Posted on 07/20/2010 7:29:01 AM PDT by NYer
The final meltdown of Mel Gibson has come at a convenient time for Catholic-baiters in the media. The guy threatens violence against women, he’s a racist and he’s a CATHOLIC! Here’s Lucy Mangan in The Guardian, stooping almost as low as Gibson:
Received wisdom is that Gibson cannot recover from this. But one course is still open to him. If ever priesthood beckoned a man, it is surely now. At least he apparently saves his violence for adult females.
And if you don’t understand that last dig, let me point you to Times columnist Caitlin Moran, who explained on Thursday that the Catholic Church “f**** kids”.
The slurs against Catholics being put about liberal journalists aren’t far removed from Protocols territory, if you ask me. But dragging Gibson into this rancid rhetoric doesn’t work, for a simple reason.
He’s not a Catholic.
In fact, Mel Gibson is in some respects the opposite of a Catholic, since one of the themes of his fake Catholicism is that the Pope isn’t the Pope. Admittedly, Mel’s own theology tends to morph like a shape-shifting lizard, depending on how hung over he is, but in so far as he’s anything he’s a sedevacantist like his father, Hutton Gibson.
Sedevacantists regard the Second Vatican Council as so obviously evil that it must have been the work of Satan, and therefore the Pope who called it and his successors aren’t really Popes. Gibson Senior once reportedly described John Paul II as “Garrulous Karolus the Koran kisser” and has put about the notion that the last real Pope was secretly elected at the 1958 conclave but forced to resign in favour of anti-pope John XIII. But then old man Gibson never met a conspiracy theory he didn’t like; hence his well-documented Holocaust and 9/11 revisionism.
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“with Roman Catholicism just happening to be the place he hangs his hat.”
Incorrect. Google SSPX and see the difference.
“There was more blood, from what I hear, in Passion of the Christ, than in most bloody Islamic rituals involving self-flagellation.”
Being whipped, scourged, and crucified is like that, a tad bloody.
Thank you. You took the bottom line and exposed the truth.
If he lost both legs Mel’s critics would muster some slack and sympathy, but never for internal sufferings not seen by the eye. Disorders of the mind and spirit are still scorned, judged and mocked by the standard of outward symtoms, in our supposed “enlightened” society. I feel terribly sorry for this gifted man, and it is frequently the gifted who do suffer from bipolar disorder.
Praying for the creator of THE PASSION.
Liberal Hollywood sharpened its knives for him when he brought out “The Patriot,” a total departure from their values. Since then it’s been a series of brutal muggings of his work in the MSM. Over my life I’ve met a hundred Irish barflies who didn’t talk or act any differently than Mel, God bless them and their songs and stories. The righteous might quake in terror of this spectre haunting the nation’s bar rooms and taverns and corrupting the youth, but it’s true.
While there can be good reason to question the morality of some of Mr. Gibson’s personal behavior - because of what we have been told so far, I think the high level of public angst about that question stems from a grave sin by a majority of the public; which is the sin of buying into the idol worship industries to begin with; making celebrities to be worshiped and “moral” examples of mere actors and entertainers.
I think the entire world would be better off if all anyone knew, personally about an artist was their art. We would be free to judge their art on its own merits and free to let God judge their lives. Knowing only their art and not asked to worship them, they would not be living in an idol-worshiping fishbowl and so many people wouldn’t be trying to join them there.
SSPX? in you family? really?
Notice anything funny about their attitude towards the pope?
jewish people?...
...Hmmm...let me guess, you really, really love the Novus Ordo church, right?
...you are aware that Benedict and the SSPX have been in talks concerning reconciliation, are you not? Sure sounds like they have a funny attitude toward the Pope, sitting down with him face to face to try and work out the ridiculous mess foisted n the Church by Paul VI and his flunky Bugnini...
How did I know this was coming. Ever heard of John the Baptist? He was before the reformation that produced Protestants. We baptist follow the tradition of John the Baptist — we going to dunk you good in the water. We were before the Protestant Reformation, therefore we are not Protestants.
SSPX? in you family? really?Notice anything funny about their attitude towards the pope? jewish people?
Why engage in such generalised stereotypes? Surely you realise that we Catholics, of all types, are being treated in just this way by the world at large. Does it seem just to you? I don't think it is.
The SSPX are in talks with the Holy Father, who has been very generous in his language regarding that group. I have not heard anything from him suggesting that they are not Catholic. And smears of anti-semitism are so cliche and common these days I can't help but disregard them entirely. Oh, I know, people will point out the crazy Bishop Williamson as somehow representative. I would only counter that if that holds true then of course the Catholic Church must be founded on sexual abuse of children. After all, I have no doubt that I can find many, many more bishops and priests associated with abuse in the Catholic Church than you could holocaust denying bishops and priests in the SSPX.
” Mel Gibson is not a threat to my country, my finances, nor to my life...
Ergo, what he does, thinks, says is irrelevant, and a convenient distraction for those that ARE all of the above. “
I worry about people like Shabazz, who wants to kill all white people. Of course, he gets no press.
JP II declared SSPX adherents to be in schism and their leaders excommunicated in Ecclesia Dei. As Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger (then running the Holy Office), Benedict XVI signed off on the excommunications as did Bernardin Cardinal Gantin of Dahomey, head of the Congregation for Bishops. Has B-XVI formally withdrawn the excommunications and the declaration of schism??? If you claim that B-XVI himself has done so, please document the claim. Castrillon de Hoyos and his subordinate bureaucrats are not popes and lacked the authority to whitewash SSPX. As head of the Holy Office, B-XVI “had discussions” with his onetime professor Hans Kung but not to Kung’s relief. Quite the contrary.
