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The Government's New Right to Track Your Every Move With GPS
www.newsyahoo.com ^ | 8-25-10 | Adam Cohen

Posted on 08/25/2010 9:52:33 AM PDT by 444Flyer

Government agents can sneak onto your property in the middle of the night, put a GPS device on the bottom of your car and keep track of everywhere you go. This doesn't violate your Fourth Amendment rights, because you do not have any reasonable expectation of privacy in your own driveway - and no reasonable expectation that the government isn't tracking your movements.

That is the bizarre - and scary - rule that now applies in California and eight other Western states. The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit, which covers this vast jurisdiction, recently decided the government can monitor you in this way virtually anytime it wants - with no need for a search warrant.

It is a dangerous decision - one that, as the dissenting judges warned, could turn America into the sort of totalitarian state imagined by George Orwell. It is particularly offensive because the judges added insult to injury with some shocking class bias: the little personal privacy that still exists, the court suggested, should belong mainly to the rich.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: 1984; 9thcircuit; bigbrother; corruption; fourthamendment; gps; gpstracking; kozinski; orwell; policestate; privacyrights; rapeofliberty; rfid; righttoprivacy; sionnsar; surveillance; warrantlesssearch
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To: 444Flyer
Judge Kozinski is a leading conservative, appointed by President Ronald Reagan, but in his dissent he came across as a raging liberal. "There's been much talk about diversity on the bench, but there's one kind of diversity that doesn't exist," he wrote. "No truly poor people are appointed as federal judges, or as state judges for that matter." The judges in the majority, he charged, were guilty of "cultural elitism."

How is he being a liberal much less a "raging liberal?" Sounds to me like he is deriding the liberal meme of 'diversity' by pointing out a very real disparity in "equal treatment under the law" that apparently the liberal judges on the court care nothing about.

41 posted on 08/25/2010 12:16:01 PM PDT by TigersEye (Greenhouse Theory is false. Totally debunked. "GH gases" is a non-sequitur.)
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To: NonValueAdded
== Then again, this is the 9th Circus, the most overturned Circus in the tent. ==

Oh, you must mean the black-robed clowns.

42 posted on 08/25/2010 12:21:31 PM PDT by SloopJohnB (CONGRESS.SYS version 11.2010 available soon at a voting booth near you.)
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To: liege

Well, that makes two of us. They’d soon go nuts from tracking me from my house out to the street—taking out the trash and going to the mailbox! ha ha.


43 posted on 08/25/2010 12:47:26 PM PDT by Patsygirl
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To: SVTCobra03
*** So do I; and two large dogs, an alarm system and a Mossberg 930 SPX. ***

Whew, that looks like one sweeeeeeet shotgun.

I'm looking for a Mossberg, that's now on my list :-)

44 posted on 08/25/2010 12:49:18 PM PDT by Condor51 (SAT CONG!)
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To: socialism_stinX

Our auto insurance is already based on miles driven per vehicle. So, that information is already available.


45 posted on 08/25/2010 12:57:54 PM PDT by reformedliberal
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To: reformedliberal

It’s not available in my state. The only information my insurance company has is whether I drive more than 7500 miles per year or less than 7500 miles, and they get that information from me.


46 posted on 08/25/2010 1:29:57 PM PDT by socialism_stinX (He pays his mortgage, took no TARP money, and hasn't dumped a dollar of toxic assets on taxpayers.)
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To: conservativeharleyguy
"Poorly worded title.

The “Government” has no “rights”.

All it has are duties and responsibilities - first and foremost of which are the protection of our God-given rights (irrespective of its inability/reluctance to do so).

Only then does it have authorities - granted to its representatives by us, and limited in their application by the Constitution - under which it is supposed to carry out its duties and responsibilities.

It really is that simple."

Spot on! The title is going with the Barack Al-Bama dream version of a Constitution. Where the goobermint has all the power and the citizens eat cow pie.

47 posted on 08/25/2010 1:47:46 PM PDT by 444Flyer (We are the end of the line.)
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To: socialism_stinX

Ours has began requesting odometer readings to verify our statements. We keep close records, as well, for warranty and maintenance purposes.

What to do? No one is listening to we, the people, any more. We are rural and still work, so our mileage is likely high by urban standards.


48 posted on 08/25/2010 2:03:36 PM PDT by reformedliberal
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To: Comparative Advantage

http://www.thesignaljammer.com/products/GPS-Jammer.html


49 posted on 08/25/2010 2:12:36 PM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: Condor51

“I’m looking for a Mossberg, that’s now on my list :-)”

And the price is much better than that of the Benelli M4 Tactical.


50 posted on 08/25/2010 2:24:20 PM PDT by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: MileHi

Thanks!


51 posted on 08/25/2010 3:34:46 PM PDT by Comparative Advantage
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To: DustyMoment
I don't believe that the 9th Circus has read the 4th Amendment . . . . . . . or any other part of the Constitution for that matter!

Most of them (excepting the dissenters in this outrageous case) couldn't tell the Constitution from the Communist Manifesto.

