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Billboards Feature Man Killed by Las Vegas Police (Costco Shooting)
8 News NOW ^ | JUL 23, 2010 5:37 PM CDT | 8newsnow.com

Posted on 07/24/2010 5:01:55 AM PDT by show me state

LAS VEGAS -- Friends and family of Erik Scott, the man shot to death at a Costco store by Las Vegas police, are taking their message to roadside billboards.

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"The hard drives containing Costco's surveillance video were sent to a lab in California for forensic work. Police say there is a glitch in the surveillance system that hasn't allowed them to view the video. Police say it could take weeks for the video to be seen if the incident was even captured on camera."
1 posted on 07/24/2010 5:01:58 AM PDT by show me state
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To: show me state
Police say there is a glitch in the surveillance system that hasn't allowed them to view the video. Police say it could take weeks for the video to be seen if the incident was even captured on camera.

Of course there was a glitch. Of course.

2 posted on 07/24/2010 5:04:14 AM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: pnh102

Put a raw image of the drive on the internet. Geeks will have it ferreted out in at most a couple of days.


3 posted on 07/24/2010 5:05:26 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: show me state

Some FReepers predicted something like that would happen.


4 posted on 07/24/2010 5:07:06 AM PDT by Nickname
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To: show me state

“glitch” (wink, wink, nod.....


5 posted on 07/24/2010 5:10:15 AM PDT by tioga
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To: show me state

Watch the video at the link. Upper right corner.


6 posted on 07/24/2010 5:13:14 AM PDT by HighWheeler
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To: pnh102
"LAS VEGAS -- Family and friends of the man gunned down by police officers two weeks ago outside a Costco in Summerlin are taking their message to the streets.

Erik Scott, 38, died after three police officers fired seven bullets into him. Police said Scott had a gun aimed at them, but some witnesses said they either didn’t see a gun in Scott’s hand or it was in its holster.

Scott, a West Point graduate, had a permit to carry a concealed firearm, family and friend said."

7 posted on 07/24/2010 5:19:16 AM PDT by HighWheeler
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To: show me state

Appears to be quite a flamefest at the originating site.

Tangentially to this, I wonder if the “possibly destroying merchandise” was the customer simply being klutzy and knocking tightly shelved items to the floor, or knocking them over on the shelf then knocking them to the floor while attempting to set them right, in the larger process of trying to examine items among them? I don’t go to Costco, but Walgreens is a good example of a place where the shelving is like that. I have the dexterity of an experienced pianist and still knock those darn Band-Aid and aspirin boxes over, or to the floor. It’s easy to see how a scenario of bad luck and everyone involved assuming the worst and fumbling like Keystone Kops could bring about a senseless disaster like this.


8 posted on 07/24/2010 5:23:44 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Tangentially to this, I wonder if the “possibly destroying merchandise” was the customer simply being klutzy and knocking tightly shelved items to the floor, or knocking them over on the shelf then knocking them to the floor while attempting to set them right, in the larger process of trying to examine items among them?

According to one of the witnesses, the victim had broken open a case of sports drinks and was fitting them into a backpack, obviously trying to find out how many the backpack would hold. His actions were deliberate, and while they may have qualified him as being a bit of a jerk I don't think they were worth killing him over.

9 posted on 07/24/2010 5:28:18 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: show me state

West Point grad? Doesn’t sound like your typical worthless punk criminal.Unless this was a suicide by cop or he was drunk or high at the time this doesn’t sound very good for the cops from what little I’ve seen.


10 posted on 07/24/2010 5:37:18 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (''I don't regret setting bombs,I feel we didn't do enough.'' ->Bill Ayers,Hussein's mentor,9/11/01)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
You make a good point about how easy it is to knock things off the tightly packed shelves in a grocery store. The worst seems to be when I reach for a jar of jelly. Not only are they lined up right next to each other but then they stack them on top of each other nearly up against the upper shelf. There's no room for fingers to pick one up. I don't know why I've never dropped one.

I hope they've got video of inside the store so people can see what destruction was going on. Probably one dropped item, if that, and a nutty manager who created this whole tragic mess.

11 posted on 07/24/2010 5:38:08 AM PDT by Shannon
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Breaking open a box would have been wrong and possibly a reason for Costco to summon their security staff, but many sports drink packs come in plastic yokes, and individual drinks can be slipped out of and back into the yokes. What a tragedy of errors, even if nobody had malice.


12 posted on 07/24/2010 5:38:42 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: HiTech RedNeck

“....I wonder if the “possibly destroying merchandise” was the customer simply being klutzy and knocking tightly shelved items to the floor, or knocking them over on the shelf then knocking them to the floor...”

