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The Conservative Case for Gay Marriage
Newsweek ^ | January 09, 2010 | Ted Olsen

Posted on 08/19/2010 6:18:04 AM PDT by throwback

Together with my good friend and occasional courtroom adversary David Boies, I am attempting to persuade a federal court to invalidate California's Proposition 8—the voter-approved measure that overturned California's constitutional right to marry a person of the same sex.

My involvement in this case has generated a certain degree of consternation among conservatives. How could a politically active, lifelong Republican, a veteran of the Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush administrations, challenge the "traditional" definition of marriage and press for an "activist" interpretation of the Constitution to create another "new" constitutional right?

My answer to this seeming conundrum rests on a lifetime of exposure to persons of different backgrounds, histories, viewpoints, and intrinsic characteristics, and on my rejection of what I see as superficially appealing but ultimately false perceptions about our Constitution and its protection of equality and fundamental rights.

Many of my fellow conservatives have an almost knee-jerk hostility toward gay marriage. This does not make sense, because same-sex unions promote the values conservatives prize. Marriage is one of the basic building blocks of our neighborhoods and our nation. At its best, it is a stable bond between two individuals who work to create a loving household and a social and economic partnership. We encourage couples to marry because the commitments they make to one another provide benefits not only to themselves but also to their families and communities. Marriage requires thinking beyond one's own needs. It transforms two individuals into a union based on shared aspirations, and in doing so establishes a formal investment in the well-being of society. The fact that individuals who happen to be gay want to share in this vital social institution is evidence that conservative ideals enjoy widespread acceptance. Conservatives should celebrate this, rather than lament it.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: boies; homosexualagenda; nosuchthing; olsen; omg; prop8; tedolson; victorkilo; vk; zot; zuluoscartango
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To: little jeremiah

Prot was spouting lines from the movie “K-pax” where the main character “Prot” is a psychiatric patient played by Kevin Spacey. The plot synopsis from IMDB:

After being arrested at Grand Central Station in New York City, a man calling himself Prot (Spacey), who claims to have travelled to Earth from his home planet of K-PAX, is taken to the Manhattan Psychiatric Centre because he is believed to be mentally ill.

After a month on Thorazine with no results, Mark Powell (Bridges), a psychiatrist, meets with Prot and decides to treat him. Prot seems peaceful and is extremely knowledgeable, even baffling astrophysicists with his uncanny knowledge of astronomy. However, when Prot has a seemingly violent episode at Dr Powell’s house, Dr Powell proceeds with regression therapy to find out more about Prot’s past. The therapy leads Dr Powell to discover an emotionally painful history, linked to a man named Robert Porter. Time is running out, as Prot says he will be returning to K-Pax in a few days; and Dr Powell tries to help get to the truth.

Meanwhile, Prot meets the other patients of the Psychiatric Centre and takes it upon himself to help them, in his own way. Is Prot really from outer space or is he deluded?


401 posted on 08/19/2010 6:00:33 PM PDT by 50mm (Resistance is futile)
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To: little jeremiah; Darksheare
Well, let me just say ... if Darksheare says he's pulling up a chair, they otta stand up and leave the room.

Besides, when they are gone, it leaves more room for the rest of us. :-)

402 posted on 08/19/2010 6:03:49 PM PDT by vox_freedom (America is being tested as never before in its history. May God help us.)
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To: 50mm; little jeremiah

Alrighty then. The poster was a loony.


403 posted on 08/19/2010 6:17:48 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: DJ MacWoW; little jeremiah

Or drunk or just finished watching the movie or both. LOL

LJ,

I think he took a particular liking to you. My guess is he’s a retread who was ZOTted while sparring with you in the past. Any clue who he might have been?


404 posted on 08/19/2010 6:33:02 PM PDT by 50mm (Resistance is futile)
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To: 50mm

Thanks. I am singularly ignorant of entertainment stuff. The only time I had a TV since I was 17 was a couple of years when Klintoon was sullying the Oval Office. Got to see him lie on TV!

Pretty much the same with movies.


405 posted on 08/19/2010 6:37:46 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: 50mm

I don’t want him to loike me!


406 posted on 08/19/2010 6:38:23 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: 50mm

No clue, there have been so many...


407 posted on 08/19/2010 6:38:54 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: 50mm; little jeremiah
It certainly was creepy.

LJ, any ideas about identity? As 50mm said, he zeroed in on you.

408 posted on 08/19/2010 6:39:33 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: DJ MacWoW

Too bad I’m not organized. I could have made a list of banned trolls with comments about them.

Really no clue. I know I’ve gotten a lot of them mad at me, though.

Perhaps he’s someone who posts on some of those forums that talk stink about FR?


409 posted on 08/19/2010 6:42:29 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: vox_freedom
oh, say there,

there a reason you pinged me ???

410 posted on 08/19/2010 6:42:55 PM PDT by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: 50mm; little jeremiah

Btw, notice his tagline? It changed with every post. The last one was “prot is gone.”


411 posted on 08/19/2010 6:44:10 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: little jeremiah
Perhaps he’s someone who posts on some of those forums that talk stink about FR?

I think that most of those have shut down.

412 posted on 08/19/2010 6:45:53 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: little jeremiah

Have we stumbled upon Kevin Spacey’s fun time?


413 posted on 08/19/2010 6:48:28 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Dem voters, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when deceived.)
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To: DJ MacWoW

I saw that. The taglines were also quotes from the movie. I saw the movie.


414 posted on 08/19/2010 6:50:39 PM PDT by 50mm (Resistance is futile)
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To: 50mm

I understood the quotes to be from something. Looking at the tags I’d say he committed suicide. Just a really weird incident.


415 posted on 08/19/2010 6:56:56 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: throwback

Notice how he picked News Week to speak his mind. The transformation is Complete.


416 posted on 08/19/2010 7:02:40 PM PDT by Brimack34
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To: DJ MacWoW

Parsifal. Third person.


417 posted on 08/19/2010 7:35:32 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: little jeremiah
Even in religions or cultures that allowed polygamy, it still mean Man and Woman or Women. And even in those cultures/societies/religions it wasn’t the norm. It served the purpose as well of providing husbands for women when many men were killed in battle, became monks or whatever.

Polygamy more often means polygyny (multiple wives) but in some rarer instances it means polyandry (multiple husbands). In polyandrous marriages, the husbands are most likely brothers. They have one wife in common. If a man can't be a father, at least he can be an uncle. One of the goals in such a union is to limit offspring due to scarcity of resources (land, etc.).

418 posted on 08/19/2010 7:44:42 PM PDT by thecodont
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To: little jeremiah

Yeah. It was weird enough to be Parsy. Was he banned?


419 posted on 08/19/2010 7:46:27 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: thecodont

Most polygamous cultures or cultures that allowed it seem from my reading to have polygyny - more than one wife per husband. I didn’t know that word.

Even in ancient Hindu culture or Vedic culture it was mostly royalty who had multiple wives - they could afford it. I never read of multiple husbands in the OT, not that I am a scholar!


420 posted on 08/19/2010 7:48:44 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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