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Hey, Big Spender: Hollywood Isn’t in the Mood (Dinosaur Media DeathWatch™)
The New York Times ^ | August 29, 2010 | Brooks Barnes and Michael Cieply

Posted on 08/29/2010 8:13:05 AM PDT by abb

JOEL SILVER stands on the Warner Brothers lot and points to the remnants of a house where he filmed parts of four “Lethal Weapon” movies. “We blasted a toilet out of that window,” he says, smiling proudly. “Over there, we drove a car straight into the living room.”

Ah, the glory days.

Behind Mr. Silver, the flamboyant producer of some of the biggest action hits of the last 30 years, is the modest set for one of his current films, an R-rated comedy with no stars, almost no budget and — for now — no title. Not that Mr. Silver was ready to call the production small. “It’s a little movie, but it’s a big little movie,” he says.

And therein lies Mr. Silver’s challenge: How does a larger-than-life, free-spending producer fit into a movie business that has been tightening up — and cutting some of its more grandiose characters down to size?

In the new Hollywood, stars count for less, whether in front of the camera or behind it. Financial firepower and technological wizardry matter more. And a generation of producers — whose principal assets were their industry connections and a remarkable degree of personal force — are having to adapt.

Mr. Silver, 58, has been a dominant studio moviemaker for over three decades, delivering blockbuster franchises like “Lethal Weapon,” “Die Hard” and “The Matrix.” The 59 movies he has produced have generated almost $10 billion in ticket sales, adjusting for inflation. The money he has made for Warner alone has won him lavish treatment from the studio — not just in compensation, but also in perks. To make him happy, Warner once went so far as to send movie props to his Brentwood mansion for his son’s birthday party.

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1 posted on 08/29/2010 8:13:11 AM PDT by abb
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2 posted on 08/29/2010 8:14:00 AM PDT by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: abb

Hollywood is dying. I live here, and I can kind of feel it. It’s all reality shows, youtube, and video games now.


3 posted on 08/29/2010 8:18:01 AM PDT by A_perfect_lady (So, kids can't wear American flag shirts on Cinco de Mayo but we'll have a mosque at Ground Zero?)
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To: abb

I’m not sure this is completely correct.
I think Hollywood is just banking on sure things.

The next Batman and Ironman are being made.
Avengers is being made. Atlas Shrugged is on it’s way.

I think Hollywood just isn’t taking chances on things that are not sure bets. With that, Disney has started a policy that there is a three month window between big screen and DVD. It cut the movie theaters out of a lot and because they don’t have to pay theaters as much, they can afford to spend less on films.


4 posted on 08/29/2010 8:18:09 AM PDT by netmilsmom (I am inyenzi on the Religion Forum)
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To: netmilsmom

“Atlas Shrugged is on it’s way.”

That will be interesting! I’ll bet it’s the “liberal twist” version.


5 posted on 08/29/2010 8:21:54 AM PDT by alice_in_bubbaland (Professional Politicians are a Threat to the Republic! Remove them on 11-2-10!)
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To: abb

http://pewinternet.org/Reports/2010/Older-Adults-and-Social-Media.aspx
Older Adults and Social Media

http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/456438-Economists_to_Meet_at_FCC_About_Comcast_NBCU.php
Economists to Meet at FCC About Comcast/NBCU

http://mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/08/24/cbs-evening-news-ties-20-year-low/
CBS Evening News Ratings Tie 20-Year Low

http://www.salon.com/news/media_criticism/index.html?story=/tech/dan_gillmor/2010/08/26/who_is_a_journalist
Who’s a journalist? Does that matter?

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/wilson/detail?entry_id=71003
Axe journalism education? Maybe

http://www.observer.com/2010/media/cuts-usa-today
USA Today Cuts 9 Percent of Staff, Shifts Focus Away from the Newspaper

http://newsosaur.blogspot.com/2010/08/flagship-newspapers-wane-in-audience.html#comments
Flagship newspapers wane in audience mix


6 posted on 08/29/2010 8:23:56 AM PDT by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: A_perfect_lady

“Hollywood is dying. I live here, and I can kind of feel it. It’s all reality shows, youtube, and video games now.”

You left out that there is seldom anything really new.

Films are mostly spin offs of other films, some of which were never successful to begin with.

A younger relative, who was a big time movie fan, came up with this observation about a decade ago that Follywood was incapable of anything that was new and provided value to the people buying tickets.

He appears to be correct each year.


