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Rodriguez's "Machete" in immigration debate
news.yahoo.com ^ | 08.27.10 | Jay A. Fernandez and Borys Kit Jay A. Fernandez And Borys Kit

Posted on 09/02/2010 3:55:42 PM PDT by VU4G10

ANGELES (Hollywood Reporter) – In Robert Rodriguez's new grindhouse feature "Machete," the vengeful title character uses vicious cutlery to butcher his enemies. Could something similar happen to the movie when it's released next week?

"Machete's" convoluted story explicitly takes place amid the current powder keg of an immigration debate and on the heels of Arizona's controversial anti-illegal immigration legislation.

FoxNews.com wasted no time in posting an article, "Violent Movie Declares War on Arizona for Immigration Law," that linked the trailer to an incident the day before in which an unidentified white powder was sent to Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer, who had signed SB 1070 into law. The article, which was quickly removed from the FoxNews website, declared the trailer "just the latest development in a debate that is growing more rancorous by the minute."

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Mexico
KEYWORDS: aliens; arizona; immigration; invasion; media; mexico; movie

1 posted on 09/02/2010 3:55:45 PM PDT by VU4G10
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To: VU4G10
I really think Robert Rodriguez is one of the most gifted directors today. He directed Dusk to Dawn and Sin City, both movies I loved.

He also contributed to some of the more nasty aspects of the debate about SB 1070. I'll forgive him because I like his movies plain and simple, but I'm disappointed in him.

2 posted on 09/02/2010 3:59:02 PM PDT by Artemis Webb (Barbour 2012)
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To: Artemis Webb
I thought Tarintino directed "Dusk till Dawn"?

Regardless of how good his movies are, the damage he seeks to do to this country is far more significant than anything he might contribute entertainment wise.

3 posted on 09/02/2010 4:01:06 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: VU4G10

Wondering how long it will be before some nimrod comes on this thread and only says:

“Never heard of him”.
or
“I don’t see movies from Hollyweird”


4 posted on 09/02/2010 4:02:30 PM PDT by Artemis Webb (Barbour 2012)
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To: skeeter
OK, Tarantino wrote it, Rodriquez directed.

Still, IMO he can go p*ss up a rope from now on.

5 posted on 09/02/2010 4:02:53 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: VU4G10

Enforcing the law is unfashionable in the post-American world.


6 posted on 09/02/2010 4:03:04 PM PDT by wac3rd (Somewhere in Hell, Ted Kennedy snickers....)
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To: skeeter

Tarantino wrote it but wanted someone else to direct. He and Rodriguez are tight so it was an easy choice for him I guess.


7 posted on 09/02/2010 4:03:47 PM PDT by Artemis Webb (Barbour 2012)
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To: Artemis Webb

As far as zombie movies go, “Shawn of the Dead” is more my speed.


8 posted on 09/02/2010 4:06:08 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: VU4G10

boycott.


9 posted on 09/02/2010 4:06:14 PM PDT by dalebert (true hillbilly)
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To: Artemis Webb
As for me I have the opposite feeling regarding his work. Tell me who do you root for the scam bag bank robbing rapist brothers or the vampires? I saw little difference. In fact the vampires at least had the excuss that they did what they did because they were vampires what was the brother's excuse?
10 posted on 09/02/2010 4:07:31 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: skeeter
"As far as zombie movies go, “Shawn of the Dead” is more my speed."

Actually "From Dusk To Dawn" was a vampire movie. But I liked "Shawn of the Dead" too. :)

11 posted on 09/02/2010 4:08:23 PM PDT by Artemis Webb (Barbour 2012)
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To: Artemis Webb

or this thread is useless without Jessica Alba pictures


12 posted on 09/02/2010 4:11:52 PM PDT by Kid Shelleen (Keep your socialized health care off my body !!)
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To: Artemis Webb

or this thread is useless without Jessica Alba pictures


13 posted on 09/02/2010 4:12:11 PM PDT by Kid Shelleen (Keep your socialized health care off my body !!)
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To: Kartographer

That’s kind of the point of the movie, it almost entirely lacks anybody that deserves the title “good guy”, and kills almost everybody. It’s a gore fest not unlike Machete, you’re supposed to root for the quality of the kill.


14 posted on 09/02/2010 4:13:33 PM PDT by discostu (Keyser Soze lives)
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To: Kid Shelleen

15 posted on 09/02/2010 4:17:12 PM PDT by Bratch
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To: VU4G10

when Spy Kids goes horribly wrong...


16 posted on 09/02/2010 4:19:44 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: discostu

Gore for gore sake then? If that’s the goal well then we are talking Cinematic Masterpiece, sorry I’ll pass and with no regrets.


