Posted on 08/26/2010 6:42:39 AM PDT by ThePatriotsFlag
Once again, the Øbama Administration is making another stealth move for circumventing the 2nd Amendment against the will of the American People. It is time to S.T.O.P. this nonsense once and for all, the EPA is the tool he is using again, this time to ban “lead” bullets … which are the ONLY kind that are affordable and legal. There is an actual petition that is now “ready for comment”. All of us need to take this opportunity to give them the “comments” they deserve. Below is the information you will need to (1) Understand the Problem, (2) Look at the Causes and (3) take action to S.T.Ø.P. it!
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I wonder if this succeeds if it means all of our ammo stocks are would then be illegal to own or shoot? Will you not be able to buy more or not even (legally) use what you have?
Also makes one wonder about other synthetic type of bullets. Hardened plastic that shatters on impact. Glass?
Where there is will, there is a way.
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Bump for home.
EPA Considering Ban on Traditional Ammunition
25 Aug 2010
Congress expressly exempted ammunition!
... the Toxic Substance Control Act of 1976, a law in which . EPA Considering Ban on Traditional ...
www.ammoland.com/.../epa-considering-ban-on-traditional-ammunition/
>Please support your contention with facts.
You obviously have no feel for bullet or metal prices.
Copper is 3.6 times as expensive as lead by weight.
Copper has 79% of the density of lead.
So say we want to make a bullet made purely of the respective metals. The lead bullet, due to density, will require about 26% more metal by weight.
Thus if we compensate for the density difference, copper is still 2.85 times as expensive for making bullets.
What you’re asking them to do is a fairly complicated procedure.
Those of us that are more familiar with ammo and reloading ammo than yourself, know this procedure.
To us it’s second nature.
We call it “looking at the price list”.
My Dad was a Army Colonel and I remember him saying to me back in the '60s, "don't ever register your guns, 'cause then THEY will know where to pick them up." That always stuck with me; especially since it came from a man who had firsthand seen the misery and devastation of tyranny, AND had an informed perspective on the methods of the world's despots.
in comparison, how does copper respond to impact?
You forgot the extra wear and erosion and deposit rates on the rifled barrel from copper bullets compared to lead.
Commercially, copper is REQUIRED for hundreds more uses than lead, thus demanding copper be used in bullets wastes this valuable resource in ways it cannot be readily recycled.
Demanding copper is a typical liberal/socialist/communist/democrat “feel-good” way to “hate guns, gods, and goods”
WHY THEY WANT OUR GUNS!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j73SsNFgBO4
DISARMED GERMAN JEWS AND THE HOLOCAUST!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cg9q9sxJFnA
“The beauty of the Second Amendment is that we will never need it until they come to take it away.” Thomas Jefferson
“A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity.”
Sigmund Freud
Let's see, we need something soft (so as not to offend the BATF), cheap and dense.
Bismuth is only a little less dense. It's far more expensive, although that can be cut with an alloy like tin. The big problem is that bismuth is brittle, so bye-bye expanding bullets. So bismuth is out as a true replacement for bullets.
Actinium might work, but it's highly radioactive. Cool side benefit: Your bullets will glow in the dark. Extra benefit against criminals: Even if the shot isn't lethal, the radiation will likely finish him off.
Denser than lead there's a mainly radioactive materials, highly toxic materials, and hard metals. Gold would make an awesome bullet, about the same hardness and almost twice as dense and not brittle, but the cost is rather prohibitive.
Societies have been using lead bullets for centuries for one reason: It is the best and cheapest material for the job. There is no reasonable substitute for the price, at least not one that would be allowed by the government. I wouldn't mind a tungsten powder/plastic composite though. It would be denser than lead and could still expand, but we get back to the expense problem.
>in comparison, how does copper respond to impact?
In what sense? It is another soft metal, and certainly has no potential in armor piercing applications.
Most military round have a copper alloy cladding (these are the FMJ rounds) over a lead core.
Many waterfowl hunting areas prohibit lead shot now, you must use steel shot.
>You forgot the extra wear and erosion and deposit rates on the rifled barrel from copper bullets compared to lead.
Copper is soft enough that is difference on wear is minimal. There is a reason you use copper cladding in FMJ or JHP rounds. In fact, owing to the way lead will get stuck in rifling, copper clad bullets will require somewhat less maintenance on a gun. (I’ve scrubbed lead fouling out of a barrel, and it can be tedious).
>Commercially, copper is REQUIRED for hundreds more uses than lead, thus demanding copper be used in bullets wastes this valuable resource in ways it cannot be readily recycled.
This is certainly very true. The price difference would only be magnified if copper were also required for ammunition.
>Demanding copper is a typical liberal/socialist/communist/democrat “feel-good” way to “hate guns, gods, and goods”
Yeah, more from the watermelons (green outside, red inside).
STOCK UP HEAVILY ON AMMO!!!
>Many waterfowl hunting areas prohibit lead shot now, you must use steel shot.
Yes, but the problem with pistol and rifle ammunition (vs. shot for shotguns) is that steel has already been banned as an ammo choice. Logically it would be the best choice for ammo since it is really dirt cheap (less than half the price of lead even, though the price does vary). Mild steel is also fairly soft (not as soft as lead or copper, but soft enough).
A few years back the BATF decided that any ammo made of steel was armor piercing and thus had to be banned. It didn’t matter if this ammo was merely made of a mild steel core which was no more armor piercing than a lead bullet. It didn’t matter if it happened to be rifle caliber rounds which would go right through most bullet proof vests purely on velocity, no matter if the bullet was made of silly putty.
It all got banned. It used to be that one of the cheapest supplies of ammo around was steel core military surplus ammo. You could but this stuff for pennies a round from overseas suppliers (Isreal, Korea, Russia etc). When the BATF made it’s revision to the rules ammo prices jumped a ton. Used to be you could buy a case of 1000 rounds of 7.62 NATO for $100. When this ban came through the price tripled. A ban on lead in bullets would have at least that magnitude of effect. I would expect it to be even more.
Yep. There are better materials but each is cost prohibitive. Hell, even just a copper clad FMJ bullet is far more expensive than a cast lead.
All copper bullets are the super premium stuff.
99% of the time, people that use all copper bullets have more money than they got sense.
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