterprise)
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To: Palter

Geert is 100% right on about t he fascist part. Where do I sign up?


20 posted on 07/16/2010 10:22:56 AM PDT by Candor7 (Obama .......yes.......is fascist... ...He meets every diagnostic of history)
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To: Guyin4Os

“It works everytime it is tried.”

Sorry to disagree, but often the Christians get killed for their troubles.

Extermination of a threatening population/community/whatever does work.

Should any doubt this, look up Carthage’s destruction by Rome.

Islam Delenda Est - because Islam forces us to do it.


21 posted on 07/16/2010 10:29:20 AM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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To: GladesGuru
Islam Delenda Est

Love that...great historical tie in !!

22 posted on 07/16/2010 10:37:36 AM PDT by mick (Central Banker Capitalism is NOT Free Enterprise)
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To: GladesGuru
Islam Delenda Est

Love that...great historical tie in !!

23 posted on 07/16/2010 10:37:36 AM PDT by mick (Central Banker Capitalism is NOT Free Enterprise)
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To: Guyin4Os

The Crusades weren’t an option. It wasn’t us who started them. It was the same as always. Fight or submit.


24 posted on 07/16/2010 10:53:29 AM PDT by BenKenobi (We cannot do everything at once, but we can do something at once. -Silent Cal)
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To: Palter
"His rhetoric has led to him being charged under Dutch anti-hate laws - he will stand trial in October"

I thank God all the time for being in a country where I have the right of free speech and to keep and bear arms to protect all of my other rights he gave me.
25 posted on 07/16/2010 10:54:23 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden (u)
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To: Persevero

Because “phobic” means unreasoning fear, which plays into the myth that if we only understood Islam, homosexuality, perversity, etc., we’d embrace it.

Bravo Sierra.

Colonel, USAFR


26 posted on 07/16/2010 10:54:55 AM PDT by jagusafr ("We hold these truths to be self-evident...")
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To: Guyin4Os
"I suggest something much more simple. Encourage people to commit their lives to Jesus Christ and then teach them witness to muslims."

When you use your first amendment rights to go witness to those Muslims, I suggest you avail yourself to your second amendment rights before going. Just in case it does not go as well as you might think...
27 posted on 07/16/2010 10:55:57 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden (u)
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To: Mere Survival
Oh, yeah. Great thinking Geert. As an expert in American politics it is the right thing to split the vote in a 2 party system. /sarc Stupid Dutch. Language sounds like a fart in a bathtub anyway.

The Netherlands is a Parliamentary system with many small parties forming coalition governments. If you know nothing of a country's political system, you should should shut up and do some research.
Aside from Frisian, the Dutch speak the language closest to English.

Aside from your hatred of the Dutch, what would you do if liberals had taken over a "conservative" party and were pushing a liberal agenda and selecting candidates who support replacing your nation with another?

28 posted on 07/16/2010 10:58:17 AM PDT by rmlew (There is no such thing as a Blue Dog Democrat; just a liberals who lies.)
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To: Palter

Coming from a parlimentary system of government, I’m guessing he does not fully understand a republican form of government. If he did, he would realize that it is best to work within the existing party(s), more specifically the only sane one left than to start a new party.


29 posted on 07/16/2010 10:58:49 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden (u)
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To: Guyin4Os
They are streaming into Europe not from the strength of Islam but the treason of the European elite who do so by unpopular laws.

I suggest something much more simple. Encourage people to commit their lives to Jesus Christ and then teach them witness to muslims. Make Islamics into disciples who also follow Jesus Christ, get them baptized and teach them to spread the good news. It works everytime it is tried.
Pure idiocy. This is dhimmitude or death.

30 posted on 07/16/2010 11:02:02 AM PDT by rmlew (There is no such thing as a Blue Dog Democrat; just a liberals who lies.)
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To: Old Teufel Hunden

‘more specifically the only sane one left than to start a new party.’

I dunno, I have no faith in any party here. Perhaps a ‘new’ one might eventually become a ‘old’ one.


31 posted on 07/16/2010 11:03:15 AM PDT by Palter (Kilroy was here.)
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Good for Geert. The Western world needs to have a real conversation about the topic.

Some people, including Iranians who have come to our country are cultural muslims- not too much of a choice, so it’s easier to ‘pass’ as a muslim. However, they and many from other nations migrated to Western nations to get away from the totalitarian system otherwise known as Islam. However, many are die-hards and desire a Sharia umma. Others aren’t killers, but desire a Sharia umma and donate generously.

Another issue that must be addressed is the varying level of social benefits provided to the public. A large percentage of migrants in Europe don’t work, never have, are a drain on the system, don’t assimilate, and have ‘spare’ wives scattered about who are drawing benefits as ‘single’ mothers...meanwhile, they continue to reproduce.

If the left succeeds in getting DOMA tossed out, just wait until the polygamists are lining up with four wives and wanting WIC, etc. for all.

It’s not PC to say these things, but I think the concerns are legitimate.


32 posted on 07/16/2010 11:03:43 AM PDT by FreeStateYank (I want my country and constitution back, now!)
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To: rmlew

Uh, he’s setting up the party here in the USA rm “halfcocked.”


33 posted on 07/16/2010 11:04:06 AM PDT by Mere Survival (The time to fight was yesterday but now will have to do.)
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To: Candor7

Yah, splitting the vote in the USA with it’s two party system is a great idea. /Sarc

This lowers my opinion of him tremedously. He’s just out for the money if this is going to be a political party.