7 posted on 08/29/2010 8:30:02 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION IS DESTROYING AMERICA-LOOK AT WHAT IT DID TO THE WHITE HOUSE!)
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To: alice_in_bubbaland

>>That will be interesting! I’ll bet it’s the “liberal twist” version.<<

I’ve been watching them on FB. The book will be done in three movies. I’m really hoping that they kept the spirit of the book but, who knows?

I’m not really sure how they could spin this lib, unless they made James Taggart the hero!


8 posted on 08/29/2010 8:31:24 AM PDT by netmilsmom (I am inyenzi on the Religion Forum)
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To: abb
That's why we think we can make a success of our newly launched "Rockin' the Wall Studios." We think "Rockin' the Wall" will be very successful, and have a sequel already in the works, "Other Walls to Fall," about music's ability to subvert and penetrate Korea, Cuba, and above all, the Middle East. After that, we have three big features lined up, including the apex of it all, a mega-bucks movie about the Christian victory at Malta over the Muslims.

Insiders always say, "Hollywood will never make that movie." PRECISELY. That's why we will!

9 posted on 08/29/2010 8:31:33 AM PDT by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." (Hendrix))
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To: netmilsmom

Yes. Excellent points.


10 posted on 08/29/2010 8:32:36 AM PDT by GOP Poet (Obama is an OLYMPIC failure.)
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To: A_perfect_lady

Hollywood is dying because they aren’t making anything that anyone wants to see. They can’t come up with original stories anymore. All they have are remakes of 70’s and 80’s TV shows that weren’t that great to begin with and umpteen sequels of movies that made a few bucks in the beginning. Then they throw in a lot of liberal propaganda pieces which no one wants to see.


11 posted on 08/29/2010 8:33:26 AM PDT by Trick or Treat (Palin/Bachmann 2012!)
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To: abb
I don't understand. Why can't Mr. Silver get funding for his movie? After all aren’t we right smack dab in the middle of RECOVERY SUMMER?
Did not 0bama & Biden tell us so?
Hell, by Sept. 1, money should be flowing like wine. Especially for the liberal Hollywood types.
12 posted on 08/29/2010 8:35:25 AM PDT by Tupelo
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To: abb

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/Headlines/%E2%80%98radical%E2%80%99-shakeup-at-%E2%80%98usa-today%E2%80%99-as-print-takes-back-seat-to-mobile-130-more-layoffs-seen-62428-.aspx
‘Radical’ Shakeup at ‘USA Today’ as Print Takes Back Seat to Mobile; 130 More Layoffs Seen

http://www.timesunion.com/business/article/Paper-ordered-to-reinstate-workers-628915.php
Paper ordered to reinstate workers

http://rossdawsonblog.com/weblog/archives/2010/08/newspapers_beco.html
Newspapers become irrelevant and media is reborn by 2022

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/business/three_more_leave_listing_newsweek_hpc4MXHNs4ex3zvsMt4PdO
Three more leave listing Newsweek

http://newspaperdeathwatch.com/
Seismic Shift at USA Today

http://www.medialifemagazine.com/artman2/publish/Newspapers_24/USA-Today-shifts-focus-from-print-to-digital.asp
USA Today shifts focus from print to digital


13 posted on 08/29/2010 8:36:22 AM PDT by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: LS

http://www.cato.org/pubs/journal/cj16n2-7.html
Dismantling Utopia: How Information Ended the Soviet Union


14 posted on 08/29/2010 8:38:35 AM PDT by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: alice_in_bubbaland
From what I've heard from conservative insiders, "Atlas Shrugged" will not only be massively disappointing, but it will be massively boring. I'm told the screenplay was one of the "worst ever" by an actor who auditioned for one of the parts---against his better judgment.

But in Hollywood, there are no "sure things," and many of the megahits---"star Wars," "Passion of the Christ," "Twilight"---were turned down by most major studios or never even considered. "Twilight" already had 12 million readers and almost every studio in Hollywood passed on it. On the other hand, "Speed Racer" was supposed to be the next "in" movie, hip, blah, blah. Then you have animated films such as "Despicable Me," which is an enormous hit.

Piracy and DVDs have certainly made an impact, but there are movies people will still make a special trip to a theater to see ("Avatar"). Although it goes back a ways, you HAD to see "Independence Day" in the theater to appreciate it.

15 posted on 08/29/2010 8:41:40 AM PDT by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." (Hendrix))
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To: abb
They should remake the big depression era musicals and Cecil B. Demille's movies. At least it would give jobs to a lot of extras.
16 posted on 08/29/2010 8:45:21 AM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: Vince Ferrer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJOjTNuuEVw

Gold Diggers of 1933 - “We’re in the Money”


17 posted on 08/29/2010 8:47:29 AM PDT by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: Grampa Dave

The lack of imagination is most likely the result of years of leftist indoctrination.

