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Ground Zero Sum Game
Townhall.com ^ | 8/17/2010 | Cal Thomas

Posted on 08/17/2010 9:14:31 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross

After months of dithering by the White House about the "Ground Zero Mosque" in lower Manhattan, President Obama endorsed the project at an Iftar dinner Friday night. The president said, "...as a citizen, and as president, I believe that Muslims have the same right to practice their religion as anyone else in this country. That includes the right to build a place of worship and a community center on private property in lower Manhattan, in accordance with local laws and ordinances."

After a torrent of criticism, the president on Saturday tried clarifying what he meant. "I was not commenting and I will not comment on the wisdom of making the decision to put a mosque there," he said, "I was commenting very specifically on the right that people have that dates back to our founding. That's what our country's about."

Yes, America was founded on the principles of religious freedom, but practicing religion isn't the issue. Unlike Christians and Jews in most Muslim nations, Muslims in America are free to practice their faith. The issue is whether they use that freedom to ultimately undermine freedom for people of different faiths, or no faith. It isn't America's obligation to demonstrate our tolerance, as if by doing so those within Islam who wish to destroy us will ultimately transform into religious pluralists. It is their obligation to demonstrate their own tolerance in the face of much evidence of Islamic intolerance and violence by radicals.

No less an authority on the subject than the State Department's own "ambassador" to Islamic nations, Feisal Abdul Rauf, offers valuable insight. Rauf is the founder of Park51, the proposed Ground Zero cultural center, and a self-professed moderate who refuses to describe Hamas as a terrorist group, though the State Department does. The same Hamas who's co-founder Mahmoud al-Zahar declared, "We have to build everywhere!" Yet Rauf is traveling to the Middle East at taxpayer expense, supposedly telling Muslims how tolerant America is when it comes to Islam.

In an interview posted on Hadielislam.com and translated into English by Walid Shoebat, a former Palestinian terrorist and Christian convert, who became a U.S. citizen, Rauf reveals his goal. Shoebat explains that what Rauf wants is to use "peaceful means," including lobbying governments and establishing charities, to incrementally establish what he calls the original Islamic State worldwide as it once was in Arabia. This consists of the principles of Sharia law, including the stoning of adulterers and the decapitation of "infidels" (non-Muslims) everywhere, including in America. Read interview excerpts here.

We debate among ourselves about this issue, trying to persuade each other we aren't intolerant or anti-Muslim. But those who would create more Ground Zeroes are not debating themselves, at least not in a way that would minimize the threat America and the rest of the West faces. They believe they have Allah on their side and martyrdom and heaven as their goal. How do "infidel" diplomats, Jews, Christians and secularists negotiate with such a mindset?

In a statement prior to Friday's dinner, President Obama said such events "remind us of the principles that we hold in common, and Islam's role in advancing justice, progress, tolerance and the dignity of all human beings." Unfortunately, the president didn't give any examples of where such principles are being practiced now in much of the Muslim world.

Perhaps the president should have considered the comments of Saudi cleric Muhammad Al-Arifi on Egypt's Al-Rahma TV, July 19, 2010:

"Devotion to Jihad for the sake of Allah, and the desire to shed blood, to smash skulls, and to sever limbs for the sake of Allah and in defense of His religion, is, undoubtedly, an honor for the believer. ... The Koranic verses that deal with fighting the infidels and conquering their countries say that they should convert to Islam, pay the jizya poll tax, or be killed. If the Muslims had implemented this, we would not have reached the humiliation in which we find ourselves today."

That's reality, not wishful thinking. This is what we're up against with the Ground Zero project and with the rapid immigration of radical Muslims. All the pronouncements to the contrary won't make it otherwise.


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"It isn't America's obligation to demonstrate our tolerance, as if by doing so those within Islam who wish to destroy us will ultimately transform into religious pluralists. It is their obligation to demonstrate their own tolerance in the face of much evidence of Islamic intolerance and violence by radicals".

The Path To Islamization

1 posted on 08/17/2010 9:14:33 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross
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To: Servant of the Cross

So far, our President has supported Islam over Christians and Jews. It’s about time he support the people of the United States. If he doesn’t want to do this, leave office. The time has come for the American people to have a win......a big win.

Were I President, which is probably why I’m not, I would pull the Imam aside and whisper in his ear “There is no way in hell that you will ever build another mosque in New York.”


2 posted on 08/17/2010 9:23:53 AM PDT by RC2 (Remember who we are. "I am America")
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To: Servant of the Cross
BUMP! This needs to be read and remembered by everyone.
3 posted on 08/17/2010 9:24:29 AM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (If Obama doesn't destroy America, she is indestructible.)
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To: RC2

You only hold that point of view because it hasn’t been engrained in your lifelong ideological training that America, Christianity, and Western culture must be opposed and taken down.

Otherwise, you’d agree with 0bama...

( :) )


4 posted on 08/17/2010 9:26:06 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: Servant of the Cross
The usual argument is flat.....no one suggests Muslims can't practice their "religion" - but if they are serious about being a tolerant people, a peaceful "religion", a caring "religion" then perhaps they, the Muslims and their Imam could see their way to putting the mosque somewhere else away from Ground Zero. Being pushy and less than sincere is getting these people nowhere.

No Mosque at Ground Zero....'they' have been offered other property and refused it on weak grounds but will except money from our State Department to travel around the world soliciting for money and using bragging rights about their American Conquest. Frankly, I am tired of being tolerant to killers and thieves because of their threats.....American values are too precious to get trampled any further.....take your Mosque and get out you mendacious people.

5 posted on 08/17/2010 9:26:16 AM PDT by yoe ("N" is for NO for Progressives in government.)
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To: Servant of the Cross
The state of New York should condemn the property, expropriate it and build a new fire hall and rescue center.Game over.
6 posted on 08/17/2010 11:59:26 AM PDT by Candor7 (Obama . fascist info..http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: Servant of the Cross

I’m only bumping the thread because I like the title


7 posted on 08/17/2010 11:25:01 PM PDT by Kevmo (So America gets what America deserves - the destruction of its Constitution. ~Leo Donofrio, 6/1/09)
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