Rift between Salvation Army, United Way

UPI ^ | 8/28/2010

[texmexis best]

I had forgotten about the selling of donated cigarettes and the charges for coffee. My Dad had no love whatsoever for the Red Cross.

And you had to travel 20 miles from the front for the privilege of buying from the RC.

[topher]

Help!

I have gotten into some trouble on this thread because The Salvation Army is on at least one Pro-Life boycott lists for Planned Parenthood.

Do you agree/disagree that if an organization is guilty of helping Planned Parenthood that it is basically helping the abortion movement, and indirectly helping to fund such movement?

Or do I need to prove actual funding of abortion by The Salvation Army to show them as an organization unworthy to contribute to?

There has been some discussion on this thread about The Salvation Army, abortion, and Planned Parenthood

Just curious if you have any thoughts to weigh in with.

Why would pro-life groups recommend that The Salvation Army be boycotted unless there is a good reason?

[Hot Tabasco]

he was mounted from 1927 to 1950

The stables were located on Belle Isle and there was a precinct building there also. That's where my grandfather was stationed. In the late 50's I'd spend the summers with my dad and grandparents and one day each summer my grandmother and I would take the bus to Belle Isle and we'd spend the day with my grandfather.

He would always take us on a ride around the island in the police car then he'd take us over to the stables and the guys would take me for a ride on one of the mounted horses.

Then grandma and I would go on the pony rides and stuff then towards the end of the day grandpa would take us over to the harbormaster and the guys would always take us out for a boat ride on the river.......Those were great days.

[goat granny]

Those are great memories..Palmer Park also had stables and there were stables in down town Detroit...My dad was stationed at Palmer Park once and I came home for lunch and his horse was tied out back in the alley. I was thrilled to see his horse. That alley in now the service drive for I 75. Another time I was walking to school and he and another mounted man were on our street. They were heading over to vote.....but the only time I was on a horse was when I went to the stables at night with dad to check on the horses. Those horses are huge to a 8 year old kid...

Also famous for watching submarine races....:O) Belle Isle was a great park with an arboretum and small zoo. As a teen I loved to go through the arboretum, they had beautiful orchids and a waterfall in one of the rooms..

[trisham]

Thanks to you both.

[trisham]

Thank you.

[trisham]

Agreed.

[Hot Tabasco]

Belle Isle was a great park with an arboretum and small zoo.

I loved the aquarium.........

[goat granny]

I forgot about the aquarium...Belle Isle also had its own herd of deer running loose in the wooded area’s...

[topher]

Response from Life Decisions and FightPP.org about The Salvation Army. This information came via an email from Life Decisions, Inc.

The Salvation Army is on the 'Dishonorable Mention' section of the Boycott List for "refusing to take a clear public stand against abortion in cases of rape, incest, fetal deformity, etc., and some offices have funded Planned Parenthood."

They are the topic of about a tenth of the emails we received in the month of December.

Their International Leader, General Shaw Clifton, is on record, in response to a yes/no question asking if the Salvation Army is against abortion:

"That's too simple. We are not as conservative as our catholic brothers and sisters. There are situations in which abortion is the lesser evil, for instance in cases of severe deformities of the foetus, [or] rape."

Our position is addressed in our newsletter, The Caleb Report, at: http://www.fightpp.org/downloads/pubs/May-June.pdf (see page 8)

General Clifton's full interview can be read here, at the Salvation Army's own website: http://www.salvationarmy.org/ihq/www_ihq_general.nsf/vw-dynamic-index/87BD3DF62F0F179F802572ED00564052?Opendocument

Quite honestly, anything beyond Gen. Clifton's interview is just 'more nails in the coffin'.

Sadly there are many Salvation Army supporters, volunteers and employees who simply don't know what is really happening. If a quote about the benefits of abortion on the Salvation Army's website, from, not a renegade employee, but their own leader, General Shaw Clifton, speaking on behalf of the organization, isn't enough to make someone think twice about supporting them, there isn't much we can do. The same applies to allowing access to Salvation Army facilities by Planned Parenthood, regardless of the reason; it also applies to the IPPF locations being supported by the Salvation Army.

In addition to General Clifton's speech, which, by the way, has yet to be retracted, there are also various Planned Parenthood locations listing The Salvation Army as a "Valued Partner", "Donor", etc. Also, there are Salvation Army 'community resource guides' listing Planned Parenthood under the health category, and Planned Parenthood newsletters stating that The Salvation Army has brought young girls to them.

The Salvation Army's own second in command, Commissioner Robin Dunster (who just retired in May 2010) was affiliated with Planned Parenthood; see the bottom of the page under "Further Reading", you will see that one of her credits is that of IPPF (International Planned Parenthood Federation): http://www1.salvationarmy.org.uk/uki/www_uki.nsf/vw-news/333003BE75FC8CD78025735500551DB7?opendocument

It is actually humorous (and sad) when you read what the Salvation Army of New Zealand has to say about tobacco use Vs. abortion. The tobacco opinion is short and to-the-point, but in the abortion standard there are loopholes;

Tobacco:

The Salvation Army is totally opposed to the production, marketing and use of tobacco.

Abortion:

The Salvation Army believes in the sanctity of all human life including that of the unborn child. It is opposed to abortion on demand or as a means of birth control.

As recently as last Fall, Planned Parenthood of NE Ohio was acknowledging the Salvation Army for allowing them access to their facilities.

See: http://www.plannedparenthood.org/ppneo/images/NortheastOhio/NEO_Notes_Fa09.pdf

Even worse is this link to the Salvation Army in South Asia in which one of the 'Outreach/AID' programs is an "abortion workshop" (maybe they're trying to say "post-abortion counseling workshop", but that is NOT how the world will read it! We asked the Salvation Army in January to interpret this reference, but have yet to receive a response) see: http://www.salvationarmy.org/ihq/www_sa.nsf/vw-sublinks/B4DBFC2E9F3E25B880256E47007BCC93?openDocument

God bless you!

Life Decisions International