Groupthink produces no imagination.

Even if Follywood tries to make something new, it ends up being a vehicle of dressed up leftism ideas.


18 posted on 08/29/2010 8:50:37 AM PDT by dforest
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To: abb
I've got a stimulus package right here.
19 posted on 08/29/2010 8:55:14 AM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: abb
ahhh yes, the toilet that landed on the copcar intact after being blown out of the house...
20 posted on 08/29/2010 9:03:07 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: abb
... for your future reference ...

Warning labels applicable to virtually every MSM Newser

21 posted on 08/29/2010 9:08:19 AM PDT by Zakeet (Mark Steyn: We're too broke to be this stupid)
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To: abb

Hollywood isn’t in the mood, but the movie going public is. In hard economic times, people want escapism. Some of the best movies ever made came out during the Great Depression: GWTW and The Wizard of Oz, for example. People wanted an escape from their dreary existence.


22 posted on 08/29/2010 9:09:22 AM PDT by sportutegrl
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To: abb
Or we could make a nice war movie. Get outside, get some fresh air and excercise.
23 posted on 08/29/2010 9:09:47 AM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: LS

I did some work for a writer who worked on many successful movies since the 70’s. He is having a hard time finding work now and was complaining about DVD piracy and studios not hiring older writers anymore. I felt a bit bad for him, but I’m sure he wasn’t very wise with most of the money he made.


24 posted on 08/29/2010 9:13:48 AM PDT by Sawdring
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To: Sawdring

It’s always been about the distribution - the ability of creators to get the content to those who would read/see/hear it - more so than creative skills.

Hollywood, Big Newspaper, Networks, Magazines - they all thought they were superior writers and artists.

They ain’t and they never were.

All they ever had was the ability to control how much and when that content was distributed to the customer.

It’s the same with political punditry. Here at FRee Republic there are hundreds of folks who can write better and more incisive political commentary than those who appear on the Sunday talk shows.


25 posted on 08/29/2010 9:35:33 AM PDT by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: A_perfect_lady

They can’t tell interesting stories anymore because of political correctness.


26 posted on 08/29/2010 9:38:36 AM PDT by donna (Obama Hauls Arizona Before the UN Human Rights Council. It's time to impeach Obama.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker; TommyDale; Fedora; hoosiermama; Condor51; Grampa Dave; Just mythoughts; ...
THE HOLLYWIERD CREED (they do believe in something)

1. Christians are evil.

2. Women are to be valued only for their cleavage.

3. Traditional gender roles are artificial but feminism and homosexuality are government-protected lifestyles.

4. Self-esteem is paramount; government must undertake to guarantee each citizen-victim self-esteem no matter the cost.

5. The ACLU is good, because destroying religion and silencing believers are protected by the Constitution and the First Amendment; The NRA is bad because it defends the Constitution.

6. Standardized IQ tests are racist; racial quotas and affirmative action are not.

7. Conservatives are racists; everybody knows that Black people can't make it on their own without big-buck government assistance programs and Hollyweirdos to proselytize the message 24/7.

8. Abortion is a natural right. The Founders just forgot to put it in the Constitution.

9. Normal sex is perverted. Threesomes, bestiality, necrophilia, homosexuality are just new ways to get a thrill.

10. Moral indignation is a liberal's standard strategy for endowing our output with superiority.

11. Victimization is our basic belief by which we blame and find others responsible for our own personal failures, then expect taxpayers, deep-pocketed individuals, or the courts to bail us out. It feels good to be in the throes of "victimization" and either A) causing victims, B) concocting victims, C) playing victim, D) commiserating over victims, or E) creating another class of victims to bleed over.

12. It's a liberal's duty to treat Middle America in the manner of raising mushrooms, that is to say, keep them in the dark and feed them lots of horse manure.

13. Capitalism creates oppression; government creates opportunity.

14. The traditional family is archaic, constricting, with no redeeming value. Parents that try to guide their children's choices are restrictive. Kids need to be "free".

15. Don’t hire an actress who won’t act naked. Male stars can refuse to take off their boxers.

27 posted on 08/29/2010 9:50:24 AM PDT by Liz
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To: abb

Be on the look out for the new Video ,,,, Runaway Slave ,,,, that ought to get Hollywierd gasping for air .