34 posted on 07/16/2010 11:05:46 AM PDT by Mere Survival (The time to fight was yesterday but now will have to do.)
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To: rmlew

Man, I can’t describe how dumb your post is on a public thread. I hope you just didn’t read carefully. Geert is setting up the party in the USA not Holland. Splitting the conservative vote in the USA shows an ignorance on the part of Geert — that this is not a parliamentary system — not me.


35 posted on 07/16/2010 11:08:20 AM PDT by Mere Survival (The time to fight was yesterday but now will have to do.)
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To: Mere Survival

Splittinng the vote? One would think it would enhance the conservative vote on the Republican side.


36 posted on 07/16/2010 11:08:55 AM PDT by Candor7 (Obama .......yes.......is facist... ...He meets every diagnostic of history)
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To: Candor7

Not if it’s a political party which is what this article says. I hope it’s just written poorly. Like how some people think the Tea Party is an actual political party.


37 posted on 07/16/2010 11:11:02 AM PDT by Mere Survival (The time to fight was yesterday but now will have to do.)
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To: Mere Survival
You assune he will start a successfulparty o his own in the USA. More like he will force the Republican party to adopt his position in their platform.
38 posted on 07/16/2010 11:12:02 AM PDT by Candor7 (Obama .......yes.......is facist... ...He meets every diagnostic of history)
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To: Candor7

I don’t see why that is more likely. He is apparently ignorant of the US political system and is treating it like a parliamentary system with proportional voting. England is also a first past the post system (I think) so his party will undermine the most conservative candidates there as well.


39 posted on 07/16/2010 11:16:38 AM PDT by Mere Survival (The time to fight was yesterday but now will have to do.)
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To: Palter

The anti-Muslim politician Geert Wilders, whose Freedom party (PVV) won 24 seats and third place in the Dutch national election last month, says he is forming international alliances to launch branches of his Islamophobic party across the Western world.


“Islamophobic”... That’s not slanted... not a bit.


40 posted on 07/16/2010 11:16:43 AM PDT by ScottinVA (The West needs to act NOW to aggressively treat its metastasizing islaminoma!)
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To: Mere Survival

I doubt it. If he sets up a party in the USA, it will not garner very many votes at all if they even run candidates. Obama will destroy the attempt, so it is more likely that his position stands a better chance to be part of the Republican platform. He does not have any expertise on US politics as you say.


41 posted on 07/16/2010 11:19:54 AM PDT by Candor7 (Obama .......yes.......is facist... ...He meets every diagnostic of history)
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To: Mere Survival
Oh, yeah. Great thinking Geert.

However, the PVV can grow to the point it can develop coalitions with the other conservative parties and create a ruling alliance.

Then, they can remove the knuckledragging vermin from their land.

42 posted on 07/16/2010 11:22:03 AM PDT by ScottinVA (The West needs to act NOW to aggressively treat its metastasizing islaminoma!)
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To: Persevero

I guess that makes me “liverphobic” huh?


43 posted on 07/16/2010 11:35:26 AM PDT by rfreedom4u ("A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government.")
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To: Palter

I don’t support one issue parties but if he thinks it can work power to him. I’m getting a little tired of everything being described as a phobia when individuals oppose something. There is nothing irrational in opposition to radical Islam.


44 posted on 07/16/2010 11:43:21 AM PDT by Maelstorm (This country was not founded with the battle cry "give me liberty or give me a govt check!")
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To: Candor7

The Dems and media will be behind any 3rd party that draws votes from conservatives. 1% will be the difference in close races . . .


45 posted on 07/16/2010 11:44:22 AM PDT by Mere Survival (The time to fight was yesterday but now will have to do.)
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To: ScottinVA

Not the way the American system works. First past the post is a two party system.


46 posted on 07/16/2010 11:45:18 AM PDT by Mere Survival (The time to fight was yesterday but now will have to do.)
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To: Mere Survival
Even if Geert started today, he would not have a party in place by 2012 that could do a thing IMHO, no matter how much Dem support he has. It would cost him more millions than he can raise.

Geert is defining the Obama Junta as fascist., That needs to be done. I am all for it.

What Geert is interested is a movement against Islamofascism. He has everything he can do to keep his own party expansion in the Netherlands.I think you are overly reactive to the idea.Geert;s ideas need to be canvased because no American party is doing itm and anything that expands awareness of the fascist roots of the Obama Junta is good IMHO.

47 posted on 07/16/2010 11:54:23 AM PDT by Candor7 (Obama .......yes.......is facist... ...He meets every diagnostic of history)
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To: Candor7

I’m all for Geert if it’s an issue advocacy group, but if this article is right and he’s talking a “party” as in political then it’s dangerous, unfortunately. If anyone knows him make sure he understands American politics before he gets used.


48 posted on 07/16/2010 12:18:54 PM PDT by Mere Survival (The time to fight was yesterday but now will have to do.)
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To: Palter

“Islamophobic”

Is that an aversion to being blown up or a fear of seeing an airplane coming at one on the 85th floor?


49 posted on 07/16/2010 12:41:28 PM PDT by RoadTest (Religion is a substitute for the relationship God wants with you.)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER
I hate propaganda "journalists". Anyone who isn't "Islamophobic" is retarded.

Whether you agree with all of Wilders' stands or not, he has got one BIG issue on the money.
50 posted on 07/16/2010 12:42:58 PM PDT by BigEdLB (Now there ARE 1,000,000 regrets - but it may be too late.)
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