I don’t have to rely on generalized stereotypes. I experienced it.
“...Hmmm...let me guess, you really, really love the Novus Ordo church, right?”
If you are asking me if I am a catholic - the answer is yes.
All I remember is Norvus Ordo - as that is all that is offered in the parish I grew up in.
However - I am very open to attending latin mass, and plan on doing so - just in an schismatic church.
“...you are aware that Benedict and the SSPX have been in talks concerning reconciliation, are you not?”
Yes I am.
“Sure sounds like they have a funny attitude toward the Pope, sitting down with him face to face to try and work out the ridiculous mess foisted n the Church by Paul VI and his flunky Bugnini...”
Uh huh - they sure do.
Go to their forums and have a little chat with them.
Oh wait - are you already there? ;)
Of course, we are confusing matters a bit.
The Gibsons are not SSPX.
Here is Hutton’s site
LOL!
Make that “not” in a schismatic church.
“You’d think that somebody who believes the Pope is an anti-Pope would be understood as not being Catholic...yet ignorance is bliss.”
exactly.
It’s difficult on these threads- usually everyone wants to start doctrinal debate.
That’s not my intention.
It’s quite simple.
The guy is not a member of the catholic church.
Sigh, we’ve got SSPXers in our family as well. A couple of priests, a nun and countless members. It’s sad, because they are so angry, really in the end that’s the only way to describe it. And yes, the Jews are the root of all the world’s problems in their eyes.
Bizarre.
angry - yes. Probably the best way to describe it.
Lots and lots of anger.
Sort of like Mel.
I know he’s not SSPX, but their outlook is very similar.
“towards jewish people?”
Yeah. The attitude is disgusting.
Frankly.
Mel Gibson belongs of to splinter sect of the Catholic Church run by his father who denounces the changes made by the Second Vatican Council. Still, Gibson is a Catholic and this has prompted Bill Donohue to come to his defense. In a press release by the Catholic League, Donohue implies that Gibson is the victim of anti-Catholic bigotry. He goes on to blame “Secular Jews” for “fomenting anti-Catholicism” and trying to equate any and all criticism of the actions and beliefs of the Catholic Church with anti-Semitism and racism.
http://www.examiner.com/x-8928-Philadelphia-Atheism-Examiner~y2010m7d19-Catholic-Watch-Donohue-defends-Mel-Gibson-and-calls-Leno-a-bigot
Born on Jan. 3, 1956 in Peekskill, NY, Gibson was raised by his father, Hutton, a railroad brakeman who was a leading figure in the ultra-conservative Catholic splinter group, The Alliance for Catholic Traditions, and his mother, Ann. After falling from a train and injuring his back, Gibson’s father won a workman’s compensation suit against New York Central Railroad in 1968 and moved the family to Sydney, Australia soon after. During his high school years, Gibson attended St. Leo’s Catholic College, an all-boys school founded by the Congregation of Christian Brothers
http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/contributor/1800019113/bio
Vat 2 was after Mels birth in 1956 in 1962...so Mel has that indelible mark on his soul from his Catholic baptism ...Catholics have to deal with that ....
“We prayed for the success of “Passion,” however, we did not pray for Mel.”
I couldn’t agree more. The devil and the liberal media absolutely HATE what Mel Gibson did with the Passion of the Christ.
God only knows how many thousands (perhaps millions) of people accepted Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior as a result of watching that movie. Mel Gibson might very well be the most successful evangelist (in terms of bringing numbers people to Christ) of all time.
After the “Passion” I remember Mel talked about wanting to direct other Biblical movies - I would really like to see him do this. I’ve always thought that he alone could make a movie about abortion that would make it so real and personal it could literally help to overturn Roe v. Wade in this country.
From the time the “Passion” was released, Satan and the liberals have recognized what a threat Mel is to the kingdom of darkness and have tried to take him out in any way possible.
Mel Gibson needs our prayers right now and not our criticism. He has been used mightily by God - and I believe can be restored, with a great testimony of God’s grace, and continue to do what the Lord has gifted him to do.
Please pray for him.
He is Catholic just like all those Catholics sitting in the evangelical/”non-denominational”/Pentecostal/protestant YOPIS flavor of the week. Meaning he is one of us, but has separated from us and put himself above the Church as authority on truth. It is the way of sin and ignorance.
He is under attack from powers and dominions that hate all of us and his father set him on a sedevacantist foundation of sand. In that sand pit he has, not unlike old Henry VIII, created his own church and congregation to rubber stamp his actions and tell him he is doing right. Let us all hope that through all this God will protect him and show him the folly of his ways. He has great talent and would be a powerful tool for spreading the Gospel if only he repents and turns back to the narrow path.
Hey, I have an idea! You’re going to love this.
See, the Protestants and the Catholics aren’t fighting enough here. So what WE need is a way to get the Catholics to fight THEMSELVES!
If we can create a three-way argument, with the Protestants, the Catholics and the erm... Catholics, then we can REALLY spice things up.
Besides, who gives a flip about the whole “Unity in Christ” nonsense? That’s just a talking point. The REAL excitement is in religious anger.
......yep.
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