28 posted on 08/29/2010 9:50:48 AM PDT by lionheart 247365 (-:{ GLENN BECK is 0bama's TRANSPARENCY CZAR }:-)
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To: All
Typical Hollywood actress goes to an audtion.

"I'll do anything for a part."

29 posted on 08/29/2010 9:51:31 AM PDT by Liz
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To: abb

Movies are dying because the 90-120 minute format of storytelling is dead.

The best writing and stories are on the cable network series: Sopranos, Mad Men, Dexter, Burn Notice...


30 posted on 08/29/2010 9:52:52 AM PDT by LibFreeOrDie (Obama promised a gold mine, but will give us the shaft.)
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To: abb

Hollywood does not know how to tell stories anymore.

I watched “The Wolfman” last night, I could see the money and the souped up special effects, but I had no idea what the movie was about or who the characters were, or why the script ever made it on the screen, nobody seemed interested in seeing the movie making process from the vantage point of the audience and the finished product. It was as though every individual division , writers, special effects people, stunt people, the individual actors, make-up, were all on steroids and strutting their little area of expertise, but to no common goal other than to make everything bigger and more expensive than the 1941 version.

All I could think of was how superior the old Wolfman movie was, and how much torment and anguish that Lon Chaney Jr could reveal with a simple shot of his face.

Special effects and technology, or even an updated script doesn’t replace a well told story that draws the audience into their own imaginations.


31 posted on 08/29/2010 10:00:10 AM PDT by ansel12
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To: A_perfect_lady
Hollywood is dying.

Awww wouldn't that be a pity /s (I mean Hollywood as the entertainment industry of course) How did people ever manage before contemporary Hollywood in all its learned wisdom came along to lift the culture to lofty heights and give the plebes a political education?

I personally wouldn't care if the money dried up and another movie was never made. All the good stuff was before the end of the studio system, anyway. But that's just me, I don't watch big screen or television dreck anyway.
32 posted on 08/29/2010 10:16:28 AM PDT by mrsmel
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To: Vince Ferrer

Hairspray made huge money.

Broadway took the John Waters story and made it mainstream, then added music.
Adam Shankman happied it up to the 12th power and BOOM successful musical.

I think that there actually is a market for big happy musicals when people are depressed.


33 posted on 08/29/2010 10:18:18 AM PDT by netmilsmom (I am inyenzi on the Religion Forum)
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To: Vince Ferrer

God forbid! I can just imagine what they’d do to those classics! They’d have Dorothy sleeping with the Tin Man! And anyway there aren’t any “triple threat” talents in Hollywood anymore, like Astaire and Kelly, who can act and sing and dance.


34 posted on 08/29/2010 10:20:13 AM PDT by mrsmel
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To: LS

>>From what I’ve heard from conservative insiders, “Atlas Shrugged” will not only be massively disappointing, but it will be massively boring.<<

That’s sad.
Although I have to confess that there were very many parts of the book that I skimmed including Galt’s 60 page manifesto.
Dagny’s sexual habits bored me and really the only character I cared about was Eddie.

So I may not be the person to judge the whole thing.

You can keep Avatar too. Much better use of 3D in Alice in Wonderland, where it continued through the film in very subtle ways. Like seeds or dust floating by. We see a lot of 3D/IMAX. We have a screen within walking distance of our house.

I think the point of the story is that Hollywood will now make a “Speed Racer” over a “Twilight” because money is tight. In the studio’s eyes, there are “sure things”, even if they are wrong.


35 posted on 08/29/2010 10:25:37 AM PDT by netmilsmom (I am inyenzi on the Religion Forum)
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To: ansel12

YOU are SO right!

I figured it out when I saw “The Ring”. “Ringu”, the original Japanese movies is one of my faves and actually scared the crap out of me. With no gore, with no huge crescendos of soundtrack, just looks on the faces. Americans screwed the pooch on that movie.


36 posted on 08/29/2010 10:30:21 AM PDT by netmilsmom (I am inyenzi on the Religion Forum)
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To: netmilsmom

“Atlas Shrugged” is an independent film and I don’t think I’d call it a “sure thing.”


37 posted on 08/29/2010 10:31:45 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater ("Get out of the boat and walk on the water with us!”--Sen. Joe Biden)
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To: Grampa Dave

Yeah, there’s little that’s new. The last really good movie I saw was INCEPTION. I’ll admit, I loved that. I went back and saw it a second time, it was so good. But it’s rare. I can only name about 20 movies that I think are worth the price of a DVD, and I’m talking “since the beginning of Hollywood.”


