Skip to comments.Is Islam a pagan religion or ideology covered by a vaneer of monotheism?
Posted on 08/24/2010 6:55:58 PM PDT by CharlesMartelsGhost
In a review of the book "The Closing of the Muslim Mind: How Intellectual Suicide Created the Modern Islamist Crisis" by Robert R Reilly , Spengler raises some excellent theological questions about why Islam is a cultural wasteland.
Mainstream Islam rejected Greek-derived philosophy at the turn of the 12th century, when Abu Hamid al-Ghazali established a theology of divine caprice. In the normative Muslim view of things, Allah personally and immediately directs the motion of every molecule by his ineffable and incomprehensible will, according to the al-Ghazali synthesis, directly and without the mediation of natural law. Al-Ghazali abolished intermediate causes, that is, laws of nature, leaving great and small events to the caprice of the absolute tyrant of the universe.
In place of Hellenistic reasoning, Islam turned to a literal reading of the Koran. Robert Reilly recounts Islam's abandonment of Hellenistic reason, and blames it for the subsequent decline of Muslim civilization and the rise of radical Islam.
Reilly argues that Western civilization, is founded on reason, whereas normative Islam embraces irrationality.
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"There is no Islamic society in the Western sense of the society, only nested layers of blood loyalty. Three-fifths of Iraqi (and two-thirds of Saudi Arabian) marriages are between cousins, for the object of the institution of marriage is to maintain the political integrity of the clan."
"...Islam is a layer on top of that. It's made up of stolen bits and pieces of Judaism, Christianity and the pagan religions is absorbed and destroyed. But none of those really matter. Islam is not a religion, so much as a common flag for quarreling tribes and a social system to maintain conformity..."
Is more in line with mine, in that Islam is an ideology not theology nor religion.
I agree an ideology that has more in common with Nazism or Marxism.
it’s a totalitarian ideology disguised as religion! It is the anti freedom!!
it is no way a religion, it’s a theocrcay looking to impose hiw laws and views onto the west and this country.
Just a shame that those I can’t think for myself far left kooks cannot understand this
it is no way a religion, it’s a theocracy looking to impose it’s laws and views onto the west and this country.
Just a shame that those I can’t think for myself far left kooks cannot understand this.
Does a bear obama in the woods?
Islam is a false religion that embraces a false political ideology.
its a seventh century Borg
You nailed it. It is a political/military adventure disguised as a religion. “Moderate Muslims are an essential part of the structure” in undermining Islam’s enemies (everybody). We have bought it pretty much. We are ripe for the taking, but Europe goes first into the tank.
Right on. I use to wonder why our political class could not see this. Now I realize they can, they just are to cowardly to confront and/or seek to collaborate.
An ideology yes. A theocracy no.
Theocracy-the rule of a state by g_d.
Ideology- the body of ideas upon which a particular political, economical or social system are based.
This is a very important point. Islam was a syncretist cult basically developed (in bits and pieces) to smooth the acceptance of domination by Mohammed's tribe. While the 12th century may have been decisive in solidifying and affirming Islam's anti-rational nature, it never had a solid basis that could be reasonably defended in the first place, nor did it have a reasonable way of looking at the world.
Mohammed got tired of hearing the religious debates on his travels throughout the middle-east. It gave him fits! He knew he didn’t like the pantheon of gods in the great temple at Mecca so he smashed them all. Then he came up with a smashing good sales pitch to attract to himself army of adherents. Once achieved, he and his followers began an multi-century campaign to conquer the world.
And by discarding reason it never has been able to look at the world except from the desert tribal view. While the world passed them by in achievement and knowledge, Islam never moved forward.
A theocracy is a state ruled by religious law and governed by the clergy, so yes, Islam is a theocratic system. The fact that it is a false religion is another matter.
Islam is a complete system that allows nothing to escape it. The religious law is the civil law, the economic law, and the social law, and ultimately, the mullahs rule. Of course, ultimately, rulership belongs to the “guardians of the holy places,” the Arabs (Mohammed’s tribe), which was exactly what Mohammed set out to do in the first place.
Islam is not a pagan religion.
It is a classic pagan adaptation of the precepts and theology of Christianity dumbed down to appeal to the ignorant desert people living on the fringe of the Christian world. Mohamed used the resentments and hatreds of these barbarian peoples to unify them and create a formidible military force that advanced this "religion" by the sword. Similar to the advance of communism in our own day.
A colleague who is a Jordanian Muslim described how the Arab society is still stuck in tribal thinking, which leads to the widespread corruption. He gave as an example the Mubarak family syndicate. He described Hosni Mubarak as the same as a Mafia don, and no Anwar Sadat.
But if Islam is not a religion, but an ideology, they are governed by ideological laws and ideoligical “clergy”. From my viewpoint if Islam can claim it is a religion, or theocracy, then so is/was Nazisim and Marxism.
“Islam is not a pagan religion.”
True, plus their incessant marrying of second cousins to “protect” the clan lineage.
The Saudis, Syrians, Kuwaitis and UAE are similar to the Mubaraks in that regard. Even Malaysia and Indonesia are, but with a large non-Muslim Chinese population it isn’t as pronounced there. In grad school I became very good friends with A Malaysian Chinese non-muslim couple who tried their best to stay in the states, because of the affirmative action/favoritism for muslims in Malaysia put them at a dis advantage. Plus they wanted American freedom.
"Although Islam is today a monotheist religion, its roots are in paganism."
If it is a monotheistic religion it is by definition not a pagan religion. It's roots don't matter. Christmas is a pagan holiday in it's roots but it's not in modern Christianity.
Islam, like the worship of the “Saint of Death” by the Mexican Cartels, is Satanic, as evidenced by the Human, Blood Sacrifices.
