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Open letter to conservatives who back same-sex marriage
WND ^ | September 6, 2010 | David Kupelain

Posted on 09/06/2010 9:57:15 AM PDT by LonelyCon

Just two years ago, supporting homosexual marriage was such an extreme, politically radioactive position that Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton – both Alinskyite progressives and long-time gay-rights supporters – saw fit to publicly and repeatedly declare their opposition to same-sex marriage.

Today, as the homosexual newspaper the Washington Blade puts it, "conservatives have taken the leadership role in achieving marriage equality."

That's right. Not only have high-profile conservatives like Glenn Beck, "The View's" Elizabeth Hasselbeck, Laura Bush, Dick Cheney and many others publicly offered their ringing endorsement of men marrying men and women marrying women, but some on the right are, as the Blade reports, actually leading the charge.

Case in point: George W. Bush's solicitor general Ted Olson has been dedicating his time as one of the two lead attorneys who successfully challenged California's Proposition 8, which had enshrined in the state's constitution the fact that, as Hillary Clinton put it, "marriage is as a marriage always has been, between a man and a woman."

Indeed, proclaims the Blade, when it comes to the battle to legalize same-sex marriage, it is conservatives who "have achieved the most important success so far as they are the most willing and most able to take the case to the Supreme Court."

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And S.E. Cupp, a young conservative Daily Caller columnist and frequent Fox pundit, goes so far as to say, "Conservatism and gay rights are actually natural allies. Conservatism rightly seeks to keep the government out of our private lives, and when you strip away the politics of pop culture, it's this assertion of privacy and freedom that the gay rights movement is essentially making."

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KEYWORDS: conservatives; homosexualagenda; marriage
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To: whence911
Reddy says hello (and he has a special gift for you)!

Reddy would have the homosexuals just mind their own business, not going around changing the definitions of words to suit what they wish them to be. He is in agreement with the rest of the country (not just FR), everywhere they have been asked.

241 posted on 09/06/2010 7:30:42 PM PDT by Clinging Bitterly (We need to limit political office holders to two terms. One in office, and one in prison.)
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To: DJ MacWoW; Darksheare; humblegunner
Yes and you’re a brat for starting it. I HATE that song. And the ones you hate always stick and reverberate!

Slayer (or was it Slaughter) did a cover that wasn't too bad.

242 posted on 09/06/2010 7:59:42 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear (Does not play well with others)
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To: EternalVigilance
You may be eternally vigilant but you appear to be eternally confused as well. That you would reference these Amendments in this context is nothing short of insipid.

Do you really not understand the difference between explicit constraints on state action - which is what the 5th and 14th Amendment provide - and an affirmative obligation on states to do a particular thing? Really? If so, that you may really want to check this out:

Logic For Dummies

Hank

243 posted on 09/06/2010 8:02:19 PM PDT by County Agent Hank Kimball (Where's the diversity on MSNBC? Olbermann, Schultz, Matthews, Maddow.....all white males!)
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To: EternalVigilance
You may be eternally vigilant but you appear to be eternally confused as well. That you would reference these Amendments in this context is nothing short of insipid.

Do you really not understand the difference between explicit constraints on state action - which is what the 5th and 14th Amendment provide - and an affirmative obligation on states to do a particular thing? Really? If so, then you may really want to check this out:

Logic For Dummies

Hank

244 posted on 09/06/2010 8:02:45 PM PDT by County Agent Hank Kimball (Where's the diversity on MSNBC? Olbermann, Schultz, Matthews, Maddow.....all white males!)
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To: Grizzled Bear

The song was about her affair with Warren Beatty. Like anyone needed all that info!


245 posted on 09/06/2010 8:04:00 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: Grizzled Bear

PS. Blech! LOL


246 posted on 09/06/2010 8:05:00 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: TheOldLady

Wow, that’s scarey! I never want to get zotted if that’s what happens!


247 posted on 09/06/2010 8:55:07 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.)
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To: Tex-Con-Man

That’s him, Robert Spitzer.

Thanks.


248 posted on 09/06/2010 8:58:06 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.)
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To: County Agent Hank Kimball

It’s obvious that you’ve drunk the Ron Paul kool-aid, and have no conception of what natural, God-given, unalienable rights are.


249 posted on 09/06/2010 9:11:50 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (With God, Obama can't hurt us. Without God, George Washington couldn't save us.)
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To: County Agent Hank Kimball
and an affirmative obligation on states to do a particular thing

All officers of government, at every level, in every branch, have the affirmative IMPERATIVE obligation to protect the lives of ALL innocent persons. It's their first and most important sworn duty.

And the Fourteenth Amendment makes it clear that the States have the affirmative obligation to provide for the equal protection of the laws for EVERY person.

No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

But, since you're on a roll with this patent nonsense, I take it you apply the same "logic" to all unalienable rights, right? Not just the supreme right, the right to live?