17 posted on 09/02/2010 4:21:32 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

It’s an action-horror-comedy. Nobody involved was trying to supplant Shakespeare, they were just trying to have some fun with 2 genres that at the time were taking themselves far too seriously. It’s a fun movie, and accomplishes its only real goal: entertainment. If that’s not enough for you fine, but understand there’s a lot of fun stuff out there that has no pretensions of ever being a masterpiece, lack of pretensions in both item and audience can be a nice thing.


18 posted on 09/02/2010 4:26:58 PM PDT by discostu (Keyser Soze lives)
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To: discostu

‘Inglorious Bastards’ is another of such work. If I could only get those two hours of my life back!


19 posted on 09/02/2010 4:30:34 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: VU4G10

Folks, It’s just a movie .....

Although I have no doubt that the same people who defend hollywood movies as art would be screaming Racism!! if a movie was made about illegals and Sheriff Joe upholding Arizona law..


20 posted on 09/02/2010 4:34:31 PM PDT by Le Chien Rouge
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To: VU4G10

What the hell does a stupid movie have to do with the immigration debate?


21 posted on 09/02/2010 4:40:11 PM PDT by dr_who
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To: Le Chien Rouge
Life is imitating art in the black community.

I have no doubt that is the secret intention here.

But maybe I'm becoming paranoid.

22 posted on 09/02/2010 4:40:49 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: VU4G10
the Hispanic birth of a nation how nice
/s

I consider the produces/actors of this raciest crap to be legitimate targets if some bad happens

23 posted on 09/02/2010 5:05:33 PM PDT by Charlespg
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To: VU4G10
the Hispanic birth of a nation how nice
/s

I consider the produces/actors of this raciest crap to be legitimate targets if someThing bad happens

24 posted on 09/02/2010 5:06:24 PM PDT by Charlespg
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To: Kartographer

IB was awesome. It was a Spaghetti Western, a really well done Spaghetti Western that just happened to plot in WWII. Quite possibly Tarantino’s best movie.

You’re just not a QT guy. No shame in that, but if you didn’t like FDTD or IB you’re just not his intended audience. Best to avoid all his movies.


25 posted on 09/02/2010 5:21:04 PM PDT by discostu (Keyser Soze lives)
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To: VU4G10
Okay, I'll admit I'm not much of a movie goer nowadays. 20 years ago I went to a lot of movies and was very interested in cinema. But I began to like movies less and less. It seemed like the movies were the same old themes over and over again. The special effects guys just took over the movies. There were very few good screenplays being written. And it appeared to me that just about every movie I saw had some type of political correctness theme to it. The quality was getting worse and worse. So I'm down to about 6-7 movies a year in the theater.

A while back a colleague recommended the Quentin Tarantino film Pulp Fiction. He raved about it. I went to see it and was horrified. It wasn't just that the film was stupid and sickening but I couldn't believe someone actually thought it had artistic value. It was trash- plain and simple. And I'm a huge Hitchcock fan. Since this time I've seen Kill Bill and Kill Bill 2 on cable and it just gets worse and worse. And yet there are people under 30 or so who think this is good movie making. It's trash and I don't know about Robert Rodriguez but if it's in the same category as Tarantino, then we are sicker than ever. I like to know why some of you thought Pulp Fiction and the Kill Bill movies were good films.
26 posted on 09/02/2010 5:39:51 PM PDT by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough.)
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To: VU4G10

I saw a Danny Trejo interview somewhere recently...he refused to get baited into bashing Arizona even though the interviewer pressed him


27 posted on 09/02/2010 5:41:46 PM PDT by wardaddy (effed up times..)
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To: Kartographer; skeeter; Jack Black
Inglorious Bastards was basically a self esteem myth designed as a gift for Tarantino's money man Harvey Weinstein and his need for such a complete fantasy unwholly based on reality...Weinstein, an ogre who basically opposes almost everything anyone on this forum should support and who works diligently to tear down tradtional western culture for his own prejudicial ends....this is what they (Wienstein and likeminded Hollywood folks) do and they profit from it because we have become stupid. Tarantino and his mindless gore are just the means. I liked the Jack Rabbit Slim's dance sequence....that was about all I ever liked from that poser-punk...how was he ever spawned here in TN?

Harvey does have a hot wife though that he bought fair and square. A disgusting pairing.