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An earlier article said he opened a set of water bottles to see if the bottles would fit in a cooler. The story said “...Store security called police Saturday afternoon to report a man destroying merchandise. The store was evacuated when security realized the man was armed.”


13 posted on 07/24/2010 5:46:11 AM PDT by HighWheeler
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To: Gay State Conservative
It isn't good for the cops. Scott was there with his fiancee buying things because they were moving in together. His father is William B Scott. There are early articles posted on FR with witness statements that disagree with the cops scenario.
14 posted on 07/24/2010 5:46:32 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Apparently there was malice on the part of Costco employees. I advise you to read the earlier articles.


15 posted on 07/24/2010 5:49:45 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Breaking open a box would have been wrong and possibly a reason for Costco to summon their security staff, but many sports drink packs come in plastic yokes, and individual drinks can be slipped out of and back into the yokes.

Not at box stores like Costco. You buy in bulk, and packages of things like Gatorade come in 30 or 36 bottle cases encased in shrink-wrapped plastic wrapping. Once broken open they can't be repackaged and sold, it's a loss to the store. Like I said, breaking it open for your own experiment may have been the act of a jackass but was hardly threatening. And certainly not worth killing over.

16 posted on 07/24/2010 5:50:45 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Breaking open a box would have been wrong and possibly a reason for Costco to summon their security staff, but many sports drink packs come in plastic yokes, and individual drinks can be slipped out of and back into the yokes.

Not at box stores like Costco. You buy in bulk, and packages of things like Gatorade come in 30 or 36 bottle cases encased in shrink-wrapped plastic wrapping. Once broken open they can't be repackaged and sold, it's a loss to the store. Like I said, breaking it open for your own experiment may have been the act of a jackass but was hardly threatening. And certainly not worth killing over.

17 posted on 07/24/2010 5:50:50 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: show me state
Gee, of course Erik Scott needed to be gunned down

He had the audacity to feel like he was a free man to walk around with a permitted weapon on his person

This whole event would be covered and handled entirely differently if Mr. Scoot was a minority

18 posted on 07/24/2010 5:51:15 AM PDT by Popman (Why does the New Black Panther Party want to kill saltines ?)
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To: DJ MacWoW

I wonder if the Costco employee is feeling pangs of guilt about hyperbolically ratcheting up a negligible incident that lead directly to this man’s death?


19 posted on 07/24/2010 5:53:51 AM PDT by HighWheeler
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To: show me state

Of course there is a glitch, always something.

This may be a smoldering spark that is unreachable to extinguish, its not going away, the LV police should come clean on this.


20 posted on 07/24/2010 5:55:03 AM PDT by Eye of Unk ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act" G.Orwell)
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To: Non-Sequitur

If that’s the case, then the store manager should have made him pay for the merchandise, and not pay with his life.


21 posted on 07/24/2010 5:56:03 AM PDT by HighWheeler
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To: HighWheeler
I wonder if the Costco employee is feeling pangs of guilt about hyperbolically ratcheting up a negligible incident that lead directly to this man’s death?

I hope so but wouldn't bet on it.

22 posted on 07/24/2010 5:58:47 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: HighWheeler
If that’s the case, then the store manager should have made him pay for the merchandise, and not pay with his life.

An article said a store employee helped him put the stuff in his cart while another employee was around the corner on a bluetooth telling police a man with a gun was destroying merchandise.

23 posted on 07/24/2010 6:01:09 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: DJ MacWoW

Or, a ditzy clerk panicked over a misbehaving customer when she spotted his quite legally toted weapon. What is the saying, don’t ascribe to malice what you can ascribe to stupidity? So instead of store security going over to have a word with the fellow (like “you damaged that, you are going to have to buy it”) there ensued a frantic Kabuki dance ending with confusion and a shooting.


24 posted on 07/24/2010 6:02:45 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: DJ MacWoW

Well well, the concept of keystone kop can extend to store clerks too? Who knew?


25 posted on 07/24/2010 6:04:38 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: DJ MacWoW

That’s the kind of thing that God worries about and we shouldn’t.


26 posted on 07/24/2010 6:06:05 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: HighWheeler
I wonder if the Costco employee is feeling pangs of guilt about hyperbolically ratcheting up a negligible incident that lead directly to this man’s death?

It's said that he was damaging merchandise...meaning he was taking individual items from their packaging.If true (and that could be easily confirmed,IMO) that could be grounds for calling store security...perhaps even the police.If a "wrong" has been committed here (distinctly possible,IMO) then it seems it was the cops who are responsible,not Costco.

27 posted on 07/24/2010 6:08:24 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (''I don't regret setting bombs,I feel we didn't do enough.'' ->Bill Ayers,Hussein's mentor,9/11/01)
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To: show me state

Just as many Freepers predicted, there were “technical difficulties” with the video. I’ve got a pretty good guess who was in the right in this case.