52 posted on 08/25/2010 5:31:57 PM PDT by zort
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To: 444Flyer
Well, as soon as my browser leaves my virtual driveway, I guess they'd say I have no reasonable expectation of privacy on the Internet either. So I suppose they'll want to be able to pull records from ISPs without a warrant or probable cause too.

Heck, as soon as my phone conversation leaves the house or my cell, it is broadcast. Guess there is no reasonable expectation of privacy there.

Same for the US Mail, out of my hands, no privacy. UPS, Fed-Ex, ditto.

I guess this would apply to sound too, so even though it may take a few grand worth of specialized audio gear, I guess the government might want to listen in on my wife and I making love.

Hey, why just a my car? Why not come onto my property and tag my clothing with RFID tags too?

Where does it stop? How about this - don't let it start. This warrantless-anything crap has to be struck down right now. This notion that the socialist/fascists have that we have no reasonable expectation of privacy is BS. We have every expectation of privacy from un-warranted government monitoring. That is what the Constitution states. If our elected representatives are not going to uphold the Constitution they should be thrown out of office, possibly prosecuted and jailed. They should never be allowed to hold public office again.

53 posted on 08/25/2010 8:42:03 PM PDT by ThunderSleeps (obama out now! I'll keep my money, my guns, and my freedom - you can keep the change.)
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To: B4Ranch

Or relieved...


54 posted on 08/26/2010 6:28:41 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (I'm jus' sayin')
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To: 444Flyer; rdb3; Calvinist_Dark_Lord; GodGunsandGuts; CyberCowboy777; Salo; Bobsat; JosephW; ...

55 posted on 08/26/2010 6:31:06 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: Centurion2000; Yo-Yo

I’ve seen these, and even though they block incoming signals, or “pings” for lack of a better term, are you certain that they block outgoing signals???

Sure, they stop your Tom Tom and other vehicle devices from receiving, but do they stop the outgoing “handshake” signals???

And once you are outside the “bubble”, obviously, unless you have unpowered any device you have on you, you’ll sing like a canary once outside that “bubble”...

So you can get one of these devices, but you need to understand the complete situation, and do the things to keep you off the radar outside the “protection” envelope they claim to provide...

Just throwing this out there for general consumption...


56 posted on 08/26/2010 6:42:36 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (I'm jus' sayin')
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To: holden

Do you have a Blackberry??? Or know someone who does...

Take a look at the screen and watch the “signal” bar that shows how well the device is “seeing” the “network”...

Kinda fluctuates doesn’t it??? and there is a handoff, or back and forth, incoming and outgoing data stream constantly working for you on those devices...

I’m just saying that you might be able to shut off one direction of the data flow (signal jammer), but getting the other direction of flow, will obviously require a dramatic fix, that can reveal you if you put the device back into service anyway...

It’s still kinda fun to try to spoof these things to se what you can actually do in a pinch...


57 posted on 08/26/2010 6:49:35 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (I'm jus' sayin')
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To: stevie_d_64
I’ve seen these, and even though they block incoming signals, or “pings” for lack of a better term, are you certain that they block outgoing signals???

You're right, because look at what I found:

Covertrack CT-100 Advanced GPS Tracker

The CT-100 uses the most advanced location techniques available to determine the location of an asset. The CT-100 enables the operator to obtain a location fix inside buildings, parking garages, and other dense urban areas. There is no external antenna needed and the device does not need to “see the sky” as normal GPS devices do. The CT-100 will work inside the trunk of a vehicle, in armored vehicles, indoors, and other locations where a standard GPS device would fail. The CT-100 will also defeat many of the GPS jammers that are now on the market.

How Does it Work?

When the CT-100 is requested to report it’s position, it attempts to obtain a fix using GPS satellites. If it is unable to obtain a GPS fix due to the device being inside a building or under metal, it reverts to cell tower triangulation mode. It will then automatically determine its position by triangulation with Sprint cellular towers in the area using AFLT (Advanced Forward Link Triangulation) This whole process is normally done in under 10 seconds. The device is also always on, so it can be “polled” any time. Reports are then transmitted to a web site where the user can determine the location of the asset. Tracking Plans start at $19.95 per month.

That means you'd also need one of these:

Silencer - Full Spectrum Cellphone Jammer (CDMA + GSM + 3G)


58 posted on 08/26/2010 6:59:39 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: socialism_stinX
I’d be surprised if this decision isn’t overturned by the SCOTUS.

I'll be surprised if it is. The police state advances regardless of party.

59 posted on 08/26/2010 7:05:06 AM PDT by zeugma (Ad Majorem Dei Gloriam)
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To: stevie_d_64
If one gains control of the software of such a Cellular Data Packet Device, one could reasonably spoof one's location, most often sufficiently to keep from being tracked within perhaps a couple of miles, which would be adequate for "escape" in most cases. To keep the phone working, one does need to communicate with the cell towers that are available, of course.

The cellular phone system is not the same as GPS, which still confuses many people. The accuracies of each system, however, have been honed dramatically, such that, if you're transponding as a well-behaved player within the system, latching onto your moving signal will be easy.

HF

60 posted on 08/26/2010 8:21:31 AM PDT by holden
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