>>Islam is a fascist political system under the guise of a religious cult.<<
Mohammedism is a cult of hate, founded by a goat humping pedophile, that has not had an accomplishment of note in over 1,000 years.
Amen I second it!
Your definitions align with my idea (probably not original...) that islam is a stone-age socio-economic system dressed up as religion.
With the emphasis on “stone-age.”
Arab science was stunning - 1000 years ago. Nothing much of consequence was accomplished in the Arab world after the advent of islam.
All worldviews are based in theology. It is the root of all ideologies. The existence and nature of God are primary and foundational. With a skewed view of God, all other disciplines are skewed: philosophy, science, psychology, ethics, sociology, politics, law, economics, history.
Anything that promotes anything other than faith by grace in Christ’s finished work, is PAGAN by definition! (Including Islam).-and no I would not include Judism in that definition since (I could argue their OT prophecies spell out Jesus 100% to a T)!!-GOD DOESN’T CHANGE!!
I think Mohammed would have been dignosed with having ADHD.
Which is why Zer0 dismantled NASA’s Moon program - and turned it into his moozlie outreach program.
I mean, we can’t go shooting rockets into his little god.
The theology is now known to arise out of a Christian missionary manual prepared in Damascus for the purpose of Christianizing the Arabs at Mecca. The written form of Arabic is certainly a derivative of Aramaic, widely spoken in the region right up to Mohammad's time.
The concept of the mosque, as a men's social center, is hardly new ~ but I suspect it was doable in Arabia no more recently than Mohammad's day ~ due to the almost total poverty of everybody in the region.
Many of the customs and ceremonies, e.g. invisible washing, 5 time a day prayers, and so on are certainly Arabian Peninsula inventions. The Kaaba was already on the scene.
The most advanced Christian scholarly thinking on the matter is that Mohammad was, at most, a local reformer of the then pagan religion and practices of the Arabs in Mecca and Medina. He sought "assistance" from outside sources ~ probably Coptic and Gnostic ~ and got it. Once he'd achieved a degree of success by beating the Meccans in battle, he sought to portray his local reforms as also necessary to Judaism.
There were actually many "tribes" and areas accessible on the trade routes passing through Mecca where the predominant religion was actually Judaism. The old Noble Arab families will tell you all about it ~ their families were, in fact, Jews. Then they converted.
By the time Islam got to Afghanistan even it's most brutal beliefs and practices were probably rather adavanced in the eyes of the people living there. Even today it would not be possible for your typical Taliban to imagine how Moslems in Cairo live and work.
The Shi'ites have a religious hierarchy, but they are a small minority.
The various dictators are happy to leave all of this alone as long as the mullahs/imams keep everybody happy and murder the requisite number of trouble-makers.
To a substantial degree the absence of an organized religious hierarchy serves to keep the dictators in business.
In my opinion more like narcissistic personality disorder.
Mohammedanism is anti-rational and fatalistic, explaining why Mohammedans are impervious to Christian evangalism and apologetics --they reject rationality altogether. We share no common, non-religious language. Mohammedanism is a particularly diabolical cult in this respect.
How Mohammedans can make any truth claims at all is beyond me. If Allah is free to contradict himself, why should any Mohammedan adhere to the Koran, if Allah could choose to contradict the Koran tomorrow?
Mohammedanism poses a unique threat to our country --one which I suspect the Founders didn't consider, and that is, the existence in America of a religion that doesn't tolerate other religions.
On a theoretical level, can a State that tolerates all religions tolerate a religion that is violently intolerant of other religions? Logically, there can only be one answer to this question. So what becomes of the First Amendment?
The Founders made two mistakes with respect to the First Amendment. First, they should not have prohibited an established national church. If the US gov't was officially, Baptist, Catholic, or Lutheran, the gov't could logically restrict immigration from Muslim countries.
Secondly, the Founders should have allowed for the suppression of violently intolerant religions.
Spengler has been a longtime favorite of mine. The only thing is, reading his columns often prompt me to get a good, stiff drink - and I don’t drink! :-)
Same here Spengler and Greenfield of Sultan Knish are a daily read for me.
Hosni Mubarak’s name, Hosni, is the same name as our president’s middle name. In Arabic the consonant trigram HSN is the only thing that counts and determines the word or name. The different sounds and positions of the vowels are matters of local accent. Thus Hassan, Hosni, Hussein, etc, are all the same name just as Ian, John, Sean, Jan are all different renderings of the same name in Latin rooted languages.
Islam is a terror ideology. The war against Islam must be won.
0 going to church wont make him Christian any more than going into a garage will make him an automobile. If you really want to know if he’s Christian only one question will tell: “What think you of Christ?” The answer will out the truth.
“Robert Reilly recounts Islam’s abandonment of Hellenistic reason, and blames it for the subsequent decline of Muslim civilization and the rise of radical Islam.”
Oh c’mon. The light of Reason turned on Islam would reveal it for what it is: The usual crap perpetrated by the usual suspects for the same old reason. Anyone who applies Reason to Islam walks away from it, period.
It’s a primarily military, pseudo-religious, cult of death.
I agree. But the question wasn't, "Is Islam a terror ideology?". The question was "Is Islam a pagan religion or ideology covered by a vaneer of monotheism?". That was the question that I answered.
Look, you won't find a harsher critic of Islam than myself. I've called Mohammed a "baby raping sonofabitch" before. I called him that because the statement is true. The list of Islam's offenses to any sense of decency is myriad. However I see no purpose in making things up about Islam, i.e that Islam is a pagan religion when it clearly is not. Why make up something when the real horrors and sins of Islam are almost limitless?