28 posted on 07/24/2010 6:08:42 AM PDT by thecabal (Destroy Progressivism)
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Well well, the concept of keystone kop can extend to store clerks too? Who knew?

Yes. The early articles make you want to scream. In one of the articles, in the "comments" section, a resident said they were angry that the guy had a legal weapon in the store so they padded the story to police to expedite their arrival.

Scott filed out of the store with everyone else because it was evacuated. Police then proceeded to shoot into the crowd, hitting Scott 5 times. When he was on the ground, dying, they shot him two more times. There were people standing just a few feet away from him.

29 posted on 07/24/2010 6:11:38 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
That’s the kind of thing that God worries about and we shouldn’t.

I disagree. You can't tell someone they need to repent if you let God worry about. It's our job to lovingly tell someone they were wrong. Only God can wield the 2x4. :-)

30 posted on 07/24/2010 6:14:58 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: Gay State Conservative

Maybe it’s a comment on the silly excitability and/or litigiousness of this society that the matter didn’t end with store security’s personal involvement, but that the cops were called at all. (Seems that based on the report of the other employee helping him load up the broken case, he wouldn’t have given store security any trouble.)

In a tangential vein there was a discussion here some months ago about a situation where a child was lost in a crowd and moments later a presumed perv was caught trying to take the child to a bathroom. Modern dangers occupy our attention today. At the very least, if an unattended small child comes to the attention of a store employee, police will be called. It used to be that there would soon be an announcement on the P.A. system “would the mother of little Johnny please come to the service desk? he is waiting here for you.” And she’d come and get little Johnny, and that would be that.


31 posted on 07/24/2010 6:15:12 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: DJ MacWoW

I mean as gawking cacklers as we all are here. If we have a chance to witness, that’s another story.


32 posted on 07/24/2010 6:16:39 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: Nickname
"Some FReepers predicted something like that would happen."

I was one of them. My next prediction is that the lab in California will announce that regrettably, the video imagery has been irretrievably lost. It's all very technical, and you little people on the jury and in the public at large wouldn't understand it.

If the video cleared the cops, it would have been on TMZ, youtube, and all the major networks by now.

33 posted on 07/24/2010 6:17:06 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: DJ MacWoW
Apparently there was malice on the part of Costco employees.

I'm interested in the Costco 911 call on tape to the police as much as the CCTV tape outside.

34 posted on 07/24/2010 6:17:48 AM PDT by Hillbillary (I know how to deal with Communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: show me state
Something to think about if you carry. The following is from a July 19, 2010 email from Front Sight Firearms Training Institute:

And here is a letter I received from one of our students who lives in the area and actually shops at the Costco where the incident occurred...

Dr Piazza,

My name is Dr. Greg Goetz. I'm a Front Sight Lifetime Member and pistol/rifle graduate.

There was an incident a week ago at a Costco about 2 miles from my house, one that I shop at regularly.

A 39 year old Boston Scientific medical instruments rep who was a West Point graduate was shot and killed by Las Vegas Metro police as he exited Costco after shopping there with his girlfriend. I don't think I've ever met the guy but I know one of his co-workers very well. (I'm an anesthesiologist)

According to the Las Vegas review journal, he was inside shopping with his girlfriend and at one point became agitated or frustrated trying to see if a case of bottled water or Gatorade would fit into his backpack. He was noticed by either fellow shoppers or Costco staff or both. The decision was made by someone to call the police.

He eventually calmed down, finished his shopping, paid, and was exiting the building when he as approached by 3 policemen. The best that can be gathered from hearsay and secondhand reports was that he was trying to tell them he was carrying concealed and lifted his shirt to show the police. At that point he was shot.

As the facts become more clear and public (and they surely will because there were a multitude of witnesses not the least of which was the girlfriend) the police's choice of lethal force over less lethal (stun gun, etc) will either be validated or rejected.

But I think our local community here in Las Vegas, the news media, and the rest of the firearms community nationwide are missing a very important point. The police don't get called for some guy just acting agitated at a Costco.

I will bet my life he somehow exposed his sidearm and someone got scared and notified the police on a "man with a gun" call.

I think this has more to do with the fear of the largely gun-intimidated public, many of whom sit at the left end of the political spectrum. Some soccer mom shopping with her kids probably saw his gun. freaked and called the cops. Such a call results in a mindset by the responding officers that probably has more to do with this man being dead than whether or not he failed to follow the cop's instructions verbatim when he was approached.