If States want to, they can, under your rubric, deny the rights to free speech, freedom of the press, assembly, petition, the right to keep and bear arms, trial by a jury of your peers, parental rights, freedom of political association, etc. Right?

250 posted on 09/06/2010 9:19:16 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (With God, Obama can't hurt us. Without God, George Washington couldn't save us.)
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To: EternalVigilance
I have a very firm understanding of the Constitution and of the system our Founding Fathers intended to give us. Ron Paul and the rest are all irrelevant.

Founders Red Pill

Hank

251 posted on 09/06/2010 9:20:23 PM PDT by County Agent Hank Kimball (Where's the diversity on MSNBC? Olbermann, Schultz, Matthews, Maddow.....all white males!)
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To: County Agent Hank Kimball

So, which other of our unalienable rights do you think the States can alienate, other than the right to live?


252 posted on 09/06/2010 9:24:38 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (With God, Obama can't hurt us. Without God, George Washington couldn't save us.)
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To: EternalVigilance
"All officers of government, at every level, in every branch, have the affirmative IMPERATIVE obligation to protect the lives of ALL innocent persons. It's their first and most important sworn duty."

I agree. So I vote for representatives who I believe hold those same values. That doesn't make those values Constitutional obligations under the U.S. Constitution.

"And the Fourteenth Amendment makes it clear that the States have the affirmative obligation to provide for the equal protection of the laws for EVERY person."

"No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

So is it your contention that the words "No state shall make or enforce any law which..." means precisely the same thing as "States SHALL make laws which ensure that individuals do NOT...?"

This isn't difficult. It's simple logic. Asserting that states may not do a thing is simply NOT asserting that states must ensure that private entities do not do that same thing.

"But, since you're on a roll with this patent nonsense, I take it you apply the same "logic" to all unalienable rights, right? Not just the supreme right, the right to live?

Don't be emotional. Leave that for the lefties. This isn't about anything but grammatical construction. The words mean what they say, and nothing more - however much you or I may wish them to.

"If States want to, they can, under your rubric, deny the rights to free speech, freedom of the press, assembly, petition, the right to keep and bear arms, trial by a jury of your peers, parental rights, freedom of political association, etc. Right?"

Correct with respect to to all but RKBA, which is a right explicity extended to "the people" by the 2nd Amendment, and the right to a jury trial which is explicitly extended to all citizens by the 6th and 7th Amendments.

I interpret the words in the 1st Amendment that read "Congress shall make no law" to mean, roughly, "Congress shall make no law."

But, hey, that's just me.

Hank

253 posted on 09/06/2010 10:08:09 PM PDT by County Agent Hank Kimball (Where's the diversity on MSNBC? Olbermann, Schultz, Matthews, Maddow.....all white males!)
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To: whence911
We lost a lot of discussion when that happened.

Nope, but you did. ZOT!!


254 posted on 09/07/2010 5:13:19 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (Remember in November. Clean the house on Nov. 2. / Progressive is a PC word for liberal democrat.)
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To: County Agent Hank Kimball

You talk like the right to keep and bear arms and the right to a jury trial is a gift of government, granted by the Constitution. Nothing could be further from the truth.

If your rights were “extended” to you by men, surely men can withdraw them.

Just like you’re contending states can do with most of our rights, including the supreme right, the right to life.

Your views rob the Constitution of all real meaning, gutting it as you do of any true conception of individual, God-given, unalienable, rights, or of any real purpose behind the oath of office.


255 posted on 09/07/2010 5:49:17 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (With God, Obama can't hurt us. Without God, George Washington couldn't save us.)
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To: Old Sarge; little jeremiah

Look again. That isn’t a pentagram.


256 posted on 09/07/2010 6:47:36 AM PDT by TheOldLady (Pablo is very wily.)
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To: whence911

Exactly.


257 posted on 09/07/2010 7:12:19 AM PDT by cammie
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To: tjd1454

They are actually my friends. I work in theatre, and hence have many, many close friends who are gay and therefore I don’t choose to engage in the militant homophobia that often raises its ugly head on this site, as I am pretty sure I have more close gay friends than nearly anyone else around these parts.


258 posted on 09/07/2010 7:15:18 AM PDT by cammie
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To: little jeremiah

I’ve had longevity on FR, if you had bothered to look at how long I’ve been around. It’s a shame that open debate is no longer encouraged. I’m sure I’m in for the zot, but it’s a sad, sad state of affairs when conservatives march in lockstep.


259 posted on 09/07/2010 7:17:52 AM PDT by cammie
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To: cammie

Longevity? Who cares.

Open debate no longer allowed on FR? I signed up in 2002 to read the news and to fight the homosexual agenda. I’ve been fighting it on FR almost nonstop for 8 years. I’ve seen so many people banned for pushing the militant homosexual agenda you don’t have enough fingers, toes or teeth to count ‘em by!

FR has never, ever been a site that allows promotion of the militant, radical leftist homosexual agenda.


260 posted on 09/07/2010 7:26:42 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.)
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