38 posted on 08/29/2010 10:34:13 AM PDT by A_perfect_lady (So, kids can't wear American flag shirts on Cinco de Mayo but we'll have a mosque at Ground Zero?)
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To: Zakeet

first rate!


39 posted on 08/29/2010 10:40:05 AM PDT by squarebarb
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To: netmilsmom
The next Batman and Ironman are being made. Avengers is being made. Atlas Shrugged is on it’s way.

Come on - Batman? Atlas Shrugged? Those are ideas from the 1940's and 1950's. Current hollywood writers write for the 20% of people who are hard core liberals or teenage boys who like soft porn and violence. Kind of like selling water to a man dying of thirst... For the rest of us? Not much. Let 'em go under...

40 posted on 08/29/2010 10:42:18 AM PDT by GOPJ (TIME Magazine - - a conserve-a-phobe publication.)
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To: A_perfect_lady

“Hollywood is dying. I live here, and I can kind of feel it. It’s all reality shows, youtube, and video games now.”

And you can trace the acceleration of their death throes back to the 2007 writer’s strike. Just as many predicted then, once the entertainment industry found out that the scriptless dreck they used to fill in for scripted shows attracted plenty of audience, they realized they could make more money by sticking with the crapola “shows”. No need to pay for those expensive writers, stars, producers, directors, sets, etc. So there you have it, and that’s where we are today.


41 posted on 08/29/2010 10:42:51 AM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Made from the Right Stuff!)
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To: A_perfect_lady

More and more people are not going to see movies and waiting until they are no long pay-per-view. Hollywood has thumbed their noses at the people that pay their bills.


42 posted on 08/29/2010 10:47:32 AM PDT by bmwcyle (It is Satan's fault)
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To: catnipman

What you describe is sort of analogous to what we here at FRee Repbublic do. Ten or fifteen years ago we political junkies had to make do with a handful of conservative magazines and the Sunday talk shows for our fix.

And I suggest our political commentary here is much superior.

Now we have our own meeting places online and can contact and organize with the click of a mouse. The establishment cannot dictate the terms of the debate.


43 posted on 08/29/2010 10:49:58 AM PDT by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: A_perfect_lady
It’s all reality shows, youtube, and video games now.

If you search YouTube for the good stuff, you find that talented amatures produce material as good as the best hollywood put out in its heyday.

Internet distribution has been one nail in hollywoods coffin, but sound and audio equipment most people can afford, and Hollywoods myopic leftist agenda have been two others.

Like the newspapers and the music recording industry, being gatekeepers to an expensive to play in inner circle was a requirement to Hollywoods business model. Over time none of those institutions can survive amature competition at their current size and profit margin.

44 posted on 08/29/2010 10:52:16 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: MrEdd
Like the newspapers and the music recording industry, being gatekeepers to an expensive to play in inner circle was a requirement to Hollywoods business model.

Exactly. See my post #24.

45 posted on 08/29/2010 10:54:36 AM PDT by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: Liz

Also, the smartest people in movies are: ( smartest to dumbest)

Liberal college professor
Writer
Anyone connected to the ‘arts’...
Person in military if they hate the military
Any female minority
Teenage boy
Teenage girl
boy child
girl child
drug abuser
homeless person
dog or other pet
mother
minority male
person in the military ( if they’re patriotic)
cop
father
business executive
conservative
and ... wait for it - the dumbest of all:
White Christian conservatives...

Yeah, I want to go to the movies.../s


46 posted on 08/29/2010 10:56:34 AM PDT by GOPJ (TIME Magazine - - a conserve-a-phobe publication.)
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To: abb
Follywood!!!

I love the term. I just increased my vocabulary by one word. It's so appropriate and accurate.

Damn, wish I had thought of it! It's my first time seeing it. Congratulations to whoever coined it. I hope it becomes part of the lexicon. It's deserving.
47 posted on 08/29/2010 11:00:49 AM PDT by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough.)
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To: GOPJ

>>Those are ideas from the 1940’s and 1950’s. <<

Exactly. The article was about how Hollywood isn’t paying for anything that is not a sure thing.


48 posted on 08/29/2010 11:04:22 AM PDT by netmilsmom (I am inyenzi on the Religion Forum)
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To: abb
The only down side of this effect is the shelving of the "Red Dawn" remake that was supposed to come out in a few months.

The rest of Hollywood can drown in each others' vomit for all I care.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

49 posted on 08/29/2010 11:06:34 AM PDT by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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To: LS
How about the first siege of Vienna as a lead in to Malta?
50 posted on 08/29/2010 11:08:18 AM PDT by Little Bill (`-)
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