I carry every day. Everywhere I'm allowed, unless there is a no firearms sign. Then it stays in the car till I come back out and it goes back on my hip where it's happy. Front Sight has given me the comfort of mind of being safe and effective with my guns, but the rest of the public is still predominately very intimidated by guns. I think those of us in the "gun community" have to recognize this and take the appropriate steps while carrying to maintain good concealment and monitor our behavior so that we are 'model' citizens while doing so, so the same thing doesn't repeat itself.

Again, my take is that this was not so much a police over reaction as a CITIZEN'S over reaction to seeing a gun, because THAT is really, that's what started the events in motion.

This fall I'm scheduled for Precision Rifle, Edged Weapons, Advanced Tactical Handgun and I'm bringing out my 3rd and 4th first time students so they can experience Front Sight too.

Keep up the good work. You're fighting the good fight.

Dr. Gregory Goetz
Anesthesiologist
Las Vegas, NV.

35 posted on 07/24/2010 6:18:10 AM PDT by GBA (Resistance is Constitutional!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Ok. Got it. :-)


36 posted on 07/24/2010 6:18:38 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: Hillbillary
A supposed transcription was posted.

radio transcript (Costco Shooting)

37 posted on 07/24/2010 6:20:38 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: Joe 6-pack

Or if the lab has integrity, it will report “gee, it looks like a big magnet was used on this drive, but we still got a smattering of stuff and here it is.”


38 posted on 07/24/2010 6:24:07 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: HiTech RedNeck

The lab is being paid by the police department. They won’t.


39 posted on 07/24/2010 6:26:25 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: HighWheeler
If that’s the case, then the store manager should have made him pay for the merchandise, and not pay with his life.

I believe that was the initial source of the dispute, and one can only assume that the victim refused to pay. I understand the store employee also told him he couldn't conceal carry in the store and that escalated the issue.

40 posted on 07/24/2010 6:27:33 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Joe 6-pack

True, the lab would fear losing their future business by impugning its customer. This really ought to have been handled through a court judge. (But again how often does Las Vegas send a damaged disk drive to California for data recovery?)


41 posted on 07/24/2010 6:30:25 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: Hillbillary
Here ya go
42 posted on 07/24/2010 6:33:45 AM PDT by thecabal (Destroy Progressivism)
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To: show me state
This weekend, I will ask one particular LEO about Pack Mentality training in a shooting. *When one officer fires, ALL others are to do the same even if they do not see a threat (weapon)*.

I think that the answer to this is going to be *Backing The Brother. Peer response with force as a whole is easier to excuse (All saw a threat) vs individual officer force application with peers not firing at what only ONE officer sees/perceives.

43 posted on 07/24/2010 6:34:41 AM PDT by Deaf Smith
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To: GBA
I carry every day. Everywhere I'm allowed, unless there is a no firearms sign. Then it stays in the car till I come back out

Hey doc, what kind of car do you drive? You work over at St. Mary's hospital, right?

44 posted on 07/24/2010 6:35:56 AM PDT by ladyjane
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To: Gay State Conservative

Shop lifting although a crime is not a capital offense crime...I didn’t read the article but did the citizen pull his gun on the cops? If not they overreacted as judge, jury and executioner....imho


45 posted on 07/24/2010 6:40:13 AM PDT by goat granny
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To: Shannon
Probably one dropped item, if that, and a nutty manager who created this whole tragic mess.

I don't think you can lay this man's death at the manager's feet. The manager didn't call the police with the intent of having the man killed.

46 posted on 07/24/2010 6:41:56 AM PDT by randog (Tap into America!)
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To: Non-Sequitur; HighWheeler
and one can only assume that the victim refused to pay.

Father wants Las Vegas police held accountable in son's death

Police said the man was "acting erratically" and "destroying merchandise" in the store, but Bill Scott said he has been told by his son's girlfriend and others that the interaction with the employee was cordial, and the employee even helped load the bottles into the cart.

47 posted on 07/24/2010 6:43:47 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: Non-Sequitur

He was probably going to buy the sports drinks, and was trying to decide if he wanted to buy the backpack.


48 posted on 07/24/2010 6:46:10 AM PDT by ichabod1 (Hitler Was Their Fate and their Fate Could Not Be Stayed. Von Braustitch.)
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To: randog; Shannon
I don't think you can lay this man's death at the manager's feet. The manager didn't call the police with the intent of having the man killed.

Read the early articles. They said an armed man was in the store acting erratically and destroying merchandise. None of the more than 40 witnesses back that up.

49 posted on 07/24/2010 6:47:00 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: DJ MacWoW

“When he was on the ground, dying, (the police) shot him two more times. There were people standing just a few feet away from him.”

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If that police action is true, it may be grounds for murder.


50 posted on 07/24/2010 6:47:44 AM PDT by HighWheeler
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