28 posted on 09/02/2010 5:52:52 PM PDT by wardaddy (effed up times..)
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To: truthguy
Agree about Pulp Fiction. Deeply Evil Movie is my term for its kind. That category includes Silence of the Lambs and any other movie which graphically and gratuitously depicts horrifyingly violent scenes that sear themselves into one's brain and can never be erased. Anyone who creates something like that should be relegated to the lowest rung in hell for corrupting minds and planting seeds of destruction. What's odd is that Pulp Fiction could be a really enjoyable movie if all the gory scenes and stupid violence were eliminated. And by stupid I refer to, for example, the scene where the guy in the front seat of the car accidentally shoots the guy in the back. (I only saw it once, so I don't remember who the actors or characters were)
29 posted on 09/02/2010 5:55:09 PM PDT by giotto
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To: wardaddy
Reservoir Dogs was the one & only Tarantino movie I could stomach.

The rest are disjointed 'gore fests' as you put it. I have no idea why the guy is so popular.

30 posted on 09/02/2010 6:01:16 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: skeeter

Forgot about Jackie Brown. That was a decent movie as well - early Tarantino.


31 posted on 09/02/2010 6:04:49 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: skeeter

I liked the actors in Dogs...


32 posted on 09/02/2010 10:51:49 PM PDT by wardaddy (effed up times..)
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To: skeeter

Interesting... Reservoir Dogs has so far been the only Tarantino movie I didn’t like. Too much violence for the sake of violence. Plenty of violence in his other ones, but there’s at least a reason behind it.


33 posted on 09/03/2010 6:07:50 AM PDT by green iguana
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To: truthguy

Pulp Fiction and Kill Bill are like all of Tarantinos movies, they’re homages to low budget 70s movies. Pulp Fiction is a deconstruction of 70s crime noir, and a cheap excuse to get Harvey Keitel in front of a camera again, with tons of character analysis of the types of characters that don’t usually get analyzed in the movies, it’s a film constructed entirely of secondary and tertiary characters.

Kill Bill is basically every “great” 70s Hong Kong kung fu movie. Kill Bill advances beyond mere homage to full fledged replication, entire fight sequences are lifted cut for cut and move for move. Heck he even stuck in the logo of one of the companies that made a bunch of the movies he’s tributing.

Tarantino is in many ways the ultimate example of a director who makes movies he wants to watch, as opposed to movies for the masses. He’s a huge fan of grindhouse/ low budget/ non-art imports of the 60s and 70s and his movies are built around those. The style, the props, the actors, all of it is grist for his resurrection mill. If you like those movies you’ll probably like his movies, if your video library has no Spaghetti Westerns, Hong Kong kung fu, or blaxploitation you probably won’t.


34 posted on 09/03/2010 9:35:43 AM PDT by discostu (Keyser Soze lives)
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To: giotto

Pulp Fiction isn’t nearly as violent as its legend. Only 8 people die in the whole movie and 3 of them are off camera (though one of the off camera guys squibs all over the back of a car). What makes it seem violent is the matter of fact way the characters deal with it, the people in the movie are violent as a way of life and unflinching when it happens, and the violence that occurs on screen is done with the same matter of fact mentality. But it has a lower body count than any well respected mob movie.

Silence of the Lambs isn’t violent either, there’s a lot of dead bodies and some strong suggestions when Lecter escapes, but the actual violence happens off screen or in the dark. Again it’s the attitude of the characters, especially Lecter, that causes things to seem more violent, a lot of stuff is suggested to the viewer which causes people to imagine a lot of things but none of them actually occur.

Both these movies are fine examples of what I call “head in the box syndrome”. That names comes from the movie Seven, which ends with a package being delivered to one of the heroes and in that package is the head of his pregnant wife whom he didn’t know was dead or in any danger. In discussing the film the director talks about receiving many letter from people (and even reading a review of the movie) complaining about him showing the head in the box, they all thought it was too graphic and completely unnecessary. The punchline is they never show the head in the box, they just constructed the scene such that by the time the contents of the box are revealed through dialog the viewer can’t help but envision it. So when people say that scene is too graphic they’re really telling about their own imagination, what’s actually shown is completely innocuous, all the horror happens in your head.


35 posted on 09/03/2010 10:42:57 AM PDT by discostu (Keyser Soze lives)
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To: VU4G10

Well it’s a great fun movie. Before the title plate has even appeared Machete has hacked up 12 drug lord henchmen and a hot chick has appeared naked for no good reason. All the bad guy characters are tied to the drug lord, they only want to “close” the border (except for certain pre-designed weak spots) to keep the drug lord’s competition out and drive up prices. The body count is higher than the entire run of Miami Vice. It’s pure grindhouse, lots of fun, and the audience was almost all white.

People really shouldn’t panic so much. Sometimes a low budget movie is just a low budget movie.


36 posted on 09/04/2010 2:41:53 PM PDT by discostu (Keyser